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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Soz, I never got that impression about that. Being forced to live without the conveniiences of societyt o prevent the legion's return did n't make them simpletons. They worked with dragons and demi-gods in a constant state of alert, using the tools they had to to sptop anyone from using their magical well which could summon the legion nback.


    All evidence of their long vigil accomodations and behaviour seem tidy, neat and elegant, the barrow dens the druids sleep in that we see are simple but with necessities for a humanoid.

    their behaviour as we witness is anythign but uncivilised, nor is it uncultured. Their society has very strict codes of operations, roles for men and women, their priestly tradition is unchanged from high society to the long vigil, and many of those highly civilised night elves make the best of their new situation, which changes after 10,000 years, where w e do not see them create mud huts andbamboo shoot abodes, nor tear thier pey with their bare hands.

    no they construct eleganta homes, and start rebuilding cities and temples when their long vigil ends.

    Their fighting styleis quite aggressive, and is savage, for sure, as it should be if you're a feral druid in an animal form or a sentinel nenraged by the stench of demonic corruption and use to fighting foes you can't be civilised about ..i.e. demons, but I have yet to see a night elf behave l ike a savage or an animal.

    You have races like Quillboar, Wild worgen, Saberon - tha'ts what you're thinking, and one look at the night elves shows you even the forest dwelling druids are nothing like that, teh female sentienl and huntresses aren't either, and by no means would any highborne or temple priestess be like that.

    Just saying.

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    Elves should have been their own faction. Night elvs are a huge race, to be bottled up as human yes men.

    SEe how the Zandlari are written, Talanji and her peopel are pretty independent of the horde, they're ont "Yes, Warchief" , we are yours to command - people, they are a proud independent people.


    Yeh, horde has changed, in the start, night elf views were very different, they were the "pure good", benevolent race, of elvs who'd done civilization to an extent that eclipsed Silvermoon and Quelt'halas which are the best the modern world had to offer. Thequarrels of young races would have seemed childish and petty to them, when they were about preventing inter-dimesnional planet killig armies like the leigon, or globally rsetoring and guiiding the evolution of the world with AZerothan guardians.


    Even joinig the humans, coming out of isolation just felt wrong. I guess blizzard felt the horde would be less likely. As it was also an impossible conception for the high /blood elves at the time. No one expected it, and many people had problems with the blood elves going horde. But blizzard was very claer they wanted more people to play the horde and were going to put an attractive race. So they did the blood elf there, and changed tis model which was a night elf based model btw.. up until TBC, All elves shared the same model (with racial variations - i.e. high/blood elves were a litlte shorter , pale skinned and upright ears, but it was the same model/faces etc - just go check out classic. They then really enhanced the blood elf, making it th sort of thing we find cool or attractive in characters - hence the anime/barbie doll style, more conventional.

    AFtert hat, it was possible to imagine the night elves on the horde. Tauren druidsm did not exist till wow either, it was purely a night elf vision of nature love tied in with its arcane and nature dualiity - remember even in the long vigil state, the arcane was still the centre of the night elvs, they are from it, the Well of Eternity was the main thing with their story, and Nordrassil was the tool to keep it hidden, not the main focus. THe moonwells , its waters were another key feature of the elves, and thier existene in the era that we saw them in their introduction in WC3 to end in the same event was dedicated in part to protecting and hiding the well, to stop people from using it and calling htem.

    It's not blizzards fault that people don't read their lore about the race sadly and thing night elves are only forest elves when they had a very clear dark elf arcane side and warcraft 3 was the end of an era for them, so they could tell a new stage - which sees a 10,000 year old race begin to recover and return to what it originally was.. giving them the opportunity to show you far more about them than forest elvenhood. Which they do.

    Everytime they develop the night elves, they've shown cities (Darnassus in classic), the arcane (moonwells, highborne in 1.1, then joining in 4.0), demon hunters (also in classic, tbc, cata, then in Legion), Priestesses, wardens, sentinels.

