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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Stop giving old people medicine.

    Once you hit 70 you're on your own. The fuck is a generation supporting a bunch of vegetables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Ättestupa perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Look up how it worked in China. Things don't always have the simple cause and effect relationship you hope they are going to have. Especially when it comes to laws like this.

    And good luck enforcing any sort of law globally.
    Caused a demographic time bomb in China. Because male children are more wanted over female. Asian culture thing.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Thereturn View Post
    80% of the planets landmass is used for agraculture to provide for food or food for animals we eat. I call that overpopulation.
    LOL, that is not true. Percentage is about 10%...

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    Nope. Just offer everyone long-acting reversible contraceptives for free and they'll have fewer children of their own volition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Because it creates unrest in your population and it leads to a generation of people that are rather unhappy, meaning they will be more likely to take your head with the next revolution.
    In my age group in the city I live in we're like 70ish women for each 100 men.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Thereturn View Post
    With overpopulation and everything that comes with it, one of the solutions that comes to mind is a 1 child policy, globally, for the next somewhat years. Would you be in favour of this or not? Why?

    Personally id say this is a pretty big infringement on our autonomy, on the other hand, its needed. So if not for life, id say its cool.
    We don't have a population crisis, we have a resource allocation crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurgjelme View Post
    You are either a Russian troll account or a truly despicable human.

    There is only one proper answer, and it is to empower women who live in the third world, religious nations and places like Russia where they are beaten and treated worse than a dog.

    They should receive a proper education, knowledge and rights to birth control. Anyone trying to control women through religion or "culture" should be removed.
    Where in my post did I specify sterilization of women? I think women AND men should get sterilized once they reach puberty and can have it reversed when they can prove they can provide for their planned child without the government paying one cent towards raising said lone child. No more unplanned pregnancies. No more welfare parents. It would solve overpopulation. Its a win all around!

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    So as a liberal you're ok with eugenics and forced sterilization of the poor.
    As a liberal I'm fine with ANYONE showing they can support the child they want to raise. Showing you can support the child yourself doesn't mean rich mommy & daddy paying the bills for it. It means YOU are showing YOU can provide for said child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    Where in my post did I specify sterilization of women? I think women AND men should get sterilized once they reach puberty and can have it reversed when they can prove they can provide for their planned child without the government paying one cent towards raising said lone child. No more unplanned pregnancies. No more welfare parents. It would solve overpopulation. Its a win all around!

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    As a liberal I'm fine with ANYONE showing they can support the child they want to raise. Showing you can support the child yourself doesn't mean rich mommy & daddy paying the bills for it. It means YOU are showing YOU can provide for said child.
    You support coercion and involuntary sterilization... So if that's "liberal" then liberal is bad...

    Sterilization is not okay unless it's based on the consent of the subject.
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    Absolutely not, how many children a couple has is up to the couple and no one else.
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    No.

    It's not needed and it's bad policy. It hasn't worked for China at all.

    If it's bad for a country with 1b people, it's bad for a planet of 7b.


  13. #113
    Overpopulation is more about people getting to genocide than an actual threat.

    Capitalism and its need for constant growth on a planet with finite resources should be far more concerning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    Where in my post did I specify sterilization of women? I think women AND men should get sterilized once they reach puberty and can have it reversed when they can prove they can provide for their planned child without the government paying one cent towards raising said lone child. No more unplanned pregnancies. No more welfare parents. It would solve overpopulation. Its a win all around!

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    As a liberal I'm fine with ANYONE showing they can support the child they want to raise. Showing you can support the child yourself doesn't mean rich mommy & daddy paying the bills for it. It means YOU are showing YOU can provide for said child.
    I guess you're a good illustration of why liberals are the actual worst. You're literally advocating for eugenics.
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    No and it's not needed. Overpopulation is only a problem in *ahem* developing countries.

    Not to mention personally I would want Earth to be overpopulated as humans are a lazy, complacent species and I don't think currently the pressure for innovation isn't strong enough. We need more "problems" to go to Mars... or experiment with new technologies such as fusion power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Capitalism and its need for constant growth on a planet with finite resources should be far more concerning.
    Actually constant growth is a requirement for all systems and it's not specific to capitalism. For example let's say you have a communist system, it would start to decline almost immediately after growth stops and it would start prospering almost immediately after growth picks back up. There's no such thing as a system that can succeed while its economy stagnates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Actually constant growth is a requirement for all systems and it's not specific to capitalism. For example let's say you have a communist system, it would start to decline almost immediately after growth stops and it would start prospering almost immediately after growth picks back up. There's no such thing as a system that can succeed while its economy stagnates.
    This is using a definition of "decline" that is specific to capitalist societies, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Actually constant growth is a requirement for all systems and it's not specific to capitalism. For example let's say you have a communist system, it would start to decline almost immediately after growth stops and it would start prospering almost immediately after growth picks back up. There's no such thing as a system that can succeed while its economy stagnates.
    Growth in a communist economic system is far more restrained and controlled. Capitalism requires almost exponential growth because it derives a lot of its value from speculation and not material reality.

    Besides I dont think communism is the dominant economic system so I mean it might be a concern if it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I'm 100% in favor of this and would take it one step further and have forced sterilization on people upon puberty unless/until they can prove they can support their ONE child on their own without the aid of the government or anyone outside of the two parents (or one parent if a woman so elects to be a single mom).
    Not surprised someone like you could think that way, but regardless, it's a despicable view. You're no different than the governments in the US and Canada that forcefully sterilized Native women and girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Growth in a communist economic system is far more restrained and controlled.
    Exactly that's why it'll never work because it's based on trying to restrain and control growth instead of maximizing growth.

    Capitalism requires almost exponential growth because it derives a lot of its value from speculation and not material reality.

    Besides I dont think communism is the dominant economic system so I mean it might be a concern if it was.
    No, exponential growth isn't needed, linear is fine. Even if the economy only grows by a flat 1 unit per year it would still be fine as long as it doesn't go down to zero and below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Exactly that's why it'll never work because it's based on trying to restrain and control growth instead of maximizing growth.



    No, exponential growth isn't needed, linear is fine. Even if the economy only grows by a flat 1 unit per year it would still be fine as long as it doesn't go down to zero and below.
    And maximising growth is the problem. I dont think you can really say it wont work because you believe maximising growth is the only way human beings can live fulfilling lives while providing the necessities of life.

    I see you're selectively reading what I say, I'll be more literal and direct.
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