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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Nflpa will deny it. The league deal would cap salaries for the 17th game at 250000. So if you make over 4.5 mil you take a pay cut for that last regular season game.
    lmao no way that gets passed. The fuck does the NFL think its doing?

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    yeah cant wait til that backfires when it causes Mahomes or brady or another star player to be injured before the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    lmao no way that gets passed. The fuck does the NFL think its doing?
    My guess is the owners hope the players rush to sign to avoid any potential stoppage. But it's so overtly lopsided I doubt it's approved.

    Mire likely they are basically saying "here's our extremest demands now let's negotiate down from there until the players agree."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    My guess is the owners hope the players rush to sign to avoid any potential stoppage. But it's so overtly lopsided I doubt it's approved.

    Mire likely they are basically saying "here's our extremest demands now let's negotiate down from there until the players agree."
    I think you might be unaware of what's going on, btu this WAS negotiated and the senior council for the NFLPA already approved this and than got the opinions on a wider group of player reps and they ALSO approved and now they are bringing it to everybody.

    This is basically already a 90% done deal unless the total of the player base rejects it, which would mean that the NFLPA council is in deep shit. It would likely mean that the to of the NFLPA will resign and get replaced by a new team and that new negotiations will have to start, meaning no CBA in the near future, most likely not till MAYBE next off season.

    This is do or die for the NFLPA now, they have every reason to get this through the players votes too now, which is why I think it's 90% done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    I think you might be unaware of what's going on, btu this WAS negotiated and the senior council for the NFLPA already approved this and than got the opinions on a wider group of player reps and they ALSO approved and now they are bringing it to everybody.

    This is basically already a 90% done deal unless the total of the player base rejects it, which would mean that the NFLPA council is in deep shit. It would likely mean that the to of the NFLPA will resign and get replaced by a new team and that new negotiations will have to start, meaning no CBA in the near future, most likely not till MAYBE next off season.

    This is do or die for the NFLPA now, they have every reason to get this through the players votes too now, which is why I think it's 90% done.
    Then I've heard wrong. I heard this still had to go through the nflpa executive committee yet before the players at large voted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    yeah cant wait til that backfires when it causes Mahomes or brady or another star player to be injured before the playoffs.
    I'd bet that we'd end up with more teams that are secure and in the playoffs sitting players instead of them playing the whole 17th game. Maybe we need more players suited up per game. Up it from 53 to 57 or 59. Unless not playing costs the player some money.

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    They'd have to triple the international games but the league would love that.
    Ugh. I already hate the London games as they are so early on Sunday morning.


    Maybe they should just expand the league somehow. More teams = more games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    My guess is the owners hope the players rush to sign to avoid any potential stoppage. But it's so overtly lopsided I doubt it's approved.

    Mire likely they are basically saying "here's our extremest demands now let's negotiate down from there until the players agree."
    Probably. They gonna come out in a month and be like "look we compromised"

    Kinda sounds like the NFLPA doesn't want to do much unless theres lifetime health coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    I'd bet that we'd end up with more teams that are secure and in the playoffs sitting players instead of them playing the whole 17th game. Maybe we need more players suited up per game. Up it from 53 to 57 or 59. Unless not playing costs the player some money.
    Depends on their contract. Many players have play time incentives based on amount of snaps they are on the field, and other production marks like catches and yards, that will obviously be easier to achieve with more playing time.

    But, all of that can be negotiated in to new contracts, which is what likely happens.

    From what I can tell with what's come out since the news first dropped, the change to 17 games is going to happen down the road and not immediately, which means many contracts will lapse before 17 games are even played.

    That's why I think that my earlier disagreement with the NFL only paying players 250k per 17th game was kind of premature. Turns out that by the time the 17th game goes live, many players will have negotiated their contract with that provision in mind. This is just to compensate the players who do NOT have a new contract by then. And you can bet your balls that pretty much every player is going to demand a new deal before or at the start of these 17 game seasons.

    Agents and lawyers are going to earn a nice paycheck the coming few years as this all gets sorted out.

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    JJ Watt tweeted out that it's a hard no from him on the CBA.

    General sentiment I've heard so far is players not really caring for the CBA. IDK where you got the idea that the NFLPA had largely signed off on this already xskarma, but many players are coming out against it.

    As for the player salary thing in general - 53 man rosters will always dilute the players' share. There's no way around it, unless they start getting northwards of 50% of the revenue. And god forbid the 32 owners don't get their billions (or rather, get slightly less billions). The Bills owners paid 1.4 billion for the Bills, they made their money back in less than 3 years - an NFL franchise is like the best investment you can ever make.

