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    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post

    I do not enjoy Horrific Visions ...

    it's just stressful and annoying with all the stuff I gotta move out of ...

    Mythic+, a system I already despise. ...

    ... they try to tell me to "..find a group", I'm out.
    So you don't like visions, you don't like M+, you don't want to have to dodge anything, and you don't want to group.


    What exactly is there left in this game for you? Single player pet battles?

    It seems to me like you're golfing but you really hate golf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    They are perfectly fine if you are overgeared with tons of rightly corrupted stuff, talents tree of the forge completed and cloak at least 13-14.

    Of course you can 0-100 in 3 seconds with the right Ferrari.
    Actually soulsobreezy has a series he does where he get undergeared alts and sees how far he can go, most of the time not even knowing how the classes work, doing NOTHING but visions with them, to see if you can complete them using just the stuff you get from visions, plus the invasions that you are required to do, to get visions.
    so hes like 410, maybe 420 doing 5 chest clears on tons of classes, who have like level 55 neck, and only 1 or 2 essences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    I think it is a good start. I have two very big gripes at the moment:
    1. Timegating. If this Torghast is timegated like this and I can not even do it just to practise or for fun, it will feel a lot more stressful. You have less tries, thus more pressure which just sucks, especially if you fail. "Gues ill try next week" is not a fun feeling.
    2. RNG. There is too much RNG in the visions currently. Potion spawn locations, the location of the buff and what you need to do for it, the randomly spawning mob at low sanity, the time and positioning of the disorienting circle, the proc of the sanity immunity buff, etc. etc. Dumb combinations can quickly end your run and there is nothing you can do about it. There is also less room for optimization, because you have to keep every single RNG thing in mind, ruining the whole spirit.
    1. they said there would be little, plus being able to like 6-7 a week is not really "timegating" as much as having to wait each week for the raid to reset is.

    2. LOLOL what? potions are so insanely predictable. As is the buff locations, there is only 4 per map, and 2 are active at a time, and what you need to do to activate them is the EXACT SAME every time, literally you just check those areas first. 2 of them are in the starting zone, then 1 in each of the teir 2 areas.. like holy moly.

    SW- (Starting area) Kill angry bear rug/kill dude in shop (Tier 2) Run through mine room, step on green mine/kill the guild bank elemental
    Org-(Starting area) Kill gamon/kill blacksmith (Tier 2) kill shaman/open ethereal portal and kill him

    its literally that fucking simple.


    3. the randomly spawning mobs at low sanity? thats not RNG, that has an internal timer.

    4. LOLOL basic mechanics are RNG now? the disoreinting circle is AGAIN an internal timer.

    5. "Sanity immunity buff" AGAIN INTERNAL TIMER

    all of these things you are crying about being RNG ARE NOT RNG they are litertally the opposite, you just dont know how to count.

    also yes there is TONS of room for optimization, because you KNOW when these things are going to happen. that is if you actually do some research instead of crying about RNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    So you don't like visions, you don't like M+, you don't want to have to dodge anything, and you don't want to group.


    What exactly is there left in this game for you? Single player pet battles?

    It seems to me like you're golfing but you really hate golf.
    Yeah idk a single place in the game where you dont have to dodge stuff or group up, or play a spec other then your normal spec to be efficient.
    like i guess your right literally just pet battles, as even world quests mobs have aoes you gotta dodge.
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    You're making things really hard for yourself when you insist on playing healer spec while refusing to group with anyone for instanced content. Just because running solo is an option it doesn't mean you're free from having to adapt to what you encounter like everyone else. Putting a timer on things is just an easy way for designers to avoid dps-check-walls while still making challenging content. Play what you like, you do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
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    Not everyone has this intricate knowledge of the visions nor run with addons to let them know and keep track of all the internal timers for stuff to look out for and be mindful of while clearing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    You're making things really hard for yourself when you insist on playing healer spec while refusing to group with anyone for instanced content. Just because running solo is an option it doesn't mean you're free from having to adapt to what you encounter like everyone else. Putting a timer on things is just an easy way for designers to avoid dps-check-walls while still making challenging content. Play what you like, you do you.

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    Not everyone has this intricate knowledge of the visions nor run with addons to let them know and keep track of all the internal timers for stuff to look out for and be mindful of while clearing them.
    you could just.... count ya know too right?
    Also you dont need intricate knowledge to use a website called
    google.ca or .com or whatever your preface is.
    But hey i have this spell called summon infernal its so RNG, it has this weird bar that randomly gets smaller when i cast it, such RNG bullshit when i am trying to do my rotaton and my infernal just randomly comes back wtf is this.

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    I haven't played WoW in a while so I haven't tried horrific visions but they do look interesting from what I've seen. If Torghast can give talents that modify healer abilitys to do more damage (and nerf their healing spells accordingly) I could see Torghast doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    you could just.... count ya know too right?
    Also you dont need intricate knowledge to use a website called
    google.ca or .com or whatever your preface is.
    But hey i have this spell called summon infernal its so RNG, it has this weird bar that randomly gets smaller when i cast it, such RNG bullshit when i am trying to do my rotaton and my infernal just randomly comes back wtf is this.
    Are you good at keeping track of 3 timers simultaneously in your head? I don't get why blizz can't just make them visible as part of the baseline UI when they're so important - much like the dmg cd in your rotation on your action bar that you mention.

