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  1. #401
    If you have specific comments about this show, now that it's out, go ahead. Discussion of social agendas and politics in general are considered off-topic for this subforum. Derailing the thread by continually baiting around "wokeness" will be infracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    I never read the comics, but since pandering is the thing now, I'd like to ask, is everyone gay and half of the cast black in the comics or they wokenized this show?
    There's an entire storyline about a trans woman in the comics that was written in the 90s. The stuff Gaiman was writing in the 80s / 90s is more progressive than most of the stuff being produced today.

    If you can't handle that, probably won't enjoy this series or its overall messages very much.

    Anyway, I'm gonna check it out pretty soon. Haven't really been able to find time lately to just watch TV shows or play games. Glad to hear it's getting pretty solid reviews so far from fans of the books.

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    Netflix After Show, currently live.



    Interesting to know that they actually did do Dream as pale as he is, complete with wild hair and the basically black eyes. But went against most of it because it just looked ridiculous for the screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Netflix After Show, currently live.



    Interesting to know that they actually did do Dream as pale as he is, complete with wild hair and the basically black eyes. But went against most of it because it just looked ridiculous for the screen.
    They did the star eyes in episode 1 and it was amazing. It would have looked stupid if they kept it up all the time tho.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Oh yes the comic has tons of LGBTQ stuff in it. Gaiman even commented on that, saying he finds it weird people are bringing it up for the series when he's been doing it for 30 years.
    His name is gaiman, what do people expect?

  6. #406
    How come when offered by the old mans son later to be let out if he does not kill any of them. He still does not talk. Knowing his realm his dying ? Just finished the show and loved it, but was curious about this.
    Last edited by BetrayedOf52; 2022-08-11 at 03:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    How come when offered by the old mans son later to be let out if he does not kill any of them. He still does not talk. Knowing his realm his dying ? Just finished the show and loved it, but was curious about this.
    Dream being a bit thick is a common theme throughout the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    How come when offered by the old mans son later to be let out if he does not kill any of them. He still does not talk. Knowing his realm his dying ? Just finished the show and loved it, but was curious about this.
    Don’t think he knew his realm was dying just that there was chaos from in the moral world, he also had a huge grudge because of his bird.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    How come when offered by the old mans son later to be let out if he does not kill any of them. He still does not talk. Knowing his realm his dying ? Just finished the show and loved it, but was curious about this.
    Dream didn't really know his realm was dying... just that damage was being done to the mortal realm. When he got back to the Dreaming he was surprised at how bad things were there. And he wanted to punish the dude for killing Jessamy, not reward him. Dream was very angry... probably angrier than he had ever been in his entire existence. He wasn't going to promise not to hurt his tormentors.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    I quite enjoyed it. I like that they kept the tone from the comics, and not made it some sort of run-of-the-mill bombastic fantasy show. Really liked that the characters sometimes just had the time to slow down and talk about stuff.

    Something that kind of irked me though, was that sometimes the CGI looked pretty good and other times it was very clearly just 3 actors in front of a green screen.

    Also, people complaining about John Constantine being bi clearly don't know that character, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    How come when offered by the old mans son later to be let out if he does not kill any of them. He still does not talk. Knowing his realm his dying ? Just finished the show and loved it, but was curious about this.
    He killed Jessamy, that doesn't exactly engender goodwill. Also, Dream just didn't believe him. They've been trying to get him to just talk to them for over a century - this could just as well be the last in an endless array of ploys to get him to just do that. He would have no way of knowing whether they'd keep their deal, and risk giving up the only leverage he's had for a hundred years (his silence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    Also, people complaining about John Constantine being bi clearly don't know that character, lol.
    I don't think the complaints about the John/Johanna swap have much merit. The complaints she's not as "grubby" as John fall short, because she's Johanna; she's not a gender swap, she's an actual character unto herself from the comics, they just let her not age so she could be around in the modern era. The reasons were pretty clear; the production wasn't licensed to use DC characters the original comics didn't invent; John was an original DC character, Johanna was Gaiman's. And they cut the rest of the DC characters, and I think it's improved the early part of the story; Martian Manhunter would be weird as fuck to include in the modern era, and it never really contributed much to the original, IMO. And later, it doesn't really connect to DC much if at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Martian Manhunter would be weird as fuck to include in the modern era
    I was super happy this wasn't included. Dream just visiting the Justice League and eventually waking Martian Manhunter up to get access to their storage would have been very out of place, imo.

