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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Yeah theres no way McCarthy gets fired his first season. Too many variables plus the candidate pool will be pretty shallow this year. JJ kept Garrett 2-3 years beyond what he should have. Only way JJ fires McCarthy before 5 seasons is if he loses the locker room in a normal season.
    I will, though, say I see no world where Nolan survives as their DC. He's gonna be the scapegoat for this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    I will, though, say I see no world where Nolan survives as their DC. He's gonna be the scapegoat for this season.
    Hard to say with coordinators this year. I do think that it will be a pretty underwhelming black monday this year. Most the HCs on the chopping block shoulda been gone last season, besides Anthony Lynn. I want to say hes gone this year for handling the Herbert situation, but who knows... Its the Chargers. Might be the team I follow least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Aaron Rodgers should have easily been the run away winner of the debate of "Best QB ever." That he is, at best, 3rd behind Brady and Peyton, and maybe even 4th if you consider Brees's workmanship output, is because of McCarthy.

    McCarthy is not a good coach (at least in the modern NFL). Even before Dak was hurt, the Cowboys offense was frustratingly misused.
    Yes he is. He is the one who developed Rodgers fpor the NFL by rebuilding Rodgers mechanics and getting him away from the Tedford mechanics that derailed many other QB's. He also managed to make Matt Flynn look far better than he really was. He went to the playoffs 9 straight seasons, 4 NFC Title games, and a Super Bowl win. Over 100 wins. As for Dallas, the offense wasn't the problem when Dak was there. They were putting up plenty of points. The problem was and is the defense. Mike Nolan is a terrible Defensive Coordinator. As it is, McCarthy installed a completely new offense. There are going to be struggles and at times it isn't going to look good simply because the players are trying to learn what to do. Hell, the Packers struggled in McCarthy's first year in Green Bay even though they had Brett Favre and were using the same offensive system the year before.

    To call McCarthy a bad coach is to be dishonest. To write him off after just 10 games in Dallas when he is trying to install a completely new system on offense is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    I will, though, say I see no world where Nolan survives as their DC. He's gonna be the scapegoat for this season.
    He is no scapegoat. His defense is terrible and it is the reason for a number of their losses. He earned a big share of the blame and his dismissal would be earned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    This, essentially. Rodgers would have multiple rings with an above average coach. I don't think he should get any credit for developing Rodgers. He was Farve's backup.
    Being Favre's backup hardly did anything. McCarthy gets credit for developing Rodgers because he did. Even Rodgers admits that he wouldn't be where he is today without the development he got from McCarthy. McCarthy used to have his "QB School" where all the QB's were taught and drilled in the offense. That is where McCarthy completely rebuilt Rodgers mechanics to get him away from the Jeff Tedford style of throwing which is a massive handicap in the NFL. He also drilled into Rodgers and all of his QB's ball protection. He even managed to reduce Favre's bonehead plays and Ints.

    The reason Rodgers only has one ring is the GM, not the coach. That GM refused to use free agency and made a slew of draft picks that were busts. It was a talent issue, not a coach issue.

    McCarthy absolutely does get credit for Rodgers development because he did in fact develop Rodgers. To say he is only great because he was Favre's backup is giving Favre credit he never earned. Fave didn't so squat for Rodgers and even publicly stated he wouldn't.

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    One obvious thing you can credit to being Favre's backup was Rodger's learning to take advantage of offsides snaps knowing it's a free play. Favre was the best at it.
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    I just like reading about the "vigorous rubbing" that might affect ball inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    One obvious thing you can credit to being Favre's backup was Rodger's learning to take advantage of offsides snaps knowing it's a free play. Favre was the best at it.
    He didn't need Favre to know that. That isn't a state secret. Every QB knows that.

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    Being the backup to a really good starter actually does the opposite of what a lot of fans think for QB development. The starters won't help the backup with anything, and won't give up reps during the season. If anything, it is bad for development.

    McCarthy is probably a good QB coach, but he isn't a good play caller. No idea on head coach, that is more about managing your other coaches than actually coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    He didn't need Favre to know that. That isn't a state secret. Every QB knows that.
    Difference between knowing it’s a thing and being able to do it by knowing what to watch for and putting it into action while shits hectic, or every qb would do it. (Few do.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumboy View Post
    I'm not sure if you guys have noticed but sometimes I say things that are kind of dumb
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    I just like reading about the "vigorous rubbing" that might affect ball inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Knowing it’s a thing and being able to watch for and recognize it is not the same or every qb could do it.
    There is nothing to recognize. All QB's use a hard count. if a defensive player jumps, snap the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grube View Post
    Being the backup to a really good starter actually does the opposite of what a lot of fans think for QB development. The starters won't help the backup with anything, and won't give up reps during the season. If anything, it is bad for development.

    McCarthy is probably a good QB coach, but he isn't a good play caller. No idea on head coach, that is more about managing your other coaches than actually coaching.
    Isn't a good play caller? He had some of best offenses in the league in Green Bay. His first few seasons when he had his best OL he was one of the best play callers, including the Super Bowl season. You don't go to 9 straight playoffs, 4 NFC Title games and a Super Bowl if you are bad at your job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grube View Post
    Being the backup to a really good starter actually does the opposite of what a lot of fans think for QB development. The starters won't help the backup with anything, and won't give up reps during the season. If anything, it is bad for development.
    Just because they don’t go out of their way to teach them doesn’t mean the backup can’t learn from them. And the histories of great qbs who sat a year+ vs great qbs who started from the beginning is not on your side. Only Wilson comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    There is nothing to recognize. All QB's use a hard count. if a defensive player jumps, snap the ball.
    Sure. That’s all it is. The fact only like 5 active qbs manage to do it is because the rest don’t want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumboy View Post
    I'm not sure if you guys have noticed but sometimes I say things that are kind of dumb
    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    I just like reading about the "vigorous rubbing" that might affect ball inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Just because they don’t go out of their way to teach them doesn’t mean the backup can’t learn from them. And the histories of great qbs who sat a year+ vs great qbs who started from the beginning is not on your side. Only Wilson comes to mind.

