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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And why was he placed in the foreground???

    Iconic to you maybe. How many animated shows have him noticeably shorter than everyone? None. He's been depicted as the same size as everyone else except like cyclops and colossus. You're making it sound like he needs to be played by Danny Devito. And height is much less noticeable than most physical traits in films and television which is why Tom Cruise and Robert Downey Jr. look around the same height as many of the taller people in their films like Chris Hemsworth.

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  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    No actors look exactly but you can get them close. If looks don't matter then would you have been ok with Donald Glover playing Han Solo in Solo and the other guy play Lando instead? Of course not, you want them to look as close to the original actors as possible. And what did they do to Hugh Jackman to make him look as close to wolverine as possible? They made him get jacked and have that wolverine haircut for the alot of the films. They also had an even taller dude play Sabertooth and then when they swapped actors and had Liev Schreiber who is the same height as Hugh they framed alot of the shots so Liev looked taller.

    And again I was pointing out you being wrong that people don't complain about white characters looking different.
    Donald Glover would have made an amazing Han Solo.

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    Realistically speaking, because the Endless are all perceived differently by different people, does it really make sense to have singular individuals portraying the characters? I get it from a continuity of running a show, but in the scope of the lore, having a fixed cast doesn't entirely make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Realistically speaking, because the Endless are all perceived differently by different people, does it really make sense to have singular individuals portraying the characters? I get it from a continuity of running a show, but in the scope of the lore, having a fixed cast doesn't entirely make sense.
    Well, they predominantly are in their human-ish forms throughout the series....so it makes sense the tv series would work the same

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
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    Yeah exactly like I said.....

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Yeah exactly like I said.....
    Apparently you need your eyes checked. Wolverine is noticeably shorter than everyone but the children...

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    What are you talking about I didn't say any of that. I said that people like characters and want them to be like how they envision them.
    Sigh. Do we really have to play the re-quote game?

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    No for me Tom Ellis would be my Lucifer so I would want someone that looks and acts like him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Realistically speaking, because the Endless are all perceived differently by different people, does it really make sense to have singular individuals portraying the characters? I get it from a continuity of running a show, but in the scope of the lore, having a fixed cast doesn't entirely make sense.
    That would actually be pretty neat although it would be wildly impractical for live action. Maybe in the future when we can have cheaper, more effective CGI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    They don't complain nearly as much when it's white actors that don't match up to the source characters. And they did absolutely nothing to make Jackman look shorter in the movies
    that is rly not a valid comparison, since the x-man movies were made in a time internet was not so big like it is today, every complaint was little and didn't had as much power

    Plus, the reasons why the movies were so garbage was exactly because they were doing things like that making characters distant on their portrait and changing storylines, by example, i for once hate what they did with Cyclops, but by the time the movie was released i don't even remember having a computer to complain

    If the x-men movies were made today, people would complain a lot more for sure(like they do with the recent ones) people are always talking about rebooting the x-men universe with more fidelity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Apparently you need your eyes checked. Wolverine is noticeably shorter than everyone but the children...
    seems like he is the same size as storm.
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  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    causes commotion
    It only causes a commotion because people like you are fragile.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Sigh. Do we really have to play the re-quote game?
    First off I gave an example of what I mean by someone's version of a character. Second I have repeatedly been using the term "their" instead of mine and yet you keep claiming I want X or Y. I have been explaining why people have favorites and why they want "their" character to be the one that continues on in what ever product.

    I assume English is a second language for you so I'll try to explain it better: Imagine if someone likes Superman over Batman and they hear a new DC movie is made. They are going to want it to be about Superman. That doesn't mean when it ends up being a Batman movie instead they wont go see it or that they wont like it. It just means they are going to bitch about it not being a Superman movie because they want another film about the character they like. And before you go quoting me again claiming I'm saying that my example is about me I'm just going to state that I prefer Batman over Superman.

    And again I was not saying I would bitch about X or Y. I was saying that people do complain about white actors not looking like the white character they were portraying. I was not a Lucifer fan so I quite enjoyed Tom and Peter portraying different versions of the DC Lucifer which entirely different characters aside from the name. I hadn't spent decades of my life reading/experiencing the character and so I didn't have a "superman" to compare them too.

    I did however enjoy Constantine and prefer the way they set up that universe and characters and would like a second film with Keanu Constantine. But according to you:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Or you could be open minded and try something new. You have the Lucifer TV show if you're feeling nostalgic.