    IDK, man. I definitely don't want the alternating year 9th home game. Not only will it raise season ticket prices every other year, but the cost of going to game is already hard enough for 8 games a year. I'm all for the neutral site, let some places that don't get to see football see some football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    JJ Watt tweeted out that it's a hard no from him on the CBA.
    As for the player salary thing in general - 53 man rosters will always dilute the players' share. There's no way around it, unless they start getting northwards of 50% of the revenue. And god forbid the 32 owners don't get their billions (or rather, get slightly less billions). The Bills owners paid 1.4 billion for the Bills, they made their money back in less than 3 years - an NFL franchise is like the best investment you can ever make.
    Ya that one isn't happening, unfortunately. All of the major leagues have around a 50% revenue split, so you'd realistically need them all to move, as one league isn't going to screw another over. The NFL is just a bad business model for players, due to what you said (53 players)--no getting around it really. They'd need like an 85% revenue share to reach NBA salaries. A 55% share would get them an extra 750k a year (approx), 60% would get $1.5 mil, etc.

    The NFL players' only hope is if revenue goes the way of Tesla's stock price. I know they hate it--but international may be the ticket to bigger paychecks for them. It's where the big growth potential is right now.

    On the contract front though--what I hope they're negotiating is the bogus provisions in them (the ability to cut players whenever a team wants, guarantees being all that matters, etc). That may be a winnable one for the NFLPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    IDK where you got the idea that the NFLPA had largely signed off on this already xskarma, but many players are coming out against it.
    Yeah, not sure. I guess I have a few league/ownership mouthpieces on my twitter feed, cause that was the sentiment yesterday while reading.

    But today the mood seems different, and I just read a tweet where it said the NFLPA executive committee actually voted 6-5 AGAINST their own negotiated deal. So I'm kinda confused now how the NFLPA is taking this to it's members when they are themselves against it to this degree.

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    Roster increase to 55 (48 active) and practice squad to 12 is part of the proposed CBA. Not sure 2 more players will help much with an extra game.

    I'm sure the players will just fold and agree to whatever the owners propose anyway, they are just speeding up the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Yeah, not sure. I guess I have a few league/ownership mouthpieces on my twitter feed, cause that was the sentiment yesterday while reading.

    But today the mood seems different, and I just read a tweet where it said the NFLPA executive committee actually voted 6-5 AGAINST their own negotiated deal. So I'm kinda confused now how the NFLPA is taking this to it's members when they are themselves against it to this degree.
    What I'm led to understand is that one of the NFLPA committee members terms is up in like, a week. And they want to get it done before he isn't there any more, because when he's replaced, they'll pretty much have to start over again. His name is Eric Winston and afaik, he's pro-this CBA. Kind of the "owners' guy in the room."

    Schefter always has kind of a scummy role in these sort of things, parroting what league sources want him to parrot. He's been tweeting the league position pretty much non-stop since the "leaks" earlier in the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    What I'm led to understand is that one of the NFLPA committee members terms is up in like, a week. And they want to get it done before he isn't there any more, because when he's replaced, they'll pretty much have to start over again. His name is Eric Winston and afaik, he's pro-this CBA. Kind of the "owners' guy in the room."

    Schefter always has kind of a scummy role in these sort of things, parroting what league sources want him to parrot. He's been tweeting the league position pretty much non-stop since the "leaks" earlier in the week.
    Winston is the president of the NFLPA, has been for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post

    Ugh. I already hate the London games as they are so early on Sunday morning.
    Imagine how Europe feels 17 weeks a year with 3 games starting at 1am or later

    Our mid afternoon Sunday games give us joy. We get 3 games out of four that day at reasonable hours.


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    The players will not be voting just yet. If I'm reading right, they think they can get the simple majority from the player base as a whole to sign off, but not the 2/3 from the player reps so that vote didn't officially happen yet. They're going to meet with owners next week and try to hammer out the hangups, clearly the executive committee is split so there is still work to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    The players will not be voting just yet. If I'm reading right, they think they can get the simple majority from the player base as a whole to sign off, but not the 2/3 from the player reps so that vote didn't officially happen yet. They're going to meet with owners next week and try to hammer out the hangups, clearly the executive committee is split so there is still work to do.
    The 17th game has to be the hangup at this point. I could see the league just scrapping that and keeping the rest if they need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Ugh. I already hate the London games as they are so early on Sunday morning.
    As an EU pleb I love them. Only games I can decently watch live.
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    It's been very very very quiet today.

    The only thing I heard was that the NFLPA knew they weren't going to get the vote in their council and they apparently were trying to bring it back to the owners for some last minute negotiating, before ultimately trying to just throw it to the general playerbase in a vote, hoping to get the majority there that they weren't getting from their council.

    I have a hard time imagining that this maneuvering is going to sit well with the players. Their own executives are trying to politic this deal through, instead of acknowledging their split base and potential need for a re-think.

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    Seems like it wasn't that long ago people were saying expect a hold out because the NFLPA ain't gonna fold. Well, its entirely possible the 2nd draft of the CBA gets passed a year before any holdout could occur. lol

    'member when the last one went down to pretty much the first week of training camp and required Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning begging them to get their shit together before they suddenly agreed on a CBA?

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