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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Samuraijake View Post
    Still a little early on beta/ptr stuff. But can you think of anything that could happen, be changed, removed, or added, that would cause the expansion to become a famous meme as BFA did?

    This is my attempt at some examples
    -AP grind is Actually back.
    -Bottle neck quests get rea-dded at the start of the expac
    -no flying at all through the whole thing
    -Shamans not being "completed" until patch 9.1.5
    -Rng + RnG for items you'll need to complete your legendary - resulting in you not completing your legendary or being "raid ready".. so you have to make a 2nd toon that passes the RNG check >> gets his legendary >> and is brought into raids instead.
    -Sylvannas still alive by patch 10.0
    -SJW stuff shoved in your face at the cost of good story telling.
    ~GCDs added to more abilities than ever

    What ~could~ go wrong in shadowlands?
    With that sentence you completly invaildated everything you will say. Because for people with that opinion EVERYTHING will be SJW Agenda shoved in your face.... so whiny. Also why make that? You want it to be bad? You want everyone to be in a bad mood about it? So no matter what they do you will shit on it.

  2. #182
    Idk.. I can't really see anything that appeals to me in it so far. Might be the first expansion I don't buy.

    Seems like they took ideas from legion, scraped off the sticker, and put a new sticker on it labelled shadowlands.

  3. #183
    If the covenants and Torghast flop then the expansion will go with it. At this point it's a safe bet to say the story will be bad.

    Shadowlands is really bare on new features and those play a large role in how good or bad an expansion was simply because that's where Blizzard spent their time on. So unless those features are bangers I don't see Shadowlands being good.

    After how they handled classes in BfA I'm not trusting them to suddenly learn from their mistakes in that category. They have a stupid belief that class reworks should only be done between expansions which is the time where they just do things and commit to them without having any user feedback. People spent the entire BfA beta trying to give constructive criticism for the classes only to get ignored and then told to wait till next expansion. I see people getting excited that they're bringing back old stuff but to me that just comes across them admitted they have no solid new plans for classes and just want to pander to nostalgia.
    Im going to get very unpleasant depending on how motivated your stupidity ends up getting me, so... don't?
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  4. #184
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    • BfA gameplay unchanged for most specs.
    • Tor'ghast flopping, islands style.
    • Minor variations on annoying systems such as AP or RNGforging.
    • Late BfA alt-unfriendliness unchanged.
    • Sylvanas getting "redeemed", or even worse, still around as of 10.0 - bonus facepalming in the case of both happening together.
    • More Anduin shilling.
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    BFA was about as nuanced as a golf club to the testicles/ovaries.

  5. #185
    It will suck when you get to keep all your BFA nonsense abilities and proc and passives and they take them all away suddenly when you reach level 55... Then you say, without ever bother to see the new system in shadowland, "holy shit not this again", and you log off in the middle of level 55 and never bother with the game again.

  6. #186
    Looking at past decisions, that were deemed as revolutionary by the developers, but turned out as exhausting and boring to the majority of the players, it could be anything.

    My best are on:

    - AP grind 3.0 (Anima Power)
    - Thorgast turning into another redundant activity like garrisons, scenarios, island expeditions and warfronts that people start hating to do over the course of the expansion
    - Pathfinder (very likely to happen)
    - some obnoxious grind to Exalted on all possible factions to progress further
    - nerfing all specs but one of each class into the ground so you are forced to play it to achieve anything
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by RyudoTFO View Post
    Looking at past decisions, that were deemed as revolutionary by the developers, but turned out as exhausting and boring to the majority of the players, it could be anything.

    My best are on:

    - AP grind 3.0 (Anima Power)
    - Thorgast turning into another redundant activity like garrisons, scenarios, island expeditions and warfronts that people start hating to do over the course of the expansion
    - Pathfinder (very likely to happen)
    - some obnoxious grind to Exalted on all possible factions to progress further
    - nerfing all specs but one of each class into the ground so you are forced to play it to achieve anything
    The problem with things like scenarios, island expeditions, warfronts and so one is that they are all the same thing (pve instances) with a slightly different package (and pve instances are themselves a repackaged variant of open world pve)

    You can only sell the same stuff again in a different box so many times before people catch on (even wow players).

