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  1. #401
    Haven't read any comics/books.

    But I really enjoyed this show.
    Kind of a shame we didn't get more of Charles Dance, simply can't love the man.

    Read some early criticism about jumping plot-lines etc, which had me a bit worried.
    But after finishing the season, I think everything melded together really well.

    I guess reception has been kind of lukewarm, but I hope for a second season.
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  2. #402
    As much as I like cats the episode was just kind of random.

    Second was okay, but I feel like freeing her could have been better integrated into the plot. If she doesn't come back then its just some throwaway plot.

  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    As much as I like cats the episode was just kind of random.

    Second was okay, but I feel like freeing her could have been better integrated into the plot. If she doesn't come back then its just some throwaway plot.
    They're anthology stories, they aren't really meant to tie into anything else that's why it's a bonus episode.

  4. #404
    I couldn't get past the first episode. Paper thin roots of character development, though the CG was good. My better half seems to enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    I couldn't get past the first episode. Paper thin roots of character development, though the CG was good. My better half seems to enjoy it.
    The show slowly unravels the background of the world. To me, I prefer it this way. It leaves me wondering and asking questions, which makes my little brain happy.
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  6. #406
    Just watched the bonus episode(s), first short animation one was a bit odd I guess, but the second was fantastic, beautiful.

    Would be such a shame if we don't get at least one more season.
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  7. #407
    The only episode I had to skim through was the diner episode. It didn't have much, if at all, of Morpheus in it. I didn't care about any of the side characters introduced for just this episode and it just seemed to drag on. And there seemed like there could have been better ways to display the misuse of the ruby.
    "The customer is always right" is a nice way of saying "I will put up with your bullshit as long as you pay me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    The only episode I had to skim through was the diner episode. It didn't have much, if at all, of Morpheus in it. I didn't care about any of the side characters introduced for just this episode and it just seemed to drag on. And there seemed like there could have been better ways to display the misuse of the ruby.
    I think it's lifted directly from the comic, where it's also a look at 24 hours inside the diner.

    I agree, though - to me it was also the weakest point of the show, and I found it dragged on way too long. Maybe if there had been more nuance to it or something, I don't know; or maybe that kind of format just doesn't work as well on the screen as it might on pages. I found the premise a little banal, and the execution unexciting; but I'm willing to forgive a misstep since the show is otherwise excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    The only episode I had to skim through was the diner episode. It didn't have much, if at all, of Morpheus in it. I didn't care about any of the side characters introduced for just this episode and it just seemed to drag on. And there seemed like there could have been better ways to display the misuse of the ruby.
    That episode is . . . a lot. The thing about Sandman is that it's intentionally an anthology of stories, but all those stories are carefully interwoven and many threads won't resolve for ages. There's threads laid already that won't resolve for another few seasons, at the pace they're going (this season covered Preludes and Nocturnes, and The Doll's House, and the bonus episode covered half of Dream Country.)

    We can assume Seasons of Mists and A Game of You will compose Season 2; and a lot gets paid off from Season 1 through this, but not all.

    Fables and Reflections is where we'll finally get around to Calliope and Dream's kid, for instance. Hippolyta's dream-baby won't really pay off until we get through all the above, Brief Lives, World's End, and then finally start paying off in The Kindly Ones which may end up a season unto itself.

    But there's reasons, and they're important, and a lot of it has to do with Dream himself and how he changes. He starts off as a right prick and slowly gets better over the course.

    With regards to the 24/7 episode specifically, it's making some thematically really important points about the nature of truth, and lies, of reality and hope. These are super-important themes moving forward and I think the idea was that the brutality of the situation forces the audience to pay attention, and it's important to get this out early because Dream is, fundamentally, all about open lies and inner truths, and how dreams literally are the former, and yet fundamentally exist in many ways to expose the latter. It's as critical as exploring exactly what "death" means would be if the series were about Dream's sister. The whole series is about that, in the end, but they had to establish some really important points early on It's hard to watch; I know every bit of what I was getting into but it's still hard to watch. But that's sort of the point of it. Sandman isn't about escapism into fantasy. If you pay attention, there's even already a lot of examples of such and they're all demonstrated to either be intentional punishments or deep wrongs/illnesses that must be corrected.


