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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    Don't reply, he is trolling.

    He knows that BWL has only been out for a week, it's hardly enough to make a judgement, but acts as if going from 10k guilds to 3k guilds in nyalotha isn't a reduction, since nyalotha hasn't been out for long enough.
    sorry to burst your bubble, but EP normal was raided (according to raider.io) by 17,5k guilds over its whole duration, while nyalotha by almost 14k over the brief period its out... so no, the decline on retail is not that huge as on classic...

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Factsbeforefeelings View Post
    You're not understanding my point. What is there to experience about gear you're guaranteed to upgrade every patch within a week? I could go back to retail, binge on some Mythic+ dungeons and have 90% of my power cap for the tier obtained in a week. Next tier, I do the same thing all over again.

    No piece of gear matters, no piece of gear lasts. Nothing feels good to get because it's a seasonal system of gear replacement. Nameless gear you transmog over because stuff from 10 years ago looks better.
    Non of the classic gear matters, non of its special every one is going to get it eventualy because the games stagnant, boring and repetitive. Just a bunch of fucks farming nqx for the 100000s time all decked out with legos and bis trinkets. That why alot of Pservers have a freaking reset ffs. Shit get stale and servers get fucking waky when most of them have bis gear, it also gets unplayable on pvp servers cos power masivly outstripped defence in vanilla, pvp became a one shot fest and tbc was damn breath of fresh air for reseting every one.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    This is an mmo, not an rpg. If you want an end play draonage. MMOs are about a living breathing world and constant progress and story.

    When it comes to classic it is me me me only reason I playing this shower shit is cos they wanted me to.

    I already have a binding, not sure what I'm gonna do with thuderfury when I get that as a holy pala but w/e probs throw it in the collection of junk in my bank.

    This games fucking cushey when you control the loot council.
    I don’t believe you quite frankly. No guild would give a binding to a holy paladin over the tank. Your guild would’ve instantly fallen apart on the spot.

    And you are forgetting the important part of mmoRPG. It’s RPG.

    Retail has lost that tho and retail is an mmo arpg. It’s more diablo3 arpg than Everquest like rpg

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    Pretty close? You've gone from 10,7k to 3,8k.

    But sure, let's talk numbers, BWL came out last thursday 5 days, roughly 120 hours of raid uptime, has 3,4k logged and thats 28 fresh guilds clearing every hour. While Nyalotha came out 28 days ago, roughly 672 hours of raid uptime with 3,8k clears, while nyalotha has 5,6 fresh clears every hour.

    Also add in that no BWL raid is under 30 people (most are 40 man), while normal & hc are 10+ people, you have a VERY clear NUMERICAL conclusion that more people are raiding classic than retail.
    yeah, bcs nyalotha is not being cleaared on first day by morons
    compare amount of people who RAID not who cleared it, that is way more accurate as retail raiding is not on retarded difficulty so not everybody already cleared it...

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Which also means the ad is completely wasted on you. These algorithms are actually rather stupid.
    Yea they are pritty dumb. I clicked on one of them share buying ads once and I get that now nearly every YouTube vid.

    Dunno how popular buying fractional shares is but it looks damned popular when I get 10-20 ads a night about it :/

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by barrsftw View Post
    But then you're double counting and even triple counting most players....

    If you want to make the comparison using all difficulties then you'd have to compare MC + Ony + BWL + Another raid vs EP LFR + EP N + EP H + EP M

    Obviously not a fair comparison, but neither is adding 4 difficulties. EP Normal + EP Mythic vs MC would be pretty fair possibly, there's probably very little overlap in players who do Mythic AND normal, and anyone not doing Mythic is probably doing Normal.
    you are assuming MOST people raid all difficulties, which is incorect... most people raid 1-2 difficulties...

    somehow comparing single difficulty when there are people raiding on another 3 difficulties is unfair too, but hey, that seemed to be in favor of YOUR argument, so that was ok right? lovely double standards...

