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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    So why are you discussing them in this thread?
    Because someone was wrong on the internet.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post



    I'm avoiding the type of guy who says "Well I only do 1 dungeon every week, but I'm still a very good player bla bla bla..." because they are lying.
    Those lying mythic raiders who do 1 m+ dungeon a week !!! Damn them all !!!

  3. #223
    If you don't want to stay in a group, then you are free to leave. Its a game. If the rest of the group makes you feel like you don't want to be there, then you are free to leave. Anyone trying to tell otherwise is not thinking clearly.

    I do a lot of m+ and sure, sometimes its frustrating that for example a random dps pulls two packs on bolstering and group ends up with some giga mob that kills the group and afterwards the same culprit leaves and the group disbands. But who cares, really? Its a game. If you can't handle that sometimes the game doesn't go your way, you are playing the wrong game. If you have problems with queue time to dungeons, then you are playing the wrong game (or spec).

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    Experience is important and a person who only do 1 dungeon a week cannot have a lot of experience. You're not a good player based on my standard because you lack experience. You might know your class well and can do a lot of damage, but you don't have experience with all the tricks in all the dungeons and I don't want a person like that in my group. Also, why would I invite someone who don't actually enjoy doing the m+?
    It depends what you need. If you need Pushing >20 keys? Sure thing, don't invite me.
    +15 keys? Easy peasy.

    It's just once a week and BFA is what? More than a year old. It would be unwise thinking that someone don't have enough experience, who know his class, would make any problems in a dungeon.

    Anyway, I wasn't strictly talking about the whole M+ scene, just S4. Even though I've finished every dungeon in previous season on +15 timed(with much worse gear), sometimes I'm still being declined on +10-13 keys because of the r.io score. But I don't mind, I'm usually finding people and do the keys.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Iem View Post
    Yeah no, you dont know the people I am talking to so dont act like you do because what you're saying isnt true.
    They make their own groups fine without you.
    It is true. You cannot be good at M+ if you don't have a lot of experience with M+... it's the same as every other thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    It's just once a week and BFA is what? More than a year old. It would be unwise thinking that someone don't have enough experience, who know his class, would make any problems in a dungeon.
    I have seen this very often. Maybe because I run a lot more keys than you do. Those people who don't have experience often cause problems even in a simple +15 key. Especially in the dungeons which people don't like to run like Siege, King's Rest, Shrine etc. Or ranged people who don't know very basic mechanics like baiting the green stuff on the first boss in Freehold.

    And again, if there is 20 dps applying for a group, why would anybody choose the ones with low experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    Those lying mythic raiders who do 1 m+ dungeon a week !!! Damn them all !!!
    It's all good. I know a lot of them myself, and I completely understand people who don't want to run M+. But there is no reason to lie about and say that they know everything when they don't. Because they cant. Because knowing "everything" requires experience. And since they only run 1 dungeon a week they don't have the experience.
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  6. #226
    It's all good. I know a lot of them myself, and I completely understand people who don't want to run M+. But there is no reason to lie about and say that they know everything when they don't. Because they cant. Because knowing "everything" requires experience. And since they only run 1 dungeon a week they don't have the experience.

    I´ve run 1 or 2 +8 key dungeons a week for more than a year. RIO would say I´m fuckin noob, wich I´m not because I´ve seen all dungeons at least 10 times. But yeah im lying right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapmaster View Post
    Honestly that should be locked in system for mythic+ so they can't bring their "friend" inside it. That's the douche move they had to do to waste your time and "borrow" ur your damage. What the actual fuck...?

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    I had this few runs with sisters with ppl that doesn't know the mechanics and wipes. Like how the fuck are you here in this mythic+ 10 in first place? Some of them bought mythic+ runs carry to boost their I.O scores. Ok cool see ya *abandon group* I stopped doing mythic+ 10 above cuz ppl that likes to troll or don't do the mechanics or poor performances dead weight is a huge turn off.
    So I got a slight one up to this scenario. Just now got out of a heroic nyalotha. It was a half and half some learning some not. Which is fine, ppl coming back to work with the 100% xp buff and isolation, I get it. But check this.

