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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    The Scourge is obviously stalinist. You've heard it here first.
    I'd say post-SL it's likely just not going to be a factor anymore. Though i don't think you can really attribute any real world political system to a group that is essentially under the direct mental control of its leader with no intermediaries needed.

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    Umbric is a commie pig.

    Democracy is boring, so it doesn’t exist.

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    No faction has a congress or a parliament so you are looking at some pretty stark governments where the people have little to no voice and no representative to make pleas to.

    The closest thing to democracy might have been the old Draenei government on Draenor. It was ruled by a Council of Exarchs who voted on issues. The council was comprised of leaders of different groups of Draenei. What is unknown is how the leaders on the Council were selected. Perhaps they got voted in? I have no idea.

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    Though the draenei rely on the Prophet Velen's leadership and guidance, the administration of the Exiled Ones' society on Draenor was run by the Council of Exarchs. This body, called the "Hand of the Prophet", was formed by the heads of various fields of draenei society and they voted on bureaucratic matters. The Exarch Council consisted of:

    Sha'tari Proconsul, representing Shattrath City
    Rangari Prime, representing the rangari
    Chief Artificer, representing the artificers
    High Vindicator, representing the vindicators
    Speaker for the Dead, representing the Auchenai

    Following the destruction of Draenor and collapse of draenei society, the Exarch Council appears to have become obsolete. The Triumvirate of the Hand may be some form of replacement for it to at least some extent.

    The draenei of Shadowmoon Valley were also ruled by prelate administrators.
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  4. #44
    Kel'thuzad tried to Dell the Scourge as, essentially, communist Utopia to the population of Lordaeron. It's pretty on the nose actually. You can read about it on one of the books laying around Acherus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    Well it's certainly top down ruled, but isn't everyone equal in death?
    As the saying goes, everyone is equal in death, but some are more equal than others.

    As far as government forms are concerned, in the Alliance there is a fair mix of monarchical governments (SW and Gilnean humans, dwarves), theocracies (NE and Draenei), traditional feudalism (KT) and a quite restricted form of republic (gnomes), akin to the Italian city-states of the Middle Ages - at least until BfA, when Mekkatorque becomes king.

    Horde-wise, you have tribalism (DS trolls, Tauren, Orcs), dictatorship (Forsaken, at least until BfA), traditional monarchy (BEs, Z-trolls), and a budding mageocracy (NB). Vulpera are an odd case, they appear to have a truly democratic government - to an extent.

    Finally, pandas appear to have embraced a truly communist/anarchist statu quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsara View Post
    Finally the factions themselves:
    Alliance: Union of states that submit to a single ruler with absolute power.
    Horde: Union of sovereign states with a single representative/voice.
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Kel'thuzad tried to Dell the Scourge as, essentially, communist Utopia to the population of Lordaeron. It's pretty on the nose actually. You can read about it on one of the books laying around Acherus.
    Which once again proves that death and communism love holding hands.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
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    Except @Samsara got it right. The High King doesn't have unlimited power. They have power only over military matters and even then it's over the troops the member states decided to spare for joint operations. Meanwhile the Horde is an absolute dictatorship.
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    a quite restricted form of republic (gnomes), akin to the Italian city-states of the Middle Ages - at least until BfA, when Mekkatorque becomes king.
    We'll have to see how that goes. For the moment, he's king in name only since there hasn't been any time for any real changes to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    I guess that's possible when you don't really have any bad people among the pandaren - other than the Jade Witch, I can't think of any pandaren who were evil and in control of their actions
    The Jade Witch always struck me as more insane than actively evil, though you're right in that she's probably the worst Pandaren not actively in thrall to something else. The Sha probably made short work of any Pandaren that might've actually been malevolent, at least prior to their recent collective defeat.
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    You fixed something objectively correct to something objectively incorrect? Weird
    From how it was structured around WC3-early WoW to how it's structured in BFA, with the Horde Council and High King Anduin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    You realise Anduin can't just tell Night Elves for example what to do? I can't believe people still don't understand what a High King actually does
    He's a good hearted person who always pursues diplomacy and reason over force when it comes to getting people to follow him but he still seems to be the highest authority in the Alliance.

    What does a "high king" do? It's not like Blizzard have ever put it into writing. We can only go off their actions. Yes there's tensions against that authority, but if Shandris' dialogue is any indication he could make the call to kick them out of the Alliance, or at least out of Stormwind, where their refugees are living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    What does a "high king" do? It's not like Blizzard have ever put it into writing. We can only go off their actions.
    Except for the part where they did exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Well, he is the King of Stormwind, he can probably do that. But, as for being High King - he can't take direct control of any other Alliance race than Humans, of which he is King of. The High King of the Alliance doesn't have to be the King of Stormwind, it's just been that way so far. Anduin could ask Tyrande to attack Orgimmar for example, and she could say no.
    Just Stormwindians, he doesn't have any actual authority over Stromics nor Gilneans nor Lordaeron humans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    He's a good hearted person who always pursues diplomacy and reason over force when it comes to getting people to follow him but he still seems to be the highest authority in the Alliance.

    What does a "high king" do? It's not like Blizzard have ever put it into writing. We can only go off their actions. Yes there's tensions against that authority, but if Shandris' dialogue is any indication he could make the call to kick them out of the Alliance, or at least out of Stormwind, where their refugees are living.
    Functionally, the High King is analogous to the Supreme Commander position Anduin Lothar and Turalyon filled in the Second War and the expedition to Draenor. The member nations of the Alliance can contribute forces to the High King's command, but can withdraw that support at any time, as we saw Tyrande do in the lead-up to assaulting Darkshore. Anduin has no authority to require she allocate troops to the Alliance's forces, and Shandris's faction are a breakaway faction who believe in the Alliance (as opposed to Tyrande's... loyalists, I suppose? who are currently fixated on vengeance) and looking to rebuild as best they can.

    Anduin can ban people from Stormwind, but he has no authority to kick people out of the Alliance. It's been shown on several occasions that inducting a faction into the Alliance is something the leadership forms a council on and agrees to, unless a given nation is willing to support the other faction entirely on their own (as Stormwind apparently is for the void elves and Tushui pandaren). It stands to reason that booting someone out of the Alliance would similarly require Alliance leadership to convene and make the decision collectively.

    Most of Anduin's de-facto power comes from his penchant for interpersonal relationships and the resulting loyalty. Tyrande, Velen, Genn, Jaina, and the others give him, and Varian before him, a lot more leeway than the High King title explicitly provides because they like and respect him, but as Tyrande showed, personal loyalty has its limits and when that limit is hit, he has no power to force her to comply (instead, he had to delay the attack on Dazar'Alor and send adventurers to get the battle at Darkshore over ASAP so he could keep the night elves' support).
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