    Sandman got progressively further away from DC as it went on, so not including all that from the beginning is probably a bit of a blessing.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I was super happy this wasn't included.
    100%. The whole thing with DC superpowers that's here and there in the comic would feel REALLY out of place.

  15. #415
    I've just finished the show yesterday and it was a really fine watch. It's been a while since I've enjoyed some netflix tv show. The main theme is really well done, the visuals are not consistent.

    For the acting it's kind of hard to say, I didn't enjoy the character of Lucienne, I enjoyed the acting of Morpheus but his character lacks originality. One trait I did enjoy is how narration really helped having the right portrayal for Morpheus.

    Anyway, solid show that I recommended to my friends, and I'm definitely going to read the comics now.

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    Iirc, they couldn’t use John Constantine because the character is being developed by another entity which is also why they had to kill him off on that god awful Legends show.

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I don't think the complaints about the John/Johanna swap have much merit. The complaints she's not as "grubby" as John fall short, because she's Johanna; she's not a gender swap, she's an actual character unto herself from the comics, they just let her not age so she could be around in the modern era.
    Johanna Constantine is not the same Character as Lady Johanna. They're just both played by Jenna Coleman.

    https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...man-explained/

    If you believed Johanna Constantine had stumbled on the elixir of life then you're barking up the wrong tree. While it's a plausible assumption, Coleman has confirmed it to be incorrect.

    During an interview with Digital Spy she said: "No." Point blank – simple. She elaborated further, saying, "I think this is where Neil and Allan [Heinberg] came up with the idea, because obviously we have Lady Joanna Constantine, who had played this series as well. So it's the idea being: why don't we have the direct ancestor? Hence Johanna Constantine."
    When explaining his decision for the character shake-up, Gaiman told Slashfilm:

    "When we looked at what we were going to do in this whole series, we knew that we were going to have Lady Johanna Constantine meeting Dream in a pub.

    "If we're going to do that and we want a really classy actress to portray her, then we're going to have to give that actress more to do than just meet him once in a pub.

    "Given that there really weren't many women in the beginning, the idea that we could find one person and have them do both, just seemed nice and straightforward."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theangryone View Post
    Iirc, they couldn’t use John Constantine because the character is being developed by another entity which is also why they had to kill him off on that god awful Legends show.
    Except they didn't really "kill him off" on Legends. He died, sure...but he got better.

    Constantine being developed for HBO MAX may have created issues for Netflix to use the character...but it wouldn't be the same situation for the CW...since both both HBO MAX and The CW are under the Discovery warner umbrella. The CW and DCEU already have different versions of the same characters already... Like the Flash...so they could have done it again if they wanted.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    100%. The whole thing with DC superpowers that's here and there in the comic would feel REALLY out of place.
    It would be hilarious to watch the powerlevel wank online tho.

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Theangryone View Post
    that god awful Legends show.
    YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

    Legends is precious.

    It's the only fun thing the CW has produced out of their DC stuff.

  20. #420
    Just wanted to pop in here and comment. I can't read the comments, because I truly love this show so much I can't stand to see it broken down, lol.

    So, many years ago, I read the full Sandman collection and Preacher by Garth Ennis and the Swamp Thing collection by Alan Moore back to back. One of the best times in my life, lol.

    I read on yahoo several articles talking about how boring the Sandman TV series ended up and they almost talked me out of watching it. I screened the first episode alone so if it was bad I wouldn't subject my family to it.

    Let me tell you this, I watched that episode 3 times back to back, adding people each time. It was EXCELLENT, particularly because of the acting by Charles Dance and the scene with the crow(which I don't believe was in the comics, was it?)

    Since then I have watched about an episode a day and I have been blown away with how awesome the show is, how accurate it is to the comics in a certain way, and how much I relate to some of the charters.

    This show made me dream again, and it's been a long time. I absolutely LOVE it, so just fyi. Carry on, thanks all. Would love to talk more but this is a show I recommend going into spoiler free. Would also love to talk about the tie-ins to other works, but again, I would take no chance of taking this show's twists away from anyone. The show is a wild and fun ride with only a modicum of shots that overstay their welcome. Good, good tv.
    Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2022-08-11 at 07:27 PM.

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