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    yeah, bcs nyalotha is not being cleaared on first day by morons
    compare amount of people who RAID not who cleared it, that is way more accurate as retail raiding is not on retarded difficulty so not everybody already cleared it...
    I still get flash backs of the apes stream, there RL is an embarissment to gaming, I thought raid leader like him packed up years ago when we found out they were all rage and no actual skill.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by MrA View Post
    The reason they only chose one difficulty in retail is that many people do 3 if not all 4 difficulties. This makes it hard to distinguish how many actual players there are. You could very well be counting the same players 4 times, and even further x how many alts they are running as it is 800% easier to have alts raiding in BFA then Classic due to the longer leveling process for alts.

    Most people only run 1 maybe 2 alts for the average player in Classic. Most of the players in BFA run anywhere between 6-10 alts, with at least 2-4 of them raiding (guestimating based on what I've seen from streamers, guildies, and others). I know its not the best representation of the community but a good guess.
    "many" sure, "most" nope, most people raid 1-2, so lets say if you double the heroic numbers you might be close to how many guilds raid on retail...
    but sure, compare only single difficulty, i know you dont want truth you want argument that support your side no matter if its correct or not...

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    Nothing wrong with having very rare items drop from 5 mans. Like 0.15% for ironfoe so it isn’t something you can farm

    Rare items in mmorpgs should come from all places and classic does that better than retail. Almost all the end game 5 mans offer 1 purple at a less than 1% drop rate. It keeps people running it forever and organically without m+, ap or bribing them with weekly drops.

    It’s actually the very essence of what an rpg is and it’s brilliant game design
    Not when there better than the best gear in the hardest content, rewards should be proportional to difficulty not luck and time.

    But that's basicly the titan forge argument.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    You just strawmanned his entire post. He talks about what makes an MMO fun, and you start rambling about difficulty.

    How do you know he wouldn't clear Heroic/Mythic? You're assuming so much about someone without even seeing them play.

    You can also still play a class much better than other people on Classic, you make it sound like any noob can walk into a raid and get a 99 parse. It still takes a degree of skill and preparation, sure maybe not as much as retail now or previous iterations, but there's still a lot to distinguish skilled players from bad ones.
    I think you've missed parts of the discussion. Which is fine, I don't expect everyone to read every single post.

    re-read some things, then get back to me. Because its pretty clear none of the things I said were an insult, and more to do with the way he described his time while playing the game.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    I don’t believe you quite frankly. No guild would give a binding to a holy paladin over the tank. Your guild would’ve instantly fallen apart on the spot.

    And you are forgetting the important part of mmoRPG. It’s RPG.

    Retail has lost that tho and retail is an mmo arpg. It’s more diablo3 arpg than Everquest like rpg
    I gave it my self, fuck the rest of them. Its an MMORPG retail is a bag of wank, classic is just worse. Its the alpha test of wotlk and the beta for tbc that's all it is.

    Broken classes, shitty items, shitty loot, shitty easy bosses, and made by clueless devs. And it's not even really much like vanilla. Fuck know what classic is really, it's fake vanilla, a 1.12 skin stuck on the new Client with some radom changes thrown in and a weird release shedual trying to mimic vanilla patch cycle. And it's all gonna end with a perpetual screwed up server state where every one has everything like some wierd abandoned pserver project.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by SinAscendant View Post
    You want player count? Here you go buddy.

    https://wowclassicpopulation.com/

    633k players in the last 14 days.
    Over 1 million character completed a M+ this season
    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-charac.../59120#content

    About 2.8 mil last season
    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-charac...142263#content

    Which is higher than season 2 (2.4)
    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-charac...120866#content

    And about the same in S1
    https://raider.io/mythic-plus-charac...120141#content


    Obviously there's alts in that, but still beats your 600k which also include alts, but doesn't include people who don't run M+.
    But let's spin the narrative and say Retail actually gained new players after S2! What happened during S3? Right, Classic was released. Maybe they were disappointed and joined Retail instead?

    Or just stop using numbers without any context.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    I gave it my self, fuck the rest of them. Its an MMORPG retail is a bag of wank, classic is just worse. Its the alpha test of wotlk and the beta for tbc that's all it is.

