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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeOculus View Post
    So blizzard caves in from that whining of limited horrific visions and coalescing visions.

    Shame.
    They didn't cave into whining. They already said from the start that there would be catchup mechanics added along the way and this furthers that. While you could get older ranks you were essentially going to be limited by vessels as you get higher. This also helps guilds with their alts getting cloaks to help get them up to progression level in case someone swaps or someone comes back.

    Essentially Visions should've never been limited outside the weekly cap. Having the weekly cap is fine as it sets the threshold, but if someone wants to take 50 attempts to get their quest done then why not? This also lets people experiment more, practice more runs, etc. None of this is bad. I would suspect this also is because in part most people avoid Stormwind because you have a higher chance of wasting a vessel on less things than you would Orgrimmar so this gives people the ability to run Stormwind more often without fear of being behind as we are on the needing 8 pages (4 clears, less in next reset) part.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    What's your gear? My tank is like 440 and melts the mins (blood)
    My is 454 and does not melt anything (blood too).

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    My is 454 and does not melt anything (blood too).
    Weird, I just yank big groups, get all that sweet sweet runic power, pop bonestorm and things just die, hopefully you have better luck in the future!

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    This is either a catch up mechanic, or a sign that Blizzard is seeing significant numbers of people just not doing this content.
    ofc people ignore them

    why woudl people waste time on them when its already end of expansion and quest greens will replace all their gear in couple of months,

    only hting that matter are raids and mythic +

    blizzard should stop doing those stupid experiements like mage tower or visions - most players just ignore them anyway

  5. #85
    speaking as someone who will probably re-sub down the line... I.
    1. Subbed for a month 2. Got all the cloak quest stuff done 3. did my first few "free" runs 4. Did 1 daily, got 200 visions, saw it took 10,000 to pay for a single entrance, and uninstalled.

    I don't actually understand it really, grind a ton of dailies to get entrance to a place to get +2 ilvl for your "legendary" cloak whose primary purpose is to make doing runs in the place you're already in, easier? I know you get a free entrance or so from assaults each week, but aside from doing 1-2 run the expectations is to do that many dailies? To do more of something that's not very engaging in the first place?

    What? Where's the appeal? How is this at all compelling gameplay? I didn't have any expectations for this content but it was still bewildering. (I liked the story progression from the 8.3 quests just fine)

    p.s. to the guy above me MT was awesome, don't lump MT in with whatever this is
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Aekero View Post
    speaking as someone who will probably re-sub down the line... I.
    1. Subbed for a month 2. Got all the cloak quest stuff done 3. did my first few "free" runs 4. Did 1 daily, got 200 visions, saw it took 10,000 to pay for a single entrance, and uninstalled.

    I don't actually understand it really, grind a ton of dailies to get entrance to a place to get +2 ilvl for your "legendary" cloak whose primary purpose is to make doing runs in the place you're already in, easier? I know you get a free entrance or so from assaults each week, but aside from doing 1-2 run the expectations is to do that many dailies? To do more of something that's not very engaging in the first place?

    What? Where's the appeal? How is this at all compelling gameplay? I didn't have any expectations for this content but it was still bewildering. (I liked the story progression from the 8.3 quests just fine)

    p.s. to the guy above me MT was awesome, don't lump MT in with whatever this is
    1. they're fun on their own imo

    2. the upgrades also reduce sanity loss in the raid, making it a built in nerfing mechanic

    3. the last upgrade gives a pretty beefy proc, another built in nerfing mechanic

    4. it also increases the amount of corruption you can wear, making it yet ANOTHER nerfing mechanic.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Aekero View Post
    speaking as someone who will probably re-sub down the line... I.
    1. Subbed for a month 2. Got all the cloak quest stuff done 3. did my first few "free" runs 4. Did 1 daily, got 200 visions, saw it took 10,000 to pay for a single entrance, and uninstalled.

    I don't actually understand it really, grind a ton of dailies to get entrance to a place to get +2 ilvl for your "legendary" cloak whose primary purpose is to make doing runs in the place you're already in, easier? I know you get a free entrance or so from assaults each week, but aside from doing 1-2 run the expectations is to do that many dailies? To do more of something that's not very engaging in the first place?

    What? Where's the appeal? How is this at all compelling gameplay? I didn't have any expectations for this content but it was still bewildering. (I liked the story progression from the 8.3 quests just fine)

    p.s. to the guy above me MT was awesome, don't lump MT in with whatever this is
    grinding a ton of dailies is literally the lowest income of visions.

    main weekly assault 1 vessel, other zone 3.5 day assault 5500 visions, so twice a week = 11k, then in the main zone u could just do the lesser vision, 3k for your first run of the week 1.5k every day after.

    thats 90% of your income, 0 dailies done.

