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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    Simple. Because expectations.
    Yeah you're right. God forbid people expect Blizzard to put in effort into a product.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Try again tomorrow. Your posts today were a bit lacking, resorting to wilful ignorance to have an "argument".

    N'Zoth is more powerful than the C'thun and Yogg-Saron we faced and anyone who claims otherwise is a painfully ignorant lorelet. Goodnight.
    Doesn't matter, canonically the weakest.

    He was the weakest yesterday, he's gonna be the weakest tomorrow, and he's the weakest now.

    Weakest old god.

    (that's why xal'atath said it was ironic)

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Koniwej View Post
    Doesn't matter, canonically the weakest.

    He was the weakest yesterday, he's gonna be the weakest tomorrow, and he's the weakest now.

    Weakest old god.

    (that's why xal'atath said it was ironic)
    Weren't you off to bed? You're not going to fare any better just because you're repeating yourself. It's not believable.

    Also canonically the strongest Old God we faced.

  4. #184
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    N'zoth may have been the weakest however; he was the only truly released old god. Even if he was considerably weaker then the other 3 in his fully released form/power he should dwarf that of the others we killed whilst still in their cages the most part.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Weren't you off to bed? You're not going to fare any better just because you're repeating yourself. It's not believable.

    Also canonically the strongest Old God we faced.
    nope, he's canonically the weakest
    he's canonically the only free old god we've faced.

    You tried but you're still too retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivex View Post
    N'zoth may have been the weakest however; he was the only truly released old god. Even if he was considerably weaker then the other 3 in his fully released form/power he should dwarf that of the others we killed whilst still in their cages the most part.
    The strength of the old gods is in no way related to what we as the player face, but don't tell the retard up there that.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Koniwej View Post
    nope, he's canonically the weakest
    he's canonically the only free old god we've faced.

    You tried but you're still too retarded.
    Canonically the strongest we faced and those are the facts. Get mad at them if you like.

    Bye now. Up your tactics if you plan to return tomorrow.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Canonically the strongest we faced and those are the facts. Get mad at them if you like.

    Bye now. Up your tactics if you plan to return tomorrow.
    Do you have in-game or blue post literature backing up your statement?
    No? Okay.

    So anyway N'zoth is the weakest old god.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharill View Post
    Yeah you're right. God forbid people expect Blizzard to put in effort into a product.
    I didn't say it was bad expectations. The ending fit the story, but they did a poor job on it.

    Bad expectations would be tinkers and necromancers.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    I didn't say it was bad expectations. The ending fit the story, but they did a poor job on it.

    Bad expectations would be tinkers and necromancers.
    I once thought Demon Hunters would be too close/share too much with Warlocks.

    Much as I feel Necromancers are too close to Death Knights, I can't wholly exclude them anymore. That said, I dunno when they would fit in if not Shadowlands.

  10. #190
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    Some ppl dislike the story and lore, not gonna argue with them...pointless. Everyone has their own ideas, they will differe from the next guy and the next guy...but they all will shout that Blizzard ruined it.

    Then again, I am sure if Tolkien would bring out a book about Middle Earth today...ppl would claim he totally retconned or ruined something something something.

    Yeah..I am over doing it deliberately to annoy you guys here, so don't bother.

    Then there are the ones (and I am one of them) who found the final cinematics underwhelming.

    At the end of the day, for some reason we were fine with the "Whoops...Old god as middle raid in Ulduar - nvm, dead...on to the Lich King", but hate what was done with it today.

    Yeah..maybe a full Black Empire with Nerubian raid and then Old god would have been more coherent and exciting. Sounds good on paper at least...personally I think the lesson is, don't let us fight overpowered shit like Titans and Old gods, because now we are at a powerlevel where any new threat gets more and more ridiculous. Now off to another plane of existence...then what? Greater Elder Beings? Voild Lords.

    It is why I abandoned the Marvel universe. In my time Galactus was pretty powerful (and even then I liked the normal world of Spiderman more than FF or Avengers)...now there is all THIS???? https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za...rvel-universe/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vynestra View Post
    Yes there was A LOT of build up, and yes we did win with a meme beam in the end. But we were never going to lose, unfortunately. N'zoth did take control of us before the heart broke us out, he did "win". There are only a few bosses who have ever won, the lich king killed us, argus killed us, queen azshara free'd n'zoth despite losing, and n'zoth took over our minds but azeroth saved us.

    Sure, it wasn't the ending a lot of us wanted, and maybe it felt rushed, but this was a storyline building since EN - Is that really rushed?

    Truly, what did we expect? lol

    Yeah, I have no clue what people expected tbh.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by october breeze View Post
    which turned out to be MOP 2!
    Except for if it was MoP2 it would be the best expansion, as MoP was

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Runstarr View Post
    Yeah, I have no clue what people expected tbh.
    Prolly more than 20 secs of an ending cutscene that is a Lord of the Rings "homage" to end the threat of an unleashed Old God and close the expansion off.