    People take to the forums to rage and vent rather than have a discussion - much like yourself. What do you expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    OP: *goes into Horrific Visions solo as a healer*

    "Guys I think Shadowlands is gonna suck!"

    Why are you trying to solo it as a healer? Why solo content as a healer? Get a group or spec enh/ele. I don't get why healers expect to be able to solo current content at the same pace as damage specs. You're being ridiculous.
    Wait, what? This is a team game--dps should have to pause and heal or eat or drink, because the mobs should do that much damage and slow them down. I don't get why dps should have some giant advantage because they are dps--or for that matter tanks. If it's a team game, then this content should only be possible in a team; if it's solo, it should be balanced accordingly. And this coming from a rogue.

    t expect to survive without a healer. If it's solo content, it needs to be done roughly equally by all the classes. Quite a few healers don't want to switch specs and blizzard should totally support that style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    Are you good at keeping track of 3 timers simultaneously in your head? I don't get why blizz can't just make them visible as part of the baseline UI when they're so important - much like the dmg cd in your rotation on your action bar that you mention.

    People take to the forums to rage and vent rather than have a discussion - much like yourself. What do you expect?
    yes lets have 80 fucking things on our screen at all times of all your abilities internal CD's


    OOOOOOOOR like we have done for 15 years.
    let people make addons and customize them so you can track only the things you want to track.

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    Yeah, it feels that way. I hate doing my weekly visions, they’re worse than island expeditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    Not everyone has this intricate knowledge of the visions nor run with addons to let them know and keep track of all the internal timers for stuff to look out for and be mindful of while clearing them.
    To be clear, the only tracker I use is a WA to tell me when Gift of the Titans is goes off (which doesn't apply for anyone but my main). Otherwise raw experience is what gets me through visions on undergeared characters with remedial class knowledge.
    I learned things, basically.

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    Switch to dps, you should be playing the class not a single spec, you're a shaman not a freakin resto shaman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    yes lets have 80 fucking things on our screen at all times of all your abilities internal CD's


    OOOOOOOOR like we have done for 15 years.
    let people make addons and customize them so you can track only the things you want to track.
    You're free to act obtuse and change the subject to try and make your point.

    If they want to continue designing the game like this they should expect people to push back when their challenging content becomes unplayable without addons like Weakaura - because they're just completely halfassing the game-UI and admittedly know that doing what that addon does makes their challenging content trivial to complete by the masses.
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    I think it will be bad. We've seen that they struggle to balance and properly, tightly tune content that can scale from 1 to 5 players and that is role agnostic.

    Either there will be specs and comps that faceroll and push way, way far in to it or it'll be faceroll even by solo healers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    You're free to act obtuse and change the subject to try and make your point.

    If they want to continue designing the game like this they should expect people to push back when their challenging content becomes unplayable without addons like Weakaura - because they're just completely halfassing the game-UI and admittedly know that doing what that addon does makes their challenging content trivial to complete by the masses.
    raids are unplayable without addons, dude if you are doing any endgame content even somewhat seriously, you are gimping yourself if you dont have addons.

    try to do a mythic raid with no one having DBM or bigwigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    raids are unplayable without addons, dude if you are doing any endgame content even somewhat seriously, you are gimping yourself if you dont have addons.

    try to do a mythic raid with no one having DBM or bigwigs.
    This isn't about raiding, but again: the requirement for these addons just to do any challenging content - that is part of the reason why less and less people care to do that content, nobody wants to keep bothering with those addons that should've been made part of the base-UI a long time ago - least of all new players.
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    Torghast is going to be D3 greater rifts. People will either love it or hate it. I just hope they don't make the mistake of making them mandatory for progression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    Horrific Visions themselves actually aren't too bad. It's combining them with corruption effects and some of the ridiculous zone effects like Scorching Feet and the slow vs Umbris that makes them really bad.



    They have to leave specific stuff out so it doesn't negate their ability to complain about it.
    Scorching Feet and Leaden Foot are the fucking worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnosh View Post
    Scorching Feet and Leaden Foot are the fucking worst.
    No, that would be split-personality. The two you mention both have visuals to inform you and to allow you to act accordingly. Split-personality does not and just suddenly boxes you in which is often disastrous if you're mid-dodge on an elite-ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    This isn't about raiding, but again: the requirement for these addons just to do any challenging content - that is part of the reason why less and less people care to do that content, nobody wants to keep bothering with those addons that should've been made part of the base-UI a long time ago - least of all new players.
    no, every addon players make should not be part of the base game.
    grow up, if you want something special you should download it.
    its not like its some hassle fit of having to spend hours to get stuff to work
    its pressing a button
    the whole point of the game is its customization
    the best thing to do is leave the base game as simple as possible UI wise, and allow players to make their own ui addons, cause imagine if someone else shitty UI was forced onto you, and you couldnt change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    no, every addon players make should not be part of the base game.
    grow up, if you want something special you should download it.
    its not like its some hassle fit of having to spend hours to get stuff to work
    its pressing a button
    the whole point of the game is its customization
    the best thing to do is leave the base game as simple as possible UI wise, and allow players to make their own ui addons, cause imagine if someone else shitty UI was forced onto you, and you couldnt change it.
    So where's this customization? I have to maintain addons for this option at the moment.

    Since you're conveniently ignoring my point and arguing subjects that weren't raised at all I'll just ignore you as well then.
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