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  1. #81
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    They better do, if they fail again with Shadowlands, more people will play Classic/TBC/WotLK legacy servers, the same that happened to RS3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    But we do know. We know subscriptions are substantially down from peak (Wrath). The clearly majority of people are unhappy with WoW.

    We can argue whether the number of Retail subs is 1 million or 2 million or even 3 million, but that still leaves 9+ million people who are unhappy, left, and haven't returned.
    Yeah..you win this one.

    100 000 000 accounts created (as Blizzard themselves said - and that was years and years ago). Try again. Not 9 million left, but 97 million. Those numbers were released a long time ago..so maybe these days 150 million accounts were created and 147 million people left. So..yeah...over 95% tried and left the game.

    So what now? What does that tell us? What clever conclusions do you draw? Apparently there are other reasons behind this..I mean..they sure didn't all go to play another MMO and squashed WoW in sub numbers? Or is your conclusion "WoW is the most epic fail in MMO's since forever because so many ppl left"? Well..here is a clue...millions and millions and millions had already left during WotLK. The x-pac so hated on MMO Champion because "casualisation ruined the game"

    The headline of this topic is so naive, I want to kill kittens. Yeah.."taking time" solves everything - 12 months of ICC gave us the much beloved Cata and 15 months of SoO gave us the number 1 fan favorite x-pac WoD. Six years working on Titan apparently produced a Juggernaut that now rules the gaming world and the 12 years between Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 paid off with reverence among fans, praising it as the best game ever (well, at least it shifted 4 times as many copies as D2...so there is that...but wooo----woooo---woooo...financial success ofc only means that flies like shit)

    Yeah...the waiting time for Duke Nukem Forever also was totally worth it in the "take your time and it will be awesome" department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nak88 View Post
    They better do, if they fail again with Shadowlands, more people will play Classic/TBC/WotLK legacy servers, the same that happened to RS3.
    So what? A 15 dollar sub is a 15 dollar sub..be it to Shadowlands or Classic / TBC. The lesson to learn from that (should it happen) put even less effort into the next x-pac, because ppl rather play old stuff ^^

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    People forget we had a 14 month drought before getting WoD, which had the most cut features of any expansion

  4. #84
    Cata - Bad
    MoP - Good
    WoD - Bad
    Legion - Good
    BFA - Bad
    Shadowlands - Good!

    It's in the pattern

  5. #85
    You cant be serious.

  6. #86
    But if they don't release the game on the date the Marketing Team decided on, it will lower their stock value!

    You'll be a beta tester for Actiblizzion, and you'll like it.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyze View Post
    Cata - Bad
    MoP - Good
    WoD - Bad
    Legion - Good
    BFA - Bad
    Shadowlands - Good!

    It's in the pattern
    MoP was okayish , it's specially bad at the beginning

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyze View Post
    Cata - Bad
    MoP - Good
    WoD - Bad
    Legion - Good
    BFA - Bad
    Shadowlands - Good!

    It's in the pattern
    Your pattern is SEVERELY reversed, however. I guess some folks don't know good from bad.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    But we do know. We know subscriptions are substantially down from peak (Wrath). The clearly majority of people are unhappy with WoW.

    We can argue whether the number of Retail subs is 1 million or 2 million or even 3 million, but that still leaves 9+ million people who are unhappy, left, and haven't returned.
    there are rumors that retail numbers are even lower than that , speacially with those statistics saying that wow lost 64% of the player base since wow classic release, and will get even worse because shadowlands will only be release in August-october so more 5 to 7 months of 8.3

    so yeah this is not looking good for blizz right now

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by veurori View Post
    I was wondering whats the problem here. Blizzard should choose the playerbase. they are still talking about casual players and why they need random proc items to feel strong too but after that we still dont have essences on alts to support this ''casual play'' ideology. I think I will speak for everyone when Im saying that huge ilvl upgrade proc or corruption is not interesting for anyone. it makes stressful situations for solo players and for guilds too. I dont mind waiting for a year on new expansion just take everything properly and remove bad things. dont be scared to ask players in beta testing what they like and what they want. support class fantasy, you dont need to make 5 new abilities for every class to feel unique. give them new class mounts for hard content, give them something like T sets. just give us something interesting. We dont need new feature every patch to not be able to handle alts at the end of expansion. we just want good game and you know you can do it. you did it in a past. so please Blizzard be good again. Be the company who listened
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  11. #91
    "make the game right" is very faulty idea
    if you ask 10 ppl you get 12 ideas how the game would be "right", now which of them is correct?
    and blizz dont have 10 people to satisfy they have hundreds of thousands, milions even, who should they ask what is "right"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miross View Post
    there are rumors that retail numbers are even lower than that , speacially with those statistics saying that wow lost 64% of the player base since wow classic release, and will get even worse because shadowlands will only be release in August-october so more 5 to 7 months of 8.3