    They are meant to have a very unique feel to them that's different both from the horde and alliance... and it is. They're not a savage feral folk like Worgen, contrary to what @Fetus Rex seems to think, but they have a hint of that, but also they have civilization, city style and culture, as well as forest one - they have the full range of living - and in an elven way - what you would expect elves to have, when it's rural, it's simple, but elegant in an elven way, when it's city, it's intricate and elegant , beautiful (look at Darnassus, look at Suramar, look at Zin'Azshari, loko at what ll the ruins hint at).

    THe way they do both rural and civilization is unique, with a unique world, the night world, a moon goddess, thier own enemies tied to them, the legion, their fallen kin in the naga and satyr - even their magic and nature is done different to the horde and alliance.

    Night elf mage magic - is very arcane star and moon based contrasting to alliance frost/fire emphasis
    Night elf nature - is very deep forest magical in contrast to shamanism elemental.

    The way it's done is different, it makes them a whole new world, they've got their own flying mounts, hippgryphs instead of Gryphons or Wyverns, their own bestiary set tied to Kalimdor and the broken isles - Sabers instead of horses or wolves.

    Whereas blood elves feel pseudo human, not least because same skin colour approach, night elves feel more exotic, more a different race with further degress of separation like purple/dark skin (not human black which is a brown, but a deeper purple/gray/dark) and even when they are lighit skinned, it's different it's more a whitish or purple hued skin tone, not ot mention being taller but just more intensemagically wise, less associated with the way humans do civilization.

    You get the same feel with the draenei - though they went with the futuristic feel for them. Both night elven civilization, properly shown in Suramar through th enightborne and Argus/Shattrath/Karabor - they all feel different to how human is presented in wow. The most similar t humans are teh blood elves sort of half way between night elf (nightborne) and human.

    This is entirely intentional, everything is more primal, more "original" more vibrant.. almost like the pre-historic age when dinosaurs and tress were gigantic and vibrant- reflecting that the night elves were about then. this is what htey aimed for.
    There were others using arcane, Legion did not come because of it. They regressed to nigh quilboar state. It's just that as Elves they are more intelligent.

    In comparison to Highborne they are low civilisation, low culture mongres who live in tree huts. they do tear their enemies with bare hands though.
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    Wearing more quantity of clothes is not more civilized, that's something invented and engrained in real world cultures.

    It's merely a fashion they have.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    There were others using arcane, Legion did not come because of it. They regressed to nigh quilboar state. It's just that as Elves they are more intelligent.

    In comparison to Highborne they are low civilisation, low culture mongres who live in tree huts. they do tear their enemies with bare hands though.
    Ah, you're being in character, I forget that happens in here too. Almost fits a blood elf, except they would know that the highborne have returned to Darnassian society.

    Not triggered though a little amued. Just in case you are being serious though, it's very simple, Highborne are also night elves0
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Ah, you're being in character, I forget that happens in here too. Almost fits a blood elf, except they would know that the highborne have returned to Darnassian society.

    Not triggered though a little amued. Just in case you are being serious though, it's very simple, Highborne are also night elves0
    Very few rejects from who were hidden in the jungle. More mad than not.

    Too few to change anything for good.
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  5. #85
    Honestly I don't see any appeal in playing NB. There is one big problem I have with them - they ALL LOOK THE SAME. There is hardly any difference between them, talk about army of clones.

    Even if the playable models were faithful to NPC they'd still have serious issues with making them stand out. the reason why Zandalari look so appealing is because they have good variety of options to make them look unique, there is much smaller probability in finding identical looking Zanda than with NB.

    They had nice chapter in Legion, and the music was nice in that hideout hub. But as a race on their own they don't really look that impressive to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramz View Post
    Honestly I don't see any appeal in playing NB. There is one big problem I have with them - they ALL LOOK THE SAME. There is hardly any difference between them, talk about army of clones.


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  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramz View Post
    Honestly I don't see any appeal in playing NB. There is one big problem I have with them - they ALL LOOK THE SAME. There is hardly any difference between them, talk about army of clones.