  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    I couldn't get past the first episode. Paper thin roots of character development, though the CG was good. My better half seems to enjoy it.
    What character development are you expecting in the first episode...especially when the titular character spends the entire episode locked in a cage?
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    We quite liked it. Episode 6 was my favorite due to the nature of the subject matter ties in so closely to real life.
    The pacing seemed fine, although the CG for Hel wasn't my cup of tea. Haven't found a single series or movie which depicted hell properly wothout the overly use of CGI to make it look bad.

    For once there is a series out there now which actually makes you think about life, death, dreams, desires and everything which is tied to emotions and the human mind/psyche. It's a breath of fresh air to actually make your own judgements and interpretations (and ask the question: what would you do). In a sea of mindless blockbuster movies and series Sandman seperates those who watch just for entertainment (like my girlfriend who found the series *meh*) and those like me who actually enjoy more layers and not really care for the entertainment value.
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    I Watched with little knowledge of the work, so i had not much contact with the universe save some Constantine, and i rly liked most of it

    i think the tools arc was darn good, but he get his tools... and we never see then ever again, so, whats the point? did he broke then and absorbed like the ruby? kinda wanted to see something related to that.

    The dream vortex arc started a bit lame imo, but then it picked up rly good, but, i think the concept of "dream vortex" is a bit lame, of how a mortal can tear down the walls and basically end the universe, like what, are there other vortexes? death vortex? despair vortex? if not i think the concept is bad, just because i like consistency, other than that, i think the arc was good. But not gonna lie i though dream was going to get that "power" and absorb so the girl would not die and he become more powerful, but anyway....And yes, the girl who slept the entire life got pregnant and had a child, i wonder what people in the hospital though about it

    I Liked Johana Constantine, but i didn't like her personality, it feels to me they tried too much to make her Jhon

    4th episode, like for many people, was my favorite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I Liked Johana Constantine, but i didn't like her personality, it feels to me they tried too much to make her Jhon
    In the original comic it was John Constantine. He, Etrigan and Martian Manhunter were significant characters during the tools arc. John Dee was the JLA villain Doctor Destiny. The 18th Century Johanna Constantine was as she appears in the comic.

    Hector Hall was the Bronze Age Sandman. Wesley Dodds the Golden Age Sandman was cut entirely.

    Seems they wanted to entirely separate the show from its DC comic roots.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Seems they wanted to entirely separate the show from its DC comic roots.
    Gaiman has indicated that while he enjoys using DC characters, the continuity stuff drives him up the wall. His example was writing a story with the Joker, and then getting told that no, can't use the Joker now because he just died in another book. He even tried "but he'll be back, he'll always be back!" and still got no because at that time the Joker was dead.

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by paxen View Post
    Gaiman has indicated that while he enjoys using DC characters, the continuity stuff drives him up the wall. His example was writing a story with the Joker, and then getting told that no, can't use the Joker now because he just died in another book. He even tried "but he'll be back, he'll always be back!" and still got no because at that time the Joker was dead.
    I don’t mind that they cut that stuff out for whatever reason. The only one I regret is Martian Manhunter. He’s one of the very few aliens we see in the comic and how he sees Dream is very, very different than how any human character perceives him.

  16. #416

    Am i the only one wh thinks Tom Sturridge looks like a young Robert Smith?

  17. #417
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  18. #418
    Glad to hear it. This was one of my favorite shows this year, I'm glad they're doing more with it. Can't wait to see more Endless.

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Glad to hear it. This was one of my favorite shows this year, I'm glad they're doing more with it. Can't wait to see more Endless.
    There's a family dinner comin' :P
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  20. #420
    I really liked the series where he gave man eternal life. This series shows how much a man loves to live regardless of his circumstances

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