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  1. #81
    So Anduin gave Turalyon what is effectively his job. Nice. And dafuq is Genn smoking saying he can't think of anyone whose aim would rival the Dark Rangers? Undeath didn't give them +5 to aim, they were already stellar archers when alive. Maybe he has onset Alzheimer.


    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    its called hating on anything wow related even when nothing is there because iz wat dem kewl kidz do deez dayz
    Except Sylvanas' motivations in BtS already conflicted with her motivations in A Good War which was also released prior to BfA. Then everything she has done in the expansion clashed with her motivations in either of the above more and more until the end of the faction war storyline (and Blizzcon material) happened and threw those motivations into the garbage. Also, Illidan and Before the Storm retconned a boatload of prior lore as well. War Crimes and Tides of War also had some inconsistencies. It's almost as if Blizzard had terrible track record when it comes to writing - starting with their consistency - and wasn't simply a victim of victimization by "kewl kidz". Shocking theory for sure, but it's up there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    If you think having a character be incongruent from book to gams is a new thing I don’t really know what to say you clearly weren’t paying attention to the whole flip floating jiana problem of tides of war and war crimes.

    Nothing meaningful has changed from when those books were released to now.
    Right. Because the entire motivation of one of the key characters that drive the story forward right now is nothing meaningful indeed. Also, it took you one reply from @Magical Mudcrab to move your goalposts from "those books haven't been retconned within an expansion" to "nothing meaningful (which given the above, is so vague and arbitrary to the point of meaninglessness; and likely by design) has changed".


    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    I understand some people see Zekhan as a meme character and having him getting protagonism may annoy them. But how many new and young characters do we have?
    We have four different Darkspears that acted in a representative manner in regards to their tribe and they are all underdeveloped as fuck despite being actually important to their people. Meanwhile Zekhan is turned into a hero because he followed Saurfang around like a dog.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    Hell, Saurfang started as out as a meme character due to the mind control bug and he became his own character. Zekhan was at least planned beforehand
    And what a stellar character he was.


    Quote Originally Posted by bullseyed View Post
    Right, which is why Sylvanas didn't use the plague ever, and the Wrathgate didn't happen.

    And also why there was no rebellion against Sylvanas and Garrosh, both are still warchief today. And also why Vol'jin never led the Horde after leading a rebellion. List goes on and on.
    People having the capacity to rebel is in no way an argument against the scope of a ruler's authority. People can rebel in the Alliance too. And Garrosh wasn't Warchief during WotLK...


    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    He was never made to be a joke/meme character blizzard already stated that he had a planned story use before the community picked up on him at all.
    Except the community picked up on him and turned him into a meme months before Blizzard and their planned story for Zekhan even gave him a name.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

  2. #82
    People complaining about having to pay to see a story that should be in game is kind of silly... I mean, It'd be better if it was in game, but most of the people never read a single quest or a single dialog... also complaining about it is kinda silly because it will most likely be like BfA where in Before the Storm, they only briefly touch the azerite and the book centers a lot more on the forsaken-human meeting that takes place.

    The real events that started the whole faction war was something that was explained on a free story published by blizzard on their website

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Right. Because the entire motivation of one of the key characters that drive the story forward right now is nothing meaningful indeed. Also, it took you one reply from @Magical Mudcrab to move your goalposts from "those books haven't been retconned within an expansion" to "nothing meaningful (which given the above, is so vague and arbitrary to the point of meaninglessness; and likely by design) has changed"


    You Really don’t know what moving a goal post means do you? Mud crab didn’t bring up any actual retcons, sylvanas’s motivation changing Or not matching up isn’t a retcon to any thing in BTS as characters aren’t set in stone and they can and do have changes in Mind, plans, ect. So mudcrab brought up something unrelated to my original point and I addressed it that’s in no way shape or form moving away from my original X expan didn’t retcon Y book goal post.

    As to the meaningful part that’s just another case of you making stuff up instead of going off the actual post. Mud crab supposed that something had changed with blizzard saying that chronicles was from the titans perspective and that sylvanas had changes in motivation. I pointed out that characters having changes in motivation has been a thing since tides of war/war crimes with jiana flip flopping between angry and not, the lack of meaningful change is in regard to character changing stances/motivations from one showing to another it had nothing to do with retcon as you don’t have to retcon any thing to have a character have conflicting emotions or have trouble settling on what they want to hold to.