  8. #88
    Will they ever increase the reputation from dailies? they are freaking low for what they are used to give, on mechagon you could get around 1.2k per day

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Weird, I just yank big groups, get all that sweet sweet runic power, pop bonestorm and things just die, hopefully you have better luck in the future!
    Oh, things die, but sanity dies too. Anything above 150k health just takes forever to die.

    I don’t think I’ll never ever be able to do a full clear, masks are out of question.

    I think I’ll just give up, the stage that provides meaningful rewards is just too far.

    Hope that Thorgast won’t be timed, I hate timed stuff.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by dacoolist View Post
    Son of aaaaaaaaa - right after I did all mine hahah
    yeah i spent 5 (i screwed up one) vessels, and now if i waited till reset i would do it in 2... fuck this shit

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevied View Post
    Will they ever increase the reputation from dailies? they are freaking low for what they are used to give, on mechagon you could get around 1.2k per day
    I'm not going to do the math on mechagon but 1.2kx7 days = 8400/w or 16800x2w

    Lesser assault week its 3x125 dailies = 375x7 = 2625/w
    Pet battle = 7x75 = 525/w
    2 assualts @ 500 = 1000/w
    6x bonus obj a day @ 50 = 300/d = 2100/w
    lesser week= ~6250

    greater is 4xdailies so 500/d or 3500/w
    and 1500/w from the assault
    greater week= 7625

    so a 2w period is something like 13875 rep but it's actually more than that because you can actually do 8 days of bonus obj during the lesser week since it changes on friday, so you can do it before 7pm PST and after 7pm PST again.

    And if rares give rep that's even more, so if you're willing to grind it's probably more rep over a 2w period than mechagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeOculus View Post
    So blizzard caves in from that whining of limited horrific visions and coalescing visions.

    Shame.
    Or you could call it "Listened to feedback"

    But yeah..your post is the forum in a nutshell. They do what I like "Listen to feedback". They do what I dislike "They cave in"

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    ofc people ignore them

    why woudl people waste time on them when its already end of expansion and quest greens will replace all their gear in couple of months,

    only hting that matter are raids and mythic +

    blizzard should stop doing those stupid experiements like mage tower or visions - most players just ignore them anyway
    So....do you have a source on this? Because otherwise it is just made up stuff. From my experience I've been seeing a lot of people doing it, even those who aren't raiding. Alts they may not be, but mains they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daevied View Post
    Will they ever increase the reputation from dailies? they are freaking low for what they are used to give, on mechagon you could get around 1.2k per day
    They increased them from 75 to 125...but yeah..still feels slow as hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    I'm not going to do the math on mechagon but 1.2kx7 days = 8400/w or 16800x2w

    Lesser assault week its 3x125 dailies = 375x7 = 2625/w
    Pet battle = 7x75 = 525/w
    2 assualts @ 500 = 1000/w
    6x bonus obj a day @ 50 = 300/d = 2100/w
    lesser week= ~6250

    greater is 4xdailies so 500/d or 3500/w
    and 1500/w from the assault
    greater week= 7625

    so a 2w period is something like 13875 rep but it's actually more than that because you can actually do 8 days of bonus obj during the lesser week since it changes on friday, so you can do it before 7pm PST and after 7pm PST again.

    And if rares give rep that's even more, so if you're willing to grind it's probably more rep over a 2w period than mechagon
    Very interesting math. Wow....you may be right..and still it "feels" so much worse than Mech and Naz. Maybe I am just experiencing Doing it wrongly. My VoEB rep is like 9000 / 12 000 and Uldum 3000 / 21 000.

    If you really are right with your math..I wonder why to me it feels it sucks and is so slow. Maybe because I don't like the bonus objectives or some dailies take comparatively long

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Oh, things die, but sanity dies too. Anything above 150k health just takes forever to die.

    I don’t think I’ll never ever be able to do a full clear, masks are out of question.

    I think I’ll just give up, the stage that provides meaningful rewards is just too far.

    Hope that Thorgast won’t be timed, I hate timed stuff.
    Hey...I feel the same. Though I might feel a full clear might be possible. Masks? No way. But since ppl are doing it...I guess I am just shite...or not the average Joe that this is aimed at. The people who can do full clear with masks definitely have better gear, essences from all sources in the game that I don't participate in...but no excuse...they also are better players

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Laqweeta View Post
    I see this coming shortly.