    I think Tom Ellis is great. I don't need for him to play the same character on a different show and I would like to see Gwendoline Christie give Ellis a run for his money.
    Nobody should want anything in the same universe. We should all try new things like maybe not constantly responding to someone when they are just trying to troll you. Guess I'll take your advice and stop responding after this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Apparently you need your eyes checked. Wolverine is noticeably shorter than everyone but the children...
    You do realize there are "children" taller than adults right? He's only noticeably shorter than Scott. You also know what average means don't you? I'll give you a hint it doesn't mean use the biggest number.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

    Not sure why you wanna die on this hill but I'm done responding. It's ok to be wrong. Just because you were ignorant and got called out on it doesn't mean you need to spend 40 pages insisting Wolverine should be a dwarf and it's more noticeable than Storms hair color in a thread that isn't about Xmen. Next time you wanna prove everyone is an evil racist just do some research first and don't use a character that contradicts your claim.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    First off I gave an example of what I mean by someone's version of a character. Second I have repeatedly been using the term "their" instead of mine and yet you keep claiming I want X or Y. I have been explaining why people have favorites and why they want "their" character to be the one that continues on in what ever product.
    You stated your own preference. Next time say what you mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    I assume English is a second language for you so I'll try to explain it better: Imagine if someone likes Superman over Batman and they hear a new DC movie is made. They are going to want it to be about Superman. That doesn't mean when it ends up being a Batman movie instead they wont go see it or that they wont like it. It just means they are going to bitch about it not being a Superman movie because they want another film about the character they like.
    This analogy is terrible. Imagine if somebody liked a particular re-interpretation of a character. When confronted with a new reinterpretation of the same character they do approach it with an open mind or they do lash out on the internet? Some people are lashing out while showing a very poor understanding of the character to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    I was saying that people do complain about white actors not looking like the white character they were portraying.
    Again, a black actor is not portraying a white character. A black actor is portraying a mythical being that's 15 billion years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Nobody should want anything in the same universe.
    And yet here you are defending that attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post

    You do realize there are "children" taller than adults right? He's only noticeably shorter than Scott. You also know what average means don't you? I'll give you a hint it doesn't mean use the biggest number.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average
    He's noticeably shorter than Jean, Storm and Scott. You know that you don't count the tips of his mask when measuring height, yes?

    Wolverine doesn't even come up to Scott's shoulder...and you think that's "average"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    that is rly not a valid comparison, since the x-man movies were made in a time internet was not so big like it is today, every complaint was little and didn't had as much power

    Plus, the reasons why the movies were so garbage was exactly because they were doing things like that making characters distant on their portrait and changing storylines, by example, i for once hate what they did with Cyclops, but by the time the movie was released i don't even remember having a computer to complain

    If the x-men movies were made today, people would complain a lot more for sure(like they do with the recent ones) people are always talking about rebooting the x-men universe with more fidelity.
    They've been making the X-Men movies steadily since 2000...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    It only causes a commotion because people like you are fragile.
    Sure, it is me who is name-calling others trying to look cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    They've been making the X-Men movies steadily since 2000...
    And only "recently" people are starting to complain heavy about it, not to surprise how the later movies were a fiasco with few exceptions.

    Like, rly, its the same as people defending deadpool portrait in that origins movie, But it is was garbage and more people prefer the version they are more familiar with it, it is not rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    Like, rly, its the same as people defending deadpool portrait in that origins movie, But it is was garbage and more people prefer the version they are more familiar with it, it is not rocket science.
    What they did to Deadpool in The Wolverine movie was terrible...but that's because they changed the character. The slapped on extra abilities and burned his mouth off. It honestly wouldn't matter who played him at that point. They butchered the character.

    Death's Character is not "she's a white goth girl". That's just something she occasionally looks like. It has nothing to do with her character.

    She's not a white girl. She's not a black girl. She's not a person. She's the embodiment of the force of death. What colour her skin is on the occasions when she manifests in a human-ish form is completely unimportant. What matters how the series deals with the character.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Sure, it is me who is name-calling others trying to look cool.
    Are you referring to me? lol I'm trying to "look cool" by pointing the obvious out? Ok.