    Even if the playable models were faithful to NPC they'd still have serious issues with making them stand out. the reason why Zandalari look so appealing is because they have good variety of options to make them look unique, there is much smaller probability in finding identical looking Zanda than with NB.

    They had nice chapter in Legion, and the music was nice in that hideout hub. But as a race on their own they don't really look that impressive to me.
    I struggle to find the differences between the blood and void elf females more so than I do oin nightborne males, but thier customisation options are as uninspiring as the male night elf ones... and yes I play one of those still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Very few rejects from who were hidden in the jungle. More mad than not.

    Too few to change anything for good.
    Well, they are clearly not rejected - the whole point is their accepted.
    Definitely not few, they've built up the caste.
    Definitely not mad either - uncorrupted was the term used to describe them.

    There seem to be a lot of night elf mage npcs around if you count the ones shown in WoD, BFA assaults, cinematics, those with the Kirin'tor in Legion - and thsoe are teh Darnassian allied ones, incluiding their shen'dralar leader, there is also an entire zone of highborne in Azsuna under a curse by Queen Azshara, and the Moonguard of suramar, who survived with aremanant after the nightborne attack.

    How many Illidari do you think there are? or Void elves for that matter - yet illidari is a night elf cusotmisation, and void elves an entire allied race.

  8. #88
    I barely even see these guys in game anymore (for good reason, their models are half baked ass). Seems they turned into vulpera.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphrel View Post

    elisande looked pretty savage in the beta be4 they white washed her.

    I guess the idea of a race of black addicts didnt lend it self well to todays pc climate..
    That is obviusly while under some sort of effect...

    But hey, everything to feel attacked hm?

    On topic: Yeah i was also a bit miffed, that the Nightborn do not look like the ones ingame... they could have at least altered the eyes to fit their brethren...
    The females are... ok but the males... horrible... evolution has played a mean prank on them.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I struggle to find the differences between the blood and void elf females more so than I do oin nightborne males, but thier customisation options are as uninspiring as the male night elf ones... and yes I play one of those still.

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    Well, they are clearly not rejected - the whole point is their accepted.
    Definitely not few, they've built up the caste.
    Definitely not mad either - uncorrupted was the term used to describe them.

    There seem to be a lot of night elf mage npcs around if you count the ones shown in WoD, BFA assaults, cinematics, those with the Kirin'tor in Legion - and thsoe are teh Darnassian allied ones, incluiding their shen'dralar leader, there is also an entire zone of highborne in Azsuna under a curse by Queen Azshara, and the Moonguard of suramar, who survived with aremanant after the nightborne attack.

    How many Illidari do you think there are? or Void elves for that matter - yet illidari is a night elf cusotmisation, and void elves an entire allied race.
    They were for thousands of years.
    Castles can be build with magic.
    Which means mad by NE standards.

    Those can be new ones. Undead don't count.

    Nightborne are Highborne or rather they were until revolution. Now they are a pleb too.
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  11. #91
    Fetus, I Know you're trolling me, but for the sake of those who might actually believe you,
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    They were for thousands of years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Castles can be build with magic.
    Which means mad by NE standards.
    Mad, by night elf standards? says who? why? how? Not only is that totally false Fetus, it isn't logical either. Think! Why would any night elf consider building anything mad? Especially for a race that loves to create and loves making their stuff beautiful.

    What evidence have you seen that night elves (regardless of what their discipline or following is) consider building stuff mad! And what reason would they have for that.

    Those can be new ones. Undead don't count.
    Let's look at this logically.

    1. If they don't count - In this scenario there are still many other very alive night elven highborne including the player - this is not just an npc group or caste , and every mage night elf player is one - a highborne, just like every night elf demon hunter you play is an Illidari. Yet the demon hunter has a customisation that reflects this, the highborne does not. You still have Darnassian and Shen'dralar highborne ones. The game has shown you schools of night elf novices, lots of returned Darnassian Highborne and Shen'dralar ones (look at Darnassus, Stonetalon mountain, Azshara, Feralas - check out the mage npcs in WoD, check out the night elf mage casters in BFA cinematic, check out the night elf mages in the Assaults on Zuldazar and Kul'tiras, check out the night elf mages in Broken Isles and Azsuna (the twins who are live), not the entire zone full of cursed highborne. Check out the night elf in the Mage Order hall. There are more NElf highborne than there are Illidari or void elves.