    I know it's kind of an extreme expectation, but I believe it can be done!

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Runstarr View Post
    Yeah, I have no clue what people expected tbh.
    Legs.
    N'zoth was supposed to stand up and fight us, or something, who knows.

    Like, do people even remember when n'zoth invaded the heart when you got CoA revered a year+ ago? Or the dozens of cultists? Or BFD (which changed like 3-4 times but was super low-key about it) Or the zone of vashj'ir where there's old god shit all over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Prolly more than 20 secs of an ending cutscene that is a Lord of the Rings "homage" to end the threat of an unleashed Old God and close the expansion off.

    I know it's kind of an extreme expectation, but I believe it can be done!
    Yeah but you're retarded and
    I once thought Demon Hunters would be too close/share too much with Warlocks.
    Gul'dan = Illidan, apparently.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Runstarr View Post
    Yeah, I have no clue what people expected tbh.
    For Blizzard to maybe put some effort into this shitshow of a final patch?

    Nah just release patch, throw out a 6 month mount yet again nobody asked for to keep people the hook and add a shittier RNG system than Titanforging to the game.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Still waiting for the magical mythic only-phase cinematic I see, eh?
    I don't think it's so much that. It's that you leave him at 2.5% health (this is the trigger point) and then cinematic hits. You fire a beam and then it appears everything is shattering. Though there has to be a reason you leave him at 2.5% rather than dropping his health to 0.0% and it isn't to fire a beam. It's possible that he's still alive and what we saw in the cinematic was a vision to save himself. Not to mention old gods have "died" before in fights and still lived as they heal. The only one truly dead was Y'Shaarj and even then his heart was sealed so he couldn't regenerate which Garrosh fully drained. None of the old gods have had anything close to that and are lying and regenerating. N'zoth is likely in the same shape. All we see is light coming out of him, but nothing indicating he was eradicated instead just a bright white light and the Ny'alotha falling to pieces which could be a vision or real. No one knows for sure.

    So it's not that people are holding out hope, it's just the cinematic is so ambiguous that it could mean a ton of things to be explored later on. I think I recall reading too that some mention the whispers haven't stopped either.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    I don't think it's so much that. It's that you leave him at 2.5% health (this is the trigger point) and then cinematic hits. You fire a beam and then it appears everything is shattering. Though there has to be a reason you leave him at 2.5% rather than dropping his health to 0.0% and it isn't to fire a beam. It's possible that he's still alive and what we saw in the cinematic was a vision to save himself. Not to mention old gods have "died" before in fights and still lived as they heal. The only one truly dead was Y'Shaarj and even then his heart was sealed so he couldn't regenerate which Garrosh fully drained. None of the old gods have had anything close to that and are lying and regenerating. N'zoth is likely in the same shape. All we see is light coming out of him, but nothing indicating he was eradicated instead just a bright white light and the Ny'alotha falling to pieces which could be a vision or real. No one knows for sure.

    So it's not that people are holding out hope, it's just the cinematic is so ambiguous that it could mean a ton of things to be explored later on. I think I recall reading too that some mention the whispers haven't stopped either.
    N'Zoth playing and pretending to lose is the only way Blizzard can remotely mend it.

    But anyway, while you're right that C'thun and Yogg-Saron are heavily implied to (wink wink) still be able to return, Blizzard has also said it's best to functionally consider them dead since they have no plans for them in the near future. So while we'll have to see, I doubt N'zoth will return.

  18. #198
    Sargeras is a good guy now you watch he will see how we defeat threat after threat hey guys can i join your club?

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    N'Zoth playing and pretending to lose is the only way Blizzard can remotely mend it.

    But anyway, while you're right that C'thun and Yogg-Saron are heavily implied to (wink wink) still be able to return, Blizzard has also said it's best to functionally consider them dead since they have no plans for them in the near future. So while we'll have to see, I doubt N'zoth will return.
    Yeah, according to the lore and everything they are alive just "dormant" I guess you could say? Posing no real threats at the current moment. I think their stance on it for now just says "You won't be seeing them any time soon" which means they can make a return at any point as the story progresses. Like right now it doesn't make much sense for any of them to return as the story is now. Now if they do something like say we spent X amount of years in Shadowlands (where to us it only feels like a few months or something) they could bring them back stating their power has been restored and/or Void Lords are coming which resurged their power.

    Basically, I think it's just a way to leave things open-ended without saying "They are 100% dead and you will never ever see them again". Just nothing in the current foreseeable future (ie Shadowlands). Granted they could know they want them in the expansion after, but don't want to say anything yet until Shadowland story progresses.

  20. #200
    Because it was lame.
    Ugly, unimpactfull and without emotion.
    That was rushed.

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