    We kill hivemind after two wipes, get to Raden. Ppl ask the usual question "anything I need to know here?". But I tell them Raden is unique it is the same as normal. And then comes the response. Oh I haven't done this fight on normal. Honestly even then I was like sure it's ok benefit of the doubt and what not. So I direct them to hazelnuttys link for a quick 5min vid on the fight.

    Some people just decline to watch it and some outright lie. Because after giving a 10min break and multiple ready checks. The first guy that gets void collapse. Runs out of raid and dies. Projectile missed and later wiped cuz ppl with electric leash didn't spread. Gg.
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  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlokh View Post
    I´ve run 1 or 2 +8 key dungeons a week for more than a year. RIO would say I´m fuckin noob, wich I´m not because I´ve seen all dungeons at least 10 times. But yeah im lying right?
    The thing is that you only have experience at +8 key level. And that is not much of an experience, regardless of how many runs have you completed.

    At +8 level you can still be pretty relaxed when it comes to soaking dmg from bosses/mobs. Its not like you will die, at mst they hit you for 20%hp which heal covers in one gcd. However when you go to say +15, the very same mechanics that you have learnt to ignore are now life threatening. It is completely different game and requires different approach. Unless you go into those higher keys, you will struggle as the difference in high level runs compared to +8 bracket is drastic. And no matter how big of wow prodigy you are, in the first few runs you will struggle. And that is precisely why people will pass you over, since they would be looking for player who is already aware of the dynamics of high level key run.

  9. #229
    I just have a rule i dont invite anyone that applies as a group. You can almost bet unless they are super undergeared that they are going to be immature if things go south.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    Imagine having this happen when in my shoes. I spend 3 hours just trying to find a group because I dont have a 2k io score, or I'm not 475 for a +10, dont even know why IO shows your alts when no pays attention to your linked main on there, my main is 475 btw. I can't even play my alt anymore cause of how people are now.
    Make your own group. Its pretty easy to do. That way you can choose the players to carry you instead of hoping to get carried.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  11. #231
    That's why I have my 4 mates to do a 15+ or higher. Simply to avoid pugs, r.io, leavers and stupid/bad players.

    It's such an easy solution.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    So I got a slight one up to this scenario. Just now got out of a heroic nyalotha. It was a half and half some learning some not. Which is fine, ppl coming back to work with the 100% xp buff and isolation, I get it. But check this.

    We kill hivemind after two wipes, get to Raden. Ppl ask the usual question "anything I need to know here?". But I tell them Raden is unique it is the same as normal. And then comes the response. Oh I haven't done this fight on normal. Honestly even then I was like sure it's ok benefit of the doubt and what not. So I direct them to hazelnuttys link for a quick 5min vid on the fight.

    Some people just decline to watch it and some outright lie. Because after giving a 10min break and multiple ready checks. The first guy that gets void collapse. Runs out of raid and dies. Projectile missed and later wiped cuz ppl with electric leash didn't spread. Gg.
    you cant really blame them .

    if you play constantly you should be realisticaly at 452-455 itlv just from emmisaries/WF/dungeon event.

    depends on luck

    so ofc some of them might not have done it on normal .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    you cant really blame them .

    if you play constantly you should be realisticaly at 452-455 itlv just from emmisaries/WF/dungeon event.

    depends on luck

    so ofc some of them might not have done it on normal .
    i didnt until they declined to watch the vid or lied about it.
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  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    or maybe its time to admit that game is overtuned for majority of audience and its time to make separate tournament realms with compeltly separate difficulty from rest of game.
    This might be one of the most inteligent things I have ever seen said on these forums.
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  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlokh View Post
    I´ve run 1 or 2 +8 key dungeons a week for more than a year. RIO would say I´m fuckin noob, wich I´m not because I´ve seen all dungeons at least 10 times. But yeah im lying right?
    You have enough experience for +8. Which you score reflects, it doesn't say noob for +8 but noob for +15. There are so many abilities by trash mobs that instagib you in +15 you can't outgear, you will die a lot because in +8 you can ignore most of the stuff and have no experience what to actually avoid.