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    Sure. That’s all it is. The fact only like 5 active qbs manage to do it is because the rest don’t want to.
    No, it's because they are told not to or don't have a good enough hard count to draw anyone offsides. Again, there is nothing to recognize. IF you have a good ard count, you use it. If not, you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Just because they don’t go out of their way to teach them doesn’t mean the backup can’t learn from them. And the histories of great qbs who sat a year+ vs great qbs who started from the beginning is not on your side. Only Wilson comes to mind.
    Never said anything about sitting vs not sitting. I said sitting behind a really good QB doesn't help at all.

    Even then, Mahomes is the only one to sit his full rookie year and have any success since the rule changes. Everyone else took over at some point in their rookie season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Isn't a good play caller? He had some of best offenses in the league in Green Bay. His first few seasons when he had his best OL he was one of the best play callers, including the Super Bowl season. You don't go to 9 straight playoffs, 4 NFC Title games and a Super Bowl if you are bad at your job.
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    The reason Rodgers only has one ring is the GM, not the coach. That GM refused to use free agency and made a slew of draft picks that were busts. It was a talent issue, not a coach issue.
    Didn't know the GM was play calling in those 4 title games. You don't go up to Seattle in the NFCCG, pick off Wilson 4 times, lose the game, and then blame the GM.

    Anyway, the NFL is prohibiting team activities aside from scheduled games Monday-Tuesday in anticipation that there is gonna be more rona cases due to the holiday.

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    So Ravens-Steelers officially pushed to Tuesday. Lamar had a positive test, so he's still out for Tuesday, but the hope is that pushing their Thursday game against Dallas to Sunday will allow him to get back for that....I guess?

    Does actually being positive go away in 10 days? I thought the 10 day period was a precautionary hope for people who had been exposed to positive people. Josh Norman on the Bills didn't clear the COVID list for like 3 weeks, and he had 0 symptoms during it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    So Ravens-Steelers officially pushed to Tuesday. Lamar had a positive test, so he's still out for Tuesday, but the hope is that pushing their Thursday game against Dallas to Sunday will allow him to get back for that....I guess?

    Does actually being positive go away in 10 days? I thought the 10 day period was a precautionary hope for people who had been exposed to positive people. Josh Norman on the Bills didn't clear the COVID list for like 3 weeks, and he had 0 symptoms during it.
    I believe it takes a certain number of negative tests before you can come off the list.
    /s

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    It's something like they can be taken off the list after 5 days with 2 negative tests more than 24 hours apart or 10 days after the positive test. I assume that is if they have no symptoms. No idea how consistent teams are, since they likely need to be cleared by a team doctor.

    In other words, the NFL doesn't care if a player spreads it as long as it looks like they are trying to follow a protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Didn't know the GM was play calling in those 4 title games. You don't go up to Seattle in the NFCCG, pick off Wilson 4 times, lose the game, and then blame the GM.
    I am blaming the GM for failing to provide the coach adequate talent. All you have to do is see the long list of draft busts that cost the team. Add to that the fact that the GM refused to entertain the idea of free agency and you have a coach who isn't being given the tools needed. Go back to the Super Bowl run. He had one of the best OL's in the league along with one of the top WR corps in the league. That added up to an elite offense. Then got to teh following year. They were putting up points like crazy. You don't do that if you are a bad play caller. As for that NFCCG, it wasn't play calling that did them in, Rodgers and the offense failed to show up. The offense played like crap. Rodgers gained a nasty habit of always looking deep while ignoring the open underneath receivers while holding on to the ball too long. This habit has been with him his entire career and it was on display in that game. Blaiming the play calling shows one did not watch that game real close at all because if one had they would realize it was a complete failure of execution starting with the QB that lost that game.

    Heck there was a later Seattle game where the Milwaukee newspaper broke down game film and found that Rodgers completely missed a wide open Devante Adams 5 times including one that would have been an easy TD while missing other receivers several other times. It was a stunning indictment of Rodgers and demonstrated that the play calling wasn't nearly as much to blame as fans were. Funny how all of a sudden when he gets a new coach that he is constantly throwing to the underneath guys he was ignoring before. It's almost as if he was undermining the previous coach and basically admitted to putting blinders on towards certain receivers.

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    Well now COVID's tearing through the Steelers.

    Cancelled game, here we come. Though now that it's both teams I wonder if they'll trigger the Week 18 plan.

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    Full house cleaning in Detroit.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...72747785736193

    Figured it was coming, didn't think they'd do it right after Thanksgiving. Figured they'd give him another week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Full house cleaning in Detroit.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...72747785736193

    Figured it was coming, didn't think they'd do it right after Thanksgiving. Figured they'd give him another week.
    It's more merciful this way. Patricia was getting absolutely raked over the coals in the sports media (and deservedly so) and another week would have just added to the misery.

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    Santa Clara apparently has banned all sporting events, meaning the 49ers need a new place to play now.

    Also apparently the Broncos entire QB room got hit by Contact Tracing today.

    Week 18 here we come.
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    NFL should be shut down anyways. Let em all catch it.

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