    What wow needs imo is opportunities for emergent gameplay. Less scripted and on-rails stuff, more player creativity in how to reach their goals.

    Currently every time they create for instance a new type of quest objective, it's always in the form of "use X to do Y". It doesn't change anything if X is an item in your inventory or some special ability on a temporarily controlled vehicle. It doesn't make it harder or more fun or more interesting and more crucially, players still have no agenda. It's still "press this series of buttons for a reward", it's extremely basic.

    They should maybe look at what other open world games do, even those that aren't mmorpgs. They will go nowhere by continuing to repeat themselves.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by RyudoTFO View Post
    Looking at past decisions, that were deemed as revolutionary by the developers, but turned out as exhausting and boring to the majority of ...
    - Thorgast turning into another redundant activity like garrisons, scenarios, island expeditions and warfronts that people start hating to do over the course of the expansion
    ...
    If Torghast is AT LEAST as good as Horrific Visions PLUS offers endless progression and SOME (virtually endlessly improving) rewards - Shadowlands is going to be awesome.
    HORRIFIC VISIONS SOLO - CASUAL GEAR

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  9. #189
    A very slow rep grind at launch to unlock some allied race based on the Shadowlands faction you picked. Which is only marginally better by being a human with a darkmoon faire buff.

    And/Or

    Certain allied races that that were initially teased, (Kyrian) aren't avaible at launch and will be released at the next 9.X patch.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrotex View Post
    If Torghast is AT LEAST as good as Horrific Visions PLUS offers endless progression and SOME (virtually endlessly improving) rewards - Shadowlands is going to be awesome.

    Let's just hope that they won't screw it up, but let's pretend that Horrific Visions would have been introduced with the first BfA content patch and would just remain like they are now, changing buffs/debuffs every week and giving higher ilvl loot with every content patch. I bet many people would dislike them by 8.3 because of the repetitiveness.

    If Torghast remains like it is at the start for the whole expansion, it will suck hard. Islands, Warfronts and Scenarios all were fun for the first few weeks. The lack of variety made them look like a chore and not fun activity to most people. If Torghast will get updates with every content patch, it can be an interesting concept. But I won't hold my breath, at least not untill we see a preview of it during deep into beta.
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  11. #191
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    my opinion ?
    1 story, this is what makes me most interested in an exp, pandalands story was crap but MoP specially in 5.3 (and again, i hate i was forced to raid my own capital...but that raid really had great boss fights) was great exp overall so story won't make me pre-order, but zero reason to not order it after launch
    2 nothing really interest me, the idea of 'exp only talents' like what they plan has no appeal to me since it is something i know i'll lose anyway
    3 unprunning seems they just will return 2 abilities at most, blizz is no longer actually adding new abilities or talents to game in first place, a core part of what actually made me love to play wow in first place
    4 no tier set: the gear overall in BFA is high pixiled, but i don't like it at all, it doesn't scream 'paladin' or 'priest', horde was mainly troll troll troll and didn't play alliance
    5 last and most important : zero change in team, the same team of ppl who did BFA are going to make Shadowlands (or at least leaders), and i already have zero trust in them, from a CM who hates to play wow to a director who love to keep talk about how amazing he is and if anything bad it is everyone else fault (at least he did admit that classes aren't fun to play in BFA)
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  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraethion View Post
    A very slow rep grind at launch to unlock some allied race based on the Shadowlands faction you picked. Which is only marginally better by being a human with a darkmoon faire buff.

    And/Or

    Certain allied races that that were initially teased, (Kyrian) aren't avaible at launch and will be released at the next 9.X patch.
    Yeah,so slow......