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    lol what was passive aggressive about that?get over yourself dude,he makes a perfectly valid point,btw you dont need to raid lead when making a normal nyalotha pug group,just take 20 minutes to look at a video about figths,if someone fucks up badly kick and replace,its normal...its literaly usualy easier than lfr cause of the types of people joining,and often you see high ilvl people joining just for the coruption drops or to help friends,also there is no power creep in this patch as titanforge is gone,if anything many people have lower ilvls because of coruption items,and i have seen plenty of nya pugs that are ilvl apropriate

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    this is some brilliant logic you got,fuck over other people because they dont play how you want lol,people can ask for whatever ilvl they want,plenty of other groups outthere that dont ask for exagerated ilvl's,also...making your own group isnt passive agressive,its a valid solution

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    actualy ilvl tells you way more these days,no titanforge means no lucky people squeezing by only if you buy boosts,in fact ilvls tend to be lower this patch because of corruption,im 479 total ilvl but i use 415 gloves
    aka ilvl tells you nothing since corruption matters more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    I do that and I'm certainly not lying. Just one dungeon a week for cache and that's all. I see no other reason why should I do more(not like I have enough time for that). But it's your opinion and you're entitled to have it.



    Gimme your battle-tag!
    Because realistically you probably aren't that good at M+ if you only do one a week. There are a lot of things you need to know at higher key levels that just don't matter at lower ones.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    You have enough experience for +8. Which you score reflects, it doesn't say noob for +8 but noob for +15. There are so many abilities by trash mobs that instagib you in +15 you can't outgear, you will die a lot because in +8 you can ignore most of the stuff and have no experience what to actually avoid.
    This is the thing most people don't want to admit about their exp. In lower keys tank or heal can carry hard, but when you go into higher keys, you will notice tons of new mechanics in the dungeon which essentially does not exist in anything under +15 with ilvl of 460ilvl. Did a junk on my 450 mage while I main a pala tank. Stuff hurts, you have to know when to use defensives/pots/LoS otherwise some unavoidable mechanics can bring you to critical level and a grevious will just kill you if healer is busy saving tanks ass from bolstered mobs. Not even talking about knowing what to CC/interrupt on trash packs which becomes extremely crucial because tank/heal needs support from dps instead of just taking every spell to the face and using a minor to recover.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Because realistically you probably aren't that good at M+ if you only do one a week. There are a lot of things you need to know at higher key levels that just don't matter at lower ones.
    What do you mean by "that good"? Anyway, we were discussing the +15 keys at max problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    I have seen this very often. Maybe because I run a lot more keys than you do. Those people who don't have experience often cause problems even in a simple +15 key. Especially in the dungeons which people don't like to run like Siege, King's Rest, Shrine etc. Or ranged people who don't know very basic mechanics like baiting the green stuff on the first boss in Freehold.

    And again, if there is 20 dps applying for a group, why would anybody choose the ones with low experience?
    And I totally agree. I mean, seriously, it's understandable.
    I'm just saying it's weird, for example, not getting an inv for +13, though you've already done +15, but you got lower r.io.

    Just an example:
    If I only do FH/TD/WM each week in the new season at +15, then I probably have much more experience in that dungeon than someone who just does different dungeons at +10 but has higher r.io.

    I would certainly invite a person who has done ~5-10 +15 runs of TD for +13 TD instead of someone who has higher r.io just because he has done every other dungeons at +10.


    Anyway, because of the quarantine I think that I'll try to boost my r.io score anyway, just for fun, because I like doing dungeons but in the last season I didn't have that much time for doing that.
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  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by majesta View Post
    This might be one of the most inteligent things I have ever seen said on these forums.
    thanks but in reality its just copy paste idea from King's Avatar novel/anime.

    imagine a realm where all those who want to prove they are wearing big boy pants could prove it.

    ofc it should offer compeltly unique rewards for those who dont fail in process.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    I would certainly invite a person who has done ~5-10 +15 runs of TD for +13 TD instead of someone who has higher r.io just because he has done every other dungeons at +10.
    Yes and this is experience. Tbh I don't care about the rio score itself. I only care about the experience. And if someone has done 50+ +15-20s for example, I don't care about the rio score much. There just happen to be a correlation between rio score and number of finished keys, because most people don't just do the same 3 dungeons in my experience. But I also value people who actually want to do M+ and not just for the reward.

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