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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuba View Post
    This is absolutely no mage tower, not even close. You hear people saying "I like horrific visions" and its nice, but its like saying "I like drustvar" or "I like nazjatar", it looks cool, but after 3 weeks on it you feel utterly bored and just want to move on.
    You're right about that at least. I laughed when Ion said that Horrific Visions are BFA's Mage Tower. The only similarity is that they are both soloable scenarios.

    Visions are way more similar to Suramar withered training, except they're set in rehashed zones with rehashed mobs, and instead of looting objects to upgrade your troops you do all of the work yourself and just upgrade your stat stick cloak. Even the mask cosmetic rewards are just the green cloth Kul Tiras helmet without the hat. They're a joke.

    This is expected though considering 8.3 hasn't had much effort put into it. They spent way too long designing patch features like corruption and the visions themselves, both of which won't matter whatsoever come 9.0. Their effort was spread too thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuba View Post
    but let's take a quick look at it:
    -Reused scenario
    -You 5-chest it once, get a mask to "make it harder"
    -Absolutely no new mechanics or different things, only things to "make it harder"
    -You farm stuff through the months to "make the "harder" as easy as the easy is right now"

    This is absolutely no mage tower, not even close. You hear people saying "I like horrific visions" and its nice, but its like saying "I like drustvar" or "I like nazjatar", it looks cool, but after 3 weeks on it you feel utterly bored and just want to move on.

    I mean lets face it: its literally doing the same thing, over and over again for months.
    same scenario, same bosses, nothing new, nothing different, nothing extra, every single skin and model used are reuses, there is no challenge after you do it the first time besides "farm more stuff to make harder mode as easy as easy mode is right now"

    like.... this is too Diablo
    well, some legit thoughts on gameplay, i guess?

    But from an immersive pov, i think this whole horrific vision tale, could be very interesting - lore wise that is - I mean you enter a chamber like in some science ficition movie like a portal to another weird dimension to fight some lovecraft aliens corrupting azeroth. I find that pretty hilarious to do in a game like wow.

    It can be either pure genius or total crap. The gameplay part i do not mind as much, i think its kinda gated and thus it sucks for me, i do not like much gated gameplay and its gated by many systems not just your cloak and the memento research. As with masks the hp scales too, you need to deal dmg quicker and more burstier to cut through the mobs so you better have farmed all those echoin voids and infinite stars corruption on gear and have a rather high ilvl.

    This mechanic kinda sucks for alts, and i allready mentioned it before in other threads on mmo, BfA is the most alt unfriendly expansion up to date, there are too many systems like that, that hold you back, like so you cleared horrofic vision with 3-5 masks with your main? congrats, try to do this with your alt any time soon...

    Another system, where you need months to clear it with your alt for best results.

    Legion had far better catch up mechanics to do those mage towers for alts.(in 7.3.)

    But, lore wise i find them interesting, but i doubt blizz use visions to expand in their lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Damn, I'm starting to feel like I've seen every thread on this site somewhere before.
    Person A: [insert feature] I don't like this feature.
    Person B: [insert reductionist take about why the feature is the same as every other feature].
    Person C: [insert some reasonable criticism].
    Person D: [insert "if you don't like [feature] why don't you just unsub?" gotcha].
    You conveniently missed the part where "Person A" literally calls [insert feature] the worst thing ever made in WoW. With a hyperbole of this magnitude, you can't really expect reasonable discussion.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    The cloak upgrades tied to horrific visions is the dumbest decision Blizzard made in this patch.

    I'm an altoholic, I have 7 characters that I currently play, all in the 460-470 gear range with 76+ necks.

    I need to run 21 horrific visions this week just to upgrade the cloaks. *vomit*
    which yo can do (with that ilvl) in like 30m per character... oh the horror...
    if you actively use profesions you surely spend more time farming mats, and thats hardly interesing play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuba View Post

    This entire patch is less effort than mechagon alone
    Well, its raid has 12 bosses....so thats where ALL patch resources did go, could have been much worser, if you remember cataclysm there was nothing, but a boring raid and trivial dungeons added to it in its final patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    You conveniently missed the part where "Person A" literally calls [insert feature] the worst thing ever made in WoW. With a hyperbole of this magnitude, you can't really expect reasonable discussion.
    I mean, something has to be "the worst thing". Is it impossible that he truly thinks that Horrific Visions are "the lamest design" (when compared to features with similar scope/work put into them)? If not, then it's still a valid point of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    which yo can do (with that ilvl) in like 30m per character... oh the horror...
    It is horror, because the visions are boring and repetitive as fuck. And you still need to pay attention and can't just left hand it.

    if you actively use profesions you surely spend more time farming mats, and thats hardly interesing play...
    Well I do not. I haven't farmed any mats for like 10 years.
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    they could have some something with it, but they ultimately did not. Cloak level could be account-wide and there could be a zone that would require you to have the cloak to do dailies or story content (like even nyalotha itself could have been a zone with a raid in it) and the higher your cloak the more you progress through the story or something.
    instead they did nothing, just added a few mobs to an already existing map, painted it purple and added difficulty levels that do nothing but reduce your power/increase mobs power while giving you options to "regain"(?) that power lost back with months-long grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuba View Post
    they could have some something with it, but they ultimately did not.
    But they did do something. You just don't like the something they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    But they did do something. You just don't like the something they did.
    So perfectly and succinctly said.

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    I don't care about them because I main healer but it does make me worried for the "endless scaling up" tower of Shadowlands. I hope it's better and has more visual variation.

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    The thing that pisses me off the most is how easy it is for melee compared to my poor shadowpriest.
    Hell I managed to full clear on both my melee,(shaman/unholy dk) a week before I cleared on my priest.
    Alittle more variety in it coulda worked too, instead of just doing a full week of either org/sw, have it be random and maybe add afew more areas like..... the sunwell area, smouldering tree place, zuld,boralus

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuba View Post
    but let's take a quick look at it:
    -Reused scenario
    -You 5-chest it once, get a mask to "make it harder"
    -Absolutely no new mechanics or different things, only things to "make it harder"
    Sorry, bro, but you completely destroyed your credibility right here. If you think getting the masks doesn't add new mechanics or different things then you're simply ignorant of what the masks do, and nothing you say past this can be trusted.
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    It is horror, because the visions are boring and repetitive as fuck. And you still need to pay attention and can't just left hand it.


    Well I do not. I haven't farmed any mats for like 10 years.
    then you must spend a fortune on consumables... so farming gold wow (and pretty much every mmorpg) is based on repetitive activities... you should notice in those 10+ years you play...

    and sry, but if you are 460+ ilvl and you need to pay extra attention to do those 2 easier zones to get the q items, you must be horrible player...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    then you must spend a fortune on consumables... so farming gold wow (and pretty much every mmorpg) is based on repetitive activities... you should notice in those 10+ years you play...
    Spending a fortune on consumables....... lol? I don't farm anything, I don't play AH, always have consumables for raids and high m+, all gear enchanted etc. Sitting at 3 million gold. I don't know what you are doing wrong.

    and sry, but if you are 460+ ilvl and you need to pay extra attention to do those 2 easier zones to get the q items, you must be horrible player...
    Oh you are one of those... have a nice day.
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