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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Then its not p2w. Unless that advantage is something they cannot earn in game, then its not p2w.
    Most people define it as getting an impactful advantage that unfairly improves your chances of winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    i do, and its sitting in my bank bcs with 2x +% to crit and 1x haste proc (which have together the same amount of corruption which i want to keep at reasonable levels) i do more dps...

    and thats despite the fact my prefered stat is mastery, and haste is on bottom...
    The point was about the time consumption to get the specific piece.

    Twilight Devastation is by far the best M+ corruption for many specs (if not all, im not sure).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    which if you consider corruption outside of "ranking" of which gives you most pure dps, is not true with corrupted gear
    But that's besides the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    You can apply this rule to corruption gear.
    False.

    It's not about the corruption gear. It's about the ease of obtaining gold. One of the fundamental flaws in the "Tokens are p2w" is the unfounded assumption that tokens represent the preferred method of acquiring gold. They are not. And they cannot be based on the way in which tokens actually work - in that the gold actually comes from other players.

    The prices of corruption gear are not set according to what people who buy tokens are likely to have - they're set according to what people who are good at making gold in the game are likely to pay.

    If I am making 10M gold a month off the AH and I use that gold to buy a bunch of powerful BoE's that is not p2w. And honestly, I am not going to give a shit about anyone who depends on tokens for gold, my real competition in buying that epic is going to be from other AH goblins.

    This discussion would be very different if Blizzard sold gold directly (eg 1M gold for $10), or if they sold BoE's directly (eg $50 for a BiS BoE). But they don't. The system they have in the actual game is very different, on a number of fundamental levels, to p2w

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    I think P2W is only a thing in pvp games, personally. If someone wants to spend 5000$ or play 24 hours a day to kill a boss faster, I really don't care, nice dedication bro.

    But if I'm starting a pvp season and then someone appears with some OP stuff they bought from an in game store while I have to go grind for it and kills me 10 times in a row, then yeah, that's just cheating. You've never really been able to do that in WoW to any consequence, so no, not P2W.

    P2W in WoW is like someone who bought an account that was parked at 2k with full pvp set getting carried to Glad, which is highly frowned upon.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    The point was about the time consumption to get the specific piece.
    the specific piece is useless if you have few few "worse" pieces, which you get incredibly easily...
    thats why there is corruption and bad effects and ressistance, you could get 5 pieces of gear with devastation and they would be USELESS, as you can only equip one (unless you want to top the corruption and die of slight breeze)

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    but it doesnt take years to get corrupted items, you actualy have 2 GUARANTEED per week... if you actualy play ofc
    I am probably wrong but in my mind people who buy 470+ gear at AH are players that don’t play tons of hours per week.

    I play one hour per day and not even all day, all I get more or less for sure is the 460 +9 chest every Wednesday.

    People playing 4-5 hours per day all days do not need to buy anything, probably.

    But we are derailing. Technically it’s possible to buy huge upgrades with real money. For me it’s a non issue given the cost and the fact that boes are rarer than a 0,1% mount drop, but it’s indeed possible.

  6. #346
    Simple awnser; No it’s not pay to win. And never will be. Anyone thinking it is is just a dumb person. Giving alternative methods on how to obtain something is not by definition p2w. When the only method on obtaining an abbilty/item that increases your power thats p2w. Which wow does not have. So close this thread. And move on

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  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    I am probably wrong but in my mind people who buy 470+ gear at AH are players that don’t play tons of hours per week.

    I play one hour per day and not even all day, all I get more or less for sure is the 460 +9 chest every Wednesday.

    People playing 4-5 hours per day all days do not need to buy anything, probably.

    But we are derailing. Technically it’s possible to buy huge upgrades with real money. For me it’s a non issue given the cost and the fact that boes are rarer than a 0,1% mount drop, but it’s indeed possible.
    eh, technicaly you can buy the huge upgrade, but if you play enough its easily impassable, and if you dont its utterly useless
    i think buying that gear (unless aiming for world first) is like a stupidity tax...