    2. You can't really say "they don't count" - because for the purpose of my reply, they are highborne and further proof that night elf are highborne. But I know I'm being trolled anyway.


    Nightborne are Highborne or rather they were until revolution. Now they are a pleb too.

    Some Nightborne were, not all. And we are not sure how they consider themselves in regards to the kalorei. Do they consider themselves a new class of night elf, with the designation Shal'dorei - or do they consider themselves a new race of night elf hat is called Shal'dorei - in either instance, do those amongst them that are highborne still wear the designation after the change?

    The question is more important because their culture has stayed the same for nearly 10k years.. the lore says they preserved a culture pristinely. . It must be the culture after the changes around when the shiled went up.. i.e. Elisande leads instead of Queen Azshara, and the priesthood is gone. However the rest of th e kaldorei urban culture is what is maintained.


    Which means they would keep the same hierarchies and structures, attitudes etc, but just like they gave themselves a new name, would their elite class be called something else now? The fact that they have lower classes tells us a few things, those who are highborne are no longer the elite few amongst millions if not billions of elves, would highborne mean the same thing? or Kaldorei? I suspect it does, but it depends on what blizzard wants to to show them as.

    Are they going in the vein as a night elf sub-race or in the vein of a totally new race of night elf - It should be theformer given how too much is the same.. Suramar, the night, the kaldorei arcane culture etc, however that has never stopped a gropu from having new beginnings and moving away from their routes to become something even more unique from the kaldorei and the highborne.



    Highborne has always been a kaldorei thing, when you think of highborne you think of the night elf civilization and it's ruling elite, you don't think of Nightborne or high elves, instead you think of them as what they are, high elves or ni
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  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Fox View Post
    I barely even see these guys in game anymore (for good reason, their models are half baked ass). Seems they turned into vulpera.
    Eh tbf, I never saw that many Nightborne players to begin with (especially males, for obvious reasons).
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    Eh tbf, I never saw that many Nightborne players to begin with (especially males, for obvious reasons).
    My fella plays both a night elf and a nightborne - and both are males.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]Fetus, I Know you're trolling me, but for the sake of those who might actually believe you,
    Mad, by night elf standards? says who? why? how? Not only is that totally false Fetus, it isn't logical either. Think! Why would any night elf consider building anything mad? Especially for a race that loves to create and loves making their stuff beautiful.

    What evidence have you seen that night elves (regardless of what their discipline or following is) consider building stuff mad! And what reason would they have for that.



    Let's look at this logically.

    1. If they don't count - In this scenario there are still many other very alive night elven highborne including the player - this is not just an npc group or caste , and every mage night elf player is one - a highborne, just like every night elf demon hunter you play is an Illidari. Yet the demon hunter has a customisation that reflects this, the highborne does not. You still have Darnassian and Shen'dralar highborne ones. The game has shown you schools of night elf novices, lots of returned Darnassian Highborne and Shen'dralar ones (look at Darnassus, Stonetalon mountain, Azshara, Feralas - check out the mage npcs in WoD, check out the night elf mage casters in BFA cinematic, check out the night elf mages in the Assaults on Zuldazar and Kul'tiras, check out the night elf mages in Broken Isles and Azsuna (the twins who are live), not the entire zone full of cursed highborne. Check out the night elf in the Mage Order hall. There are more NElf highborne than there are Illidari or void elves.

    2. You can't really say "they don't count" - because for the purpose of my reply, they are highborne and further proof that night elf are highborne. But I know I'm being trolled anyway.



