This argument would make sense were it not for the fact that a token transaction is not just about Blizzard giving you gold for money, but that at the other end, a player is buying a token for gold. So in effect, you're not really paying Blizzard for gold, you're paying another player. It's a closed system, which means that the token market is self limiting.
In other words, no, Blizzard can't just make tons of BoE's and expect tokens to fly off the shelf. Because the system doesn't work that way.
You dont need to cough out anything to raid, you just need to not be shit.
World First Race has nothing to do with the raiding scene.
The top 100-200 guild will still kill the end boss 3-4 weeks after without coughing out anything close to "millions".
You are all just insanely low skilled players that found the latest scapegoat to blame for your lack of progression as usual with mmo-champion posters.
At least, with some of you the lack of knowledge shows, and you arent to blame much, but some other posters, dear god the delusions and irrelevancy.
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It’s in the grey area. It’s not P2W per say, you can’t physically go to a blizzard store and buy gear but if you wished to you could buy tokens and buy something off the AH, which obviously has some RNG attached to it.
Can’t say I’ve even looked on the AH at BOE’s this expansion. Do people actually pay 3 million gold via tokens for a piece of gear than you can go get in mythic +’s?
Because if so, they need serious help, spending hundreds of real life monies on that.
I love your enthusiastic approach to people here, but I'm not even raiding. Everyone wants to win in something in wow. Region first, server first, guild top dps, "I just wanna be better than Jerry!". There is a competition on all levels, not just in WF. PvP with these items?
Citation?
More likely, it's the definition of people who want to use "Tokens are p2w" as a strawman, because they're incapable of winning an actual "tokens are bad" argument.
If it's an insignificant issue, then why argue about it? I'll tell you why. Because these people can't come up with an argument to demonstrate that tokens are bad, so instead they'll strawman.
The common understanding of p2w in other MMOs etc. is gaining an impactful advantage based on real life money.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...erm=pay-to-win
To me it's an insignificant issue. I don't care. And I'm not arguing for anything, I was just answering the question "can you in WoW pay real life money to get an impactful in game advantage?" and the answer is simply: Yes, you can.
PvP and high end is the right argument, but only for a month or two. It's just plain vanity for the rest of the game. Since corruptions are soft-capped, you'll hit a good one eventually and call it a day. And until then you'll rarely find a situation where it makes a relevant difference, other than for your e-peen.
Ok, so I just followed your link:
"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items than everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
Sorry, but my definition is properly aligned with that, yours is not.
And does that make tokens p2w? No, no it doesn't.
Why? Because it doesn't make the game unbalanced for those who don't pay.
As I keep saying, p2w isn't about simply being able to buy something for $$. It's about needing to do so in order to have a reasonable prospect of keeping up.
It can’t, I don’t know if you’re crazy misinformed or intentionally misleading and derailing the thread. Corruption doesn’t deal 30-50% of people’s damages hell I barer see it over 15 when you look at overall dps from a key or something else that takes longer than 5 seconds
Actually I did not say that.
You claimed that it was a "mainstream definition". As in, used by others. Others, who I pointed out use it as a proxy for a "tokens are bad" argument. I never said you were trying to make that argument, rather that it was a poor definition.
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The question is "Is it p2w?"
So you've strawmanned.
Well done!