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    This discussion would be very different if Blizzard sold gold directly (eg 1M gold for $10), or if they sold BoE's directly (eg $50 for a BiS BoE).
    I'm not in any discussion.

    Originally I just stated that in WoW it is a possibility to easily obtain very powerful items by using real life money.

    I don't care about tokens etc.

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    I just ran Waycrest Manor on an alt for the World quest/430 item, and I was #1 on the meters by a large margin. Its a good thing WoW is pay2win now, my alt and her level 1 cloak would not have been able to win the game otherwise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    If you get an unfair advantage in pvp it makes the game unbalanced.
    Are you trying to argue that PvP ladder placings are determined by who spends the most $$ on tokens with which to buy BoE's? That's ludicrous.

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    the specific piece is useless if you have few few "worse" pieces, which you get incredibly easily...
    For me Twilight Devastation is much much better than any other corruption (also per 1 corruption) in M+. The difference between having that corruption or not, is huge. I need that corruption to be really competitive in high keys, and it can potentially take me a long time to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    If you get an unfair advantage in pvp it makes the game unbalanced.
    Just bow out.. bunch of mongoloid zealots struggling to hang onto a game thats a shadow of its former self..
    Let's look at the test results. You are a horrible person. It says right here, you're a horrible person. We weren't even testing that. Don't let the horrible person thing get you down though. Science justified your parents choice to abandon you.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Are you trying to argue that PvP ladder placings are determined by who spends the most $$ on tokens with which to buy BoE's? That's ludicrous.
    Nope never said that. But it can make some situation unbalanced.

    You are having an argument with yourself. I'm not participating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    Just bow out.. bunch of mongoloid zealots..
    It's okay, I'm bored right now anyway.
    Last edited by Kaver; 2020-02-25 at 11:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    It's okay, I'm bored right now anyway.
    Your tolerance for stupid is enviable.
    Let's look at the test results. You are a horrible person. It says right here, you're a horrible person. We weren't even testing that. Don't let the horrible person thing get you down though. Science justified your parents choice to abandon you.

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Except it hasn't spiked token trading. Just as the AH mount didn't spike token trading. Better check for the boogeyman under your bed next.

    https://wowtoken.info/
    I'd be more inclined to gracefully admit I was wrong about this without the spiteful "check the boogeyman" comment. So instead, how about you piss off?

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    Your tolerance for stupid is enviable.
    It's a good skill to have in life. No need to stress over something like that.

  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    For me Twilight Devastation is much much better than any other corruption (also per 1 corruption) in M+. The difference between having that corruption or not, is huge. I need that corruption to be really competitive in high keys, and it can potentially take me a long time to get it.
    i play frost dk, so for me twilight devastation is the strongest corruption there is, by a huge margin
    yet not when you compare it to 3-4 WORSE corruptions i have on other items

    sure, it can be different for other classes, i dont know what you play but i seriously doubt that one devastation is so much stronger than multiple different corruptions that would make you unable to compete...

  19. #359
    I imagine it is. Just look at the race for world first. Competitors have people transferring to every server to buy every BoE and all materials they need to craft items. Sure, it's hidden behind a mask of "gold debt" but what's really the difference between gold and dollars anymore. The "gold debt" is paid for by selling runs again for "gold" to keep it legit in the eyes of Blizzard (aka they get a cut). But within all that web dollars are being turned into gold and real world services that in turn have a real monetary value. Not to say this is illegal or against the ToS as its being done (as long as dollars are laundered though gold so Blizzard gets it's cut) but it does mean dollars though gold have a big impact on who "wins" thus paying to win is just a reality of today's game. People will use the "things like this always happened" line to skirt around the truth but all that means is this problem is older and longer lasting rather than none existing.

  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    i play frost dk, so for me twilight devastation is the strongest corruption there is, by a huge margin
    yet not when you compare it to 3-4 WORSE corruptions i have on other items.
    For me it is. I get a much higher dps per corruption ratio with Twilight Devastation.

    So having 75 corruption of Twilight Devastation will give me a MUCH higher performance than having 75 corruption of anything else.

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