    Some Nightborne were, not all. And we are not sure how they consider themselves in regards to the kalorei. Do they consider themselves a new class of night elf, with the designation Shal'dorei - or do they consider themselves a new race of night elf hat is called Shal'dorei - in either instance, do those amongst them that are highborne still wear the designation after the change?

    The question is more important because their culture has stayed the same for nearly 10k years.. the lore says they preserved a culture pristinely. . It must be the culture after the changes around when the shiled went up.. i.e. Elisande leads instead of Queen Azshara, and the priesthood is gone. However the rest of th e kaldorei urban culture is what is maintained.


    Which means they would keep the same hierarchies and structures, attitudes etc, but just like they gave themselves a new name, would their elite class be called something else now? The fact that they have lower classes tells us a few things, those who are highborne are no longer the elite few amongst millions if not billions of elves, would highborne mean the same thing? or Kaldorei? I suspect it does, but it depends on what blizzard wants to to show them as.

    Are they going in the vein as a night elf sub-race or in the vein of a totally new race of night elf - It should be theformer given how too much is the same.. Suramar, the night, the kaldorei arcane culture etc, however that has never stopped a gropu from having new beginnings and moving away from their routes to become something even more unique from the kaldorei and the highborne.



    Highborne has always been a kaldorei thing, when you think of highborne you think of the night elf civilization and it's ruling elite, you don't think of Nightborne or high elves, instead you think of them as what they are, high elves or ni
    Mad because of living in nigh ruins in jungle for ten thousand years.

    Uncorrupted by NE standards means mad.

    There are very few of them. And now they are pleb ruled by their serfs.

    All of them were Highborne. They continued the arcane tradition.

    When I think of Highborne I think of Highborne. The Kaldorei were subelves, a lesser sort.
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    Mad because of living in nigh ruins in jungle for ten thousand years. [/quote]
    Wrong group is mad then.

    Because Eldre'thalas was pristine up until 1,000 years ago and SLOWLY fell to ruin, when you go there and drive the night elves out as a horde character, they aren't even completely ruined.

    The Hyjal Kaldorei are the ones that lived amongst ruins for 10,000 years, if anyone is crazy because of that, it would be them first before the highborne.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    Uncorrupted by NE standards means mad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post

    There are very few of them. And now they are pleb ruled by their serfs.

    All of them were Highborne. They continued the arcane tradition.

    When I think of Highborne I think of Highborne. The Kaldorei were subelves, a lesser sort.

    Now we talked about trolling.
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  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Mad because of living in nigh ruins in jungle for ten thousand years.

    Wrong group is mad then.

    Because Eldre'thalas was pristine up until 1,000 years ago and SLOWLY fell to ruin, when you go there and drive the night elves out as a horde character, they aren't even completely ruined.

    The Hyjal Kaldorei are the ones that lived amongst ruins for 10,000 years, if anyone is crazy because of that, it would be them first before the highborne.



    Now we talked about trolling.
    [/QUOTE]

    1k years is more than enough to go mad. And they went mad the moment they started to live in that jungle.

    All of them are crazy. Kaldorei are the craziest of them all. Bloody Night Elves!
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  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    you either ride a mount or RP walk...you do not run like some sort of a peasant or a brute! Show some god dam class

    Indeed, old chap! We also need more chauffeured mounts, like the heirloom chopper, or an option to summon 2 passenger mounts with a chauffeure riding it and you in the back of it. How else am I supposed to RP a snobby BE or NB properly, when I have to steer my mounts myself, like all those filthy peasants?
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  18. #98
    Well, i think they are the most ugly elf race.

    Bloodelfs > Void elfs > Nightelfs >> That abnomination

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonfer View Post
    Well, i think they are the most ugly elf race.

    Bloodelfs > Void elfs > Nightelfs >> That abnomination
    A bit extreme don't you think? The nightborne douse night elf faces, even though they end up coming out a bit worse off, especially on the males, but the females look very nice.

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    A bit extreme don't you think? The nightborne douse night elf faces, even though they end up coming out a bit worse off, especially on the males, but the females look very nice.
    If you like duck face then sure.

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