    You didn't refute what I said, though. It is a simple, and obvious, fact that there is only a commotion because of people like you getting "offended" by such things. Me saying you're clearly fragile to take such issue over this is another thing that is plainly obvious. All you do is whinge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    What they did to Deadpool in The Wolverine movie was terrible...but that's because they changed the character. The slapped on extra abilities and burned his mouth off. It honestly wouldn't matter who played him at that point. They butchered the character.
    they could just say it was one of the HQ depictions of him, the problem is people like fidelity for the most well know depiction of the character, at least the most popular/the one that people know better. People liked the new Deadpool because he look a lot like the Hqs.
    Death's Character is not "she's a white goth girl". That's just something she occasionally looks like. It has nothing to do with her character.
    she is not, but that is something she almost all the time looks like, people will still look for fidelity or a version they are more found off/they know more, i bet people would complain the same, or even more if they make death as a man, despise death showing up as a man before.

    in the end people want to see fidelity and/or something they are familiar with it regardless, when they adapt those things, because it is easy to make a contact/connection and majority knows about that version(one of the reasons many people, and myself would prefer john stewart as green lantern in the movies, because the animation), some obscure or "secret" versions, that appear rarely (not saying this is the case) will not gather many people

    Thats why i said it would be better to me, to start with the one majority knows, and change it later, be on later episodes or in another season, but i not neil gaiman, im just saying what i think. is a good way to not cause unnecessary ruckus and gather media.

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    Yikes, that's some The CW teenage angst right there XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    You have a very skewed, unhealthy view on women’s bodies.
    Ah...I'm posting just assuming people know the comics...my fault..

    Death in the comics almost exclusively appears as a teenager, not as a woman. While Death at times is her own persona, much is as the teenage girl Didi n her teenage adventures, she embodies punk/metal genre, she even brings up issues like aids, which wasn't talked much about back in the day to young people..(honestly it almost never gets mentioned nowadays now that I think about it..

    Endus...says Dream is shown in different appearances, but he doesn't mention how often n it is telling that he says he trusts the author rather than relying on a larger body of work... He could talk about the most common appearances of the characters n the stories that come with them, but no...

    Death is the most popular character in the sandman franchise, her stuff has been collected into an absolute edition book (absolute is basically Tintin sized comic books with hardcover) so instead of arguing about different appearances lets just browse through it n see how his arguments hold up..


    What story is going to be used for the unexpected version of Death for this show? Make it all up? The actress in this show is not a teenager, she should have done this role in 2001, not 2021...is she supposed to play as a teenager black Death? I don't know your age, but I am not a teenager n certainly have put on more weight, which is very common as one grows older, harder to maintain weight. One generally was a lot skinnier...I could go through snacks like a lawn mover n not gain any weight.
    Aren't there any young black actresses that could have filled the role? This isn't a voice acting role..or she will play an adult role? That's like a brand new character..

    My main point, well, if one wants to do different versions, how fair is that one is in the comics and the other live-action show? Will comics teen Death be in a movie? No? This would be like, and I thought of an example, this would be like the Japanese director Akira Kurosawa's praised movie Yojimbo's samuraii story had only appeared in a comic, not as a film and but years later it instead appears as a movie, not samuraii but a cowboy movie by italian director Sergio Leone, "a fistful of dollars"
    While that Clint Eastwood movie is pure awesome, the world would still be poorer if only one version of the story was filmed, instead of two. Sure, leone's movie relied heavily on yojimbo, but the point is still it's messed up to derail a version of the story that has been known for decades.

    Some here can pretend all they want that they are fine that we don't get to see it, sad they are lying to themselves..

    Here is a side-by-side look at the respective births of the "super-samurai" action movie genre and the spaghetti western genre.
    "Yojimbo" (1961). Dir. by Akira Kurosawa
    "Fistful of Dollars" (1964) Dir. by Sergio Leone

    Film historian Stephen Prince and Flavorwire film editor Jason Bailey talk Kurosawa at the Tallgrass Film Festival.

    And just as Leone was struck by the parallels in Kurosawa’s film, Kurosawa was struck by the parallels in Leone’s. “Y’know, Kurosawa did see Fistful,” Prince said, “and he liked it, just like he liked The Magnificent Seven. But in the case of Fistful, it was an infringement. So Toho (Kurosawa’s studio) sued Leone, and Kurosawa sent a letter, and Leone was very pleased to get it; the letter said, ‘I’ve seen your movie. It’s a very good movie. Unfortunately, it’s my movie.'”

    Aside from Fistful, Yojimbo was also reworked in 1996 by director Walter Hill, who adapted it into an American bootlegger story with Bruce Willis called Last Man Standing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lGquWtBoBs
    Yojimbo Audio only commentary by Stephen Prince
    Source: The Criterion Collection

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