    so yeah this is not looking good for blizz right now
    "wow lost 64% of the player base"... i will not beat the dead horse by saying we dont know that as its info not from second but from at least 4th hand...
    but do we know how much of that is from classic? bcs that is the important part, a lot of classic players leaving was expected so we know a jack shit how the game is doing, be it reital or classic without numbers by blizzard, which we dont have...

  12. #92
    I don't think time is the problem. It's the mindset.

  13. #93
    Sadly, that will not happen, for a variety of reasons.
    Most importantly because "right" is not yours to define.

    But more importantly, because they can not have years without releases.
    That's just how the game works.
    It gets better over a 2 year span, then gets worse for a few months.
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  14. #94
    "Release when it's done" died a long time ago, corporate blizzard will release broken and unfinished products to fit into quarterly earnings.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontrelleroosevelt View Post
    Your pattern is SEVERELY reversed, however. I guess some folks don't know good from bad.
    You saying WoD and BFA were good or what?

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by glowpipe View Post
    Not really, considering bfa shipped with issues found the first weeks in beta. They do not listen to playfeedback
    Beta doesn't exist for changing the design based on player feedback. That is not how software development works. The majority of the work is already done by the time beta is available. Beta is for fixing bugs and fine tuning features.
    Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by veurori View Post
    is here someone who is happy with lags in nazjatar, corruption pay to win or essences forced on 1 character? I want to see that guy
    - Lags in Nazjatar are only during the battle, besides it's not like it was a fair battle to begin with.
    - There's no pay to win in corruption, you can do just fine without any, but since you get 2 corrupted part every week, it's quite easy to come by. Besides, buying the best BoE you can won't do shit, you'll just suck at the game as much as you did before.
    - I don't mind farming essences. It gives a sense of completion once you're done, and again, you don't even need R3 to be clear whatever the game throws at you but mythic.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by dontrelleroosevelt View Post
    I guess some folks don't know good from bad.
    Depends where you place your value. Let's say for the sake of argument there is someone who only cares about pet battles then MoP was probably their golden age since that's when pet battles came in then Legion and BFA with the pet battle dungeons probably make them both really great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaenore View Post
    - Lags in Nazjatar are only during the battle
    Does that make it ok?

    - There's no pay to win in corruption, you can do just fine without any
    "Doing just fine" and "winning" are different. You can do just fine in any game, p2w or not.

    Besides, buying the best BoE you can won't do shit, you'll just suck at the game as much as you did before.
    What if they don't suck and only are limited by gear?
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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    What if they don't suck and only are limited by gear?
    Such people don't exist. Method has been proving this over and over and over again. Should I remind you they clear mythic raids at ~10 ilvl lower than actual rewards from it? While scrubs having hard time while being the same or higher ilvl as the rewards? That didn't really change with corruption either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Does that make it ok?


    "Doing just fine" and "winning" are different. You can do just fine in any game, p2w or not.


    What if they don't suck and only are limited by gear?
    Define winning. If it's "do the most DPS in the whole game", then I doubt they can relate. If it's clearing every possible content, then no, you don't need BiS corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Such people don't exist. Method has been proving this over and over and over again. Should I remind you they clear mythic raids at ~10 ilvl lower than actual rewards from it? While scrubs having hard time while being the same or higher ilvl as the rewards? That didn't really change with corruption either.
    I feel like those people probably exist. You don't think there's players out there who can play well, but don't have time to get gear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alaenore View Post
    Define winning. If it's "do the most DPS in the whole game", then I doubt they can relate. If it's clearing every possible content, then no, you don't need BiS corruption.
    Of course not, if corruption never existed all the content will still get cleared. It does exist however so Blizz has to deal with claims of p2w. I do just fine but I also don't do any group content I can define winning but I can't because "winning" is different for everyone. I would imagine that winning the world first race is "winning" to the people that say corruption is p2w.
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