    Broken classes, shitty items, shitty loot, shitty easy bosses, and made by clueless devs. And it's not even really much like vanilla. Fuck know what classic is really, it's fake vanilla, a 1.12 skin stuck on the new Client with some radom changes thrown in and a weird release shedual trying to mimic vanilla patch cycle. And it's all gonna end with a perpetual screwed up server state where every one has everything like some wierd abandoned pserver project.
    Got it. Your just a troll and a liar. If your story was real, your guild would’ve crumbled on the spot. Maybe you are just a sociopath as well as a liar tho

  14. #174
    Why do people keep making these threads? How hard can it be to just enjoy the version of wow you prefer without feeling the need of making these circle jerk threads?

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    Got it. Your just a troll and a liar. If your story was real, your guild would’ve crumbled on the spot. Maybe you are just a sociopath as well as a liar tho
    Or no one with any sense actualy cares and they know they will get it anyway as there's a list.

    And as we don't care about timed runs and most of us only use classic for the luls and to gank when Were done with retail prog we don't need to "min max" the loot cos classic is an embarrassing joke of game.

    Here's something that might boil ur piss, the mage is next after me.

    We gave the first hand of rag to a druid and the 2nd to the shammy. Ohhhhhh no guild collapse Inc......such drama.... Give me a break who cares about classic loot.

    Hell even esfand has a hand of rag... No one but the speed runners are taking this shit seriously.
    Last edited by Monster Hunter; 2020-02-17 at 06:44 PM.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    you are assuming MOST people raid all difficulties, which is incorect... most people raid 1-2 difficulties...

    somehow comparing single difficulty when there are people raiding on another 3 difficulties is unfair too, but hey, that seemed to be in favor of YOUR argument, so that was ok right? lovely double standards...
    I specifically said double and triple... did you even read what I wrote lol? Stop making things up that I didn't say. Not even going to waste my time anymore.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Or no one with any sense actualy cares and they know they will get it anyway as there's a list.

    And as we don't care about timed runs and most of us only use classic for the luls and to gank when Were done with retail prog we don't need to "min max" the loot cos classic is an embarrassing joke of game.

    Here's something that might boil ur piss, the mage is next after me.

    We gave the first hand of rag to a druid and the 2nd to the shammy. Ohhhhhh no guild collapse Inc......such drama.... Give me a break who cares about classic loot.
    No one cares about your posts. You’re clearly trolling and a liar so who cares what you have to say.

    What’s your characters name? I can find you on ironforge pro and see your binding if it’s true

    Put up or shut up

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    This is an mmo, not an rpg. If you want an end play dragonage. MMOs are about a living breathing world and constant progress and story.

    When it comes to classic it is me me me only reason I playing this shower shit is cos they wanted me to.

    I already have a binding, not sure what I'm gonna do with thuderfury when I get that as a holy pala but w/e probs throw it in the collection of junk in my bank.

    This games fucking cushey when you control the loot council.
    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Or no one with any sense actualy cares and they know they will get it anyway as there's a list.

    And as we don't care about timed runs and most of us only use classic for the luls and to gank when Were done with retail prog we don't need to "min max" the loot cos classic is an embarrassing joke of game.

    Here's something that might boil ur piss, the mage is next after me.

    We gave the first hand of rag to a druid and the 2nd to the shammy. Ohhhhhh no guild collapse Inc......such drama.... Give me a break who cares about classic loot.

    Hell even esfand has a hand of rag... No one but the speed runners are taking this shit seriously.
    You gave the first binding to a Holy Paladin (yourself.)
    You gave the 2nd Hand of Rag to a Shaman.

    Do you see what's wrong with your fictional story?

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by barrsftw View Post
    I specifically said double and triple... did you even read what I wrote lol? Stop making things up that I didn't say. Not even going to waste my time anymore.
    yes i have, its based on assuming most people raid multiple difficulties, which is at best guesswork...

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Factsbeforefeelings View Post
    You gave the first binding to a Holy Paladin (yourself.)
    You gave the 2nd Hand of Rag to a Shaman.

    Do you see what's wrong with your fictional story?
    Yeah he’s obviously lying and comes off like a sociopath tbh

    He’s either a lying troll, or a dirtbag sociopath. Pick one

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