    Any way if you want to point out any actual retcons I’ll happily concede the point about there being none or you can waffle on about moving goal post even though you don’t know what it actual entails if you want.


    Except the community picked up on him and turned him into a meme months before Blizzard and their planned story for Zekhan even gave him a name.

    Old solider was in the works before the community ever saw him Mabye you believe that they made him his own model(cgi) got a voice actor and put him in to be a one off but I’m not buying that bridge.
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  4. #84
    LoL this is trash XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    *raises hand* -all the time. -Hopefully this time they will actually be delivered on time.
    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    People who loves reading and likes this kind of stuff, like me for example, I don't see the problem of liking this
    Sure, I like reading too. But why the preorder? I mean unlike with videogames, you have no benefits by preordering a book over just buying it when it's out.
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    "As Zekhan and Talanji work to save Bwonsamdi, their journey will be a key turning point in bolstering the Horde against the coming darkness and finding themselves along the way. Failure to save their allies and the trickster god will surely doom them—but through success, they may rediscover what makes the Horde strong."

    This small part, tells me that Bwonsamdi is going to survive, as it basically says: "If he dies is DOOM!!!!" and we can't have that, though the fact that Bwonsamdi realm is a dungeon makes me wonder if:

    A) She tries again

    B) Cut the powers of Bwonsamdi, to a point

  7. #87
    It really reads like fanfiction, but that might be because of the subject matter being hard to take seriously and have a good narrative touch to. I honestly think it'd be better to have more experimental writers doing the books, because the excerpt was just drab and boring. While choosing an excerpt with some exciting or inviting pitch is fine ("What does Sylvanas want in Zandalar? hunt down Sylvanas!"), if there's no good sense of style to it, it ends up being boring and sterile.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilux View Post
    It really reads like fanfiction, but that might be because of the subject matter being hard to take seriously and have a good narrative touch to. I honestly think it'd be better to have more experimental writers doing the books, because the excerpt was just drab and boring. While choosing an excerpt with some exciting or inviting pitch is fine ("What does Sylvanas want in Zandalar? hunt down Sylvanas!"), if there's no good sense of style to it, it ends up being boring and sterile.
    It's pretty awful. It's very over-wrought and the conversations are stilted - which is common with WoW books. I read, a lot. Always have. I've tried to read the WoW books, it should be a no-brainer for me, but they're just terrible. The excerpt here seems like the author uses a plug in for Word that used random words from a thesaurus - "The fetor of the..", it's just trying so hard to be elegant. I rate these as lower than Dan Brown and the DaVinci Code - which was pure hack writing, and awful.

    But, let's be honest, they are fan fiction - it's just professional fan fiction. Fan fiction can be good, for the record - but this isn't. It's stilted and posturing. But I imagine authors who have any talent wouldn't want to go near anything like this, and it probably doesn't pay that well - I've noticed the guys and gals who do these game-related books crank out books constantly, they seem to work in a quantity over quality framework.

  9. #89
    Oh look, artificially manufactured suspicion and hostility between the factions to keep up the least interesting creative pretense in the game.

  10. #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I do seriously hope for the nth time that certain characters get a crumb of relevance again, like Nazgrel, Arechron, Akama, Vereesa, Jorin, Leoroxx, Drek'thar, Auric, Koltira, Thassarian, etc.
    Oh yeah, what even happened to Auric? Should he not be happy that her idol Alleria is back? I mean, its not like he used to lead the Allerian Expedition….
    We each walk a line. Choose yours.

  11. #91
    "We have four different Darkspears that acted in a representative manner in regards to their tribe and they are all underdeveloped as fuck despite being actually important to their people. "

    This guy here got it.

    We already got good characters with lore, that have been around since War 2. But lets make Zappyboi a sudden hero!
    At least build the shitty tier character. Make him give quests around. Make him arise from soldier to lieutenant or something. This is bad lore.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Oh yeah, what even happened to Auric? Should he not be happy that her idol Alleria is back? I mean, its not like he used to lead the Allerian Expedition….
    nothing much, just sent a team of island privateers (though I seriously believe the third member should've been a Highborne instead of a Human to match the elven then [High Elf, Highborne, Night Elf])

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Caring about WoW lore in 2020... Lol.