    As long as the unsubs keep up (which they seem to be doing, hence the nerf to the grind) we should see those relatively soon.

    So hopefully people realize this now... Do not like > unsub > Blizz nerfs > better game
    Except this isn't even a grind, i'm capped on vessels nearly all the time because i have no "use" (i.e. done for the week on cloak with vessels to spare) every week. Atm i need 2 more pages for my lvl 11 cloak and i have 5 vessels in my bag and 24.600 coalescing visions. Means i need to do a vision tomorrow else i'll cap if i do anything else.

    8.3 has some mild grinds but nothing to serious compated to grinds in the past, but upgrading the cloak aint one of them. Atleast this change will make it so that i don't have to run visions when i'm not on a quest to gather pages.
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  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    They increased them from 75 to 125...but yeah..still feels slow as hell.



    Very interesting math. Wow....you may be right..and still it "feels" so much worse than Mech and Naz. Maybe I am just experiencing Doing it wrongly. My VoEB rep is like 9000 / 12 000 and Uldum 3000 / 21 000.

    If you really are right with your math..I wonder why to me it feels it sucks and is so slow. Maybe because I don't like the bonus objectives or some dailies take comparatively long

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    Hey...I feel the same. Though I might feel a full clear might be possible. Masks? No way. But since ppl are doing it...I guess I am just shite...or not the average Joe that this is aimed at. The people who can do full clear with masks definitely have better gear, essences from all sources in the game that I don't participate in...but no excuse...they also are better players
    It definitely takes a lot longer to get everything done than in mechagon, not going to deny that. And if you neglect any part of it it adds up fast, like not doing 6 obj a day means you're missing out on 2100/w

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronia View Post
    Except this isn't even a grind, i'm capped on vessels nearly all the time because i have no "use" (i.e. done for the week on cloak with vessels to spare) every week. Atm i need 2 more pages for my lvl 11 cloak and i have 5 vessels in my bag and 24.600 coalescing visions. Means i need to do a vision tomorrow else i'll cap if i do anything else.

    8.3 has some mild grinds but nothing to serious compated to grinds in the past, but upgrading the cloak aint one of them. Atleast this change will make it so that i don't have to run visions when i'm not on a quest to gather pages.
    I feel the same. I don't like SW..so I try and do the least and still carry 5 vessels and 20k CVs into next week and Orgrimmar. All the extra vessels I guess are nice for ppl who want to try out stuff and push harder areas. Which is fine if you shoot for achievements and collecting eventually these crazy 100 000+ mementos for the mount etc.

    Me? Get all the research of the archive and get the backpack transmog...should just happen casually eventually. Especially now that vessels will stack with next maintenance and I can just do the Horrific Visions when I feel like no life-ing them every other week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socialhealer View Post
    grinding a ton of dailies is literally the lowest income of visions.

    main weekly assault 1 vessel, other zone 3.5 day assault 5500 visions, so twice a week = 11k, then in the main zone u could just do the lesser vision, 3k for your first run of the week 1.5k every day after.

    thats 90% of your income, 0 dailies done.
    May I ask why you pull percentages out of your ass? You get ~64% from that. If you do all the daily quests each week you gain an additional 13000 CV, WM Off. More if you turn it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It definitely takes a lot longer to get everything done than in mechagon, not going to deny that. And if you neglect any part of it it adds up fast, like not doing 6 obj a day means you're missing out on 2100/w
    I feel like my big problem with the Vale/Uldum dailies is the fact that they have a perfect storm of bad features.

    They're absolute ass to complete (some are worse than others, but the really bad ones are beyond awful). They give very little rep. And the factions don't really give anything that important or exciting for the time and effort they take. I'm not sure a reusable rune or whatever this new one is called is something I'd call exciting or useful given how expensive it is for what it does at this stage of the game, and how easy to acquire the consumable ones are. If they only had one or at most two of these issues (bad rewards, annoying to complete, but reputation gains are fairly large per quest delivered, for example), I'd take little issue with them.

    I guess ultimately this is all optional stuff and we can just take our time with it since 9.0 is still months away, but I would appreciate being able to get exalted faster so I can do other stuff when I'm playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penegal View Post
    May I ask why you pull percentages out of your ass? You get ~64% from that. If you do all the daily quests each week you gain an additional 13000 CV, WM Off. More if you turn it on.
    ok 64% of it in 1 hour, the other 36% in like 5-6 hours, less if u literally quest and thats it, no rares for AP no extra events while doing dailies for rep/ap no mount/toy/pet farming etc.

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