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyudoTFO View Post
    -snip-
    i can't talk about other ppl, but i was REALLY exited about warfront, it is the reason why i bought BFA, and it was my biggest disappointment

    I do hope they keep the amazing cinematic qualities they showed us in BFA however, BFA really outstanding in cinematics in compare to any other exp (my all time wow fav is of course wrath intro, and warcraft overall is ending of wc3 tft)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    • Sylvanas getting "redeemed", or even worse, still around as of 10.0 - bonus facepalming in the case of both happening together.
    .... i see that a very real outcome sadly.. and i already feel disgusted
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  14. #194
    My biggest fear is Covenant skills being unbalanced (as shown during the Blizzcon reveal), shoehorning players into factions they don't like.

  15. #195
    Honestly seeing so many posts on possibilities of systems (rightfully) always makes me think to this:
    If the classes were more fun would you mind doing x as much.

    That's not to say any system like leveling/wq/essence/island/etc. don't have obv flaws we all see how, cause they do, it's just I wouldn't hate bfa as much as I do if the classes felt more fun to me and I didn't feel like it was absolute torture to level/get a character up to par with things like essences/ap/corruption/rep&wq. In bfa I could only really stand playing 2 characters and ideally I'd love to play like 4 characters. I think wq while you level is a good start but things like being able to clear wq instantly in legion/ other possibilities and more alt friendliness especially if it's really fun to play things like torghast, horrific visions gameplay, m+, raids,pvp, etc. You could triple the amount of time people spend in horrific visions by people just playing more characters for example.

    The only things I really really want is classes are fun to play and it doesn't feel like a chore to play as many as you want.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Galathir View Post
    My biggest fear is Covenant skills being unbalanced (as shown during the Blizzcon reveal), shoehorning players into factions they don't like.
    I think this will happen to everyone who wants optimal performance in the content they do. You cant pick covenant based on which one you prefer from lore/looks/other point of view, but instead your preferred content will make the decision for you. There is no way that the skills are balanced for all content.

    Even worse is, if they change the balance from the start. I want to play optimally without having to reroll mid tier.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    -Community will complain about irrelevant shit all of the time.

    This is my comprehensive list of stuff that will ruin Shadowlands.
    Said everything.

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    Here's 5 new systems that we will strip away come 10.0. Blizzard constantly shoving new systems that are only around for the expansion and then they are gone. adding new abilities only to remove them for the next pre-patch is getting really old.
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  19. #199
    Classes. When the SL pre-patch comes, we're literally going back to Legion pre-patch templates for the SECOND time. That's absolutely insane and it's terrible game design. I'm sure the developers love it, but it's fucking horrible for the players. Classes should be priority number one.

    With Blizzard's recent track record on WC3 Reforged, BFA in general, and what little they had to show at Blizzcon, I'm concerned. Add in the fact we still don't have SL Alpha, it is highly likely we will have another rushed mess released in November to meet the pre-order date. And remember, the BFA Alpha/Beta was a disaster. The main component, azerite, wasn't immediately available for testing when the Beta was released. When it was, and people saw how shitty the traits were, Ion reassured us it was just the leveling stuff and the raid traits would be like legendaries. The raid traits came out for testing in July, less than a month before launch, for anyone unaware. And there were only 2 of them. I will wait for Alpha/Beta to form an opinion on the expansion, but I'm not expecting much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zestyz View Post
    Classes. When the SL pre-patch comes, we're literally going back to Legion pre-patch templates for the SECOND time. That's absolutely insane and it's terrible game design. I'm sure the developers love it, but it's fucking horrible for the players. Classes should be priority number one. (...) I will wait for Alpha/Beta to form an opinion on the expansion, but I'm not expecting much.
    Argh. There have been very few experiences as crappy as the state of my favourite classes/specs during the Legion and BfA prepatches. I mean, we haven't got a single PERMANENT talents row since freaking WoD, and we've lost plenty of stuff - which is at best gated behind warmode, and as such unusable in dungeons/raids... or simply gone *poof*. Come on Blizzard!
    Quote Originally Posted by Danuser
    we created a story structure for Sylvanas that, on the surface, echoed many broad strokes of the road Garrosh took (...). These parallels were intentional. But it's within the nuance that we sought to show the story grow and change.
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