    None of it matters. They'll just say "UH DUR, THE STORY WAS ONLY FROM MANKIRKS POINT OF VIEW DUR, THE JEDI ARE ACTUALLY EVIL"
    Your Alliance player impression is spot on. Well done.

  14. #94
    I don't have to read to tell you whats going on in this story the same as in other Blizzard story previews: .......................... NOTHING.

  15. #95
    Books are usually released about 3 months before the expansion right? It seems indicative of a November release if we want to infer that much from it.
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    The only lies here are the bullshit coming from you. RBG appears to be immortal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post
    "As Zekhan and Talanji work to save Bwonsamdi, their journey will be a key turning point in bolstering the Horde against the coming darkness and finding themselves along the way. Failure to save their allies and the trickster god will surely doom them—but through success, they may rediscover what makes the Horde strong."

    This small part, tells me that Bwonsamdi is going to survive, as it basically says: "If he dies is DOOM!!!!" and we can't have that, though the fact that Bwonsamdi realm is a dungeon makes me wonder if:

    A) She tries again

    B) Cut the powers of Bwonsamdi, to a point
    Maybe she hurts him so severely that he can't direct souls to his realm, or she steals souls from his realm to weaken him?

    That paragraph gives me hope that he ends up surviving. I really don't want to have him die
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    Everyone asks 'who's Bwonsamdi?' But no one ever asks 'HOW'S Bwonsamdi?'...

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Maybe she hurts him so severely that he can't direct souls to his realm, or she steals souls from his realm to weaken him?

    That paragraph gives me hope that he ends up surviving. I really don't want to have him die
    I only hope we get a dialog option on his dungeon where we can laugh about him needing help like the mf laughed of us when we die in zandalar, i will fucking pay money for that, also for killing him, nobody likes a jerk that laugh of your failure/getting gangraped

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Blizzard have been making books based around the game since 2001. You are aware of that?

    Day of the Dragon, Lord of the Clans, The Last Guardian all came out between Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3.

    Cycle of Hatred and War of the Ancients came out between Warcraft 3 and WoW

    Plus there were more WoW books, comics, and short stories released areound Vanilla to MoP than any other expansion

    Novels
    Rise of the Horde
    Tides of Darkness
    Beyond the Dark Portal
    Night of the Dragon
    Arthas: Rise of the Lich King
    Stormrage
    The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm
    Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects
    Wolfheart
    Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War
    Dawn of the Aspects
    Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde

    Comic Series
    World of WArcraft Vol 1, 2, 3, 4
    Ashbringer
    Bloodsworn
    Dark Riders
    Curse of the Worgen
    Pearl of Pandaria

    Manga
    The Sunwell Trilogy
    Warcraft Legends 1
    Warcraft Legends 2
    Warcraft Legends 3
    Warcraft Legends 4
    Warcraft Legends 5
    Deathknight
    Mage
    Shaman

    And don;t get me started on the webstores, all found on Blizzard WoW site.

    Now all of a sudden its gotten to one book per expansion and NOW people are crying that this should be in game?

    This is a good comment! Wish I could upvote

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Sure, I like reading too. But why the preorder? I mean unlike with videogames, you have no benefits by preordering a book over just buying it when it's out.
    You won't believe it but with wow ussually amazon get's out of books when it's out, at least if I preorder it I will get it the next day it comes out. But the main reason is I'm hyped, I always like the books blizz gets out and I don't have a problem giving the money now or when it comes out, it's the same for me, since I'll read it.

  19. #99
    "and every time Poochie isnt on screen the characters need to ask 'wheres Poochie?"

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    Fan fiction at best. Some will enjoy it and eat it up tho

    I can’t stand the peaceful hippy horde, I prefer sylvanas and wc2 horde.

    Some of us want to be the bad guys, I didn’t roll zombie evil wizard summoner (warlock) to be the hero of anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    "and every time Poochie isnt on screen the characters need to ask 'wheres Poochie?"
    Comment of the day

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