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  1. #81
    We already know its before Blizzcon so its gonna be September at the latest.

  2. #82
    From a feeling standpoint I want it out 2 months ago. I'm so over BFA with the endless power grinds that don't make classes feel unique and the lackluster story/conclusion it provided.

    Realistically with everything going on between Coronavirus, needing testing months, and having to release the expansion at a good time so the raid release doesn't interfere with American holidays. I think it's going to be pushed until early December so the raid comes out in Janurary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorfadin View Post
    We already know its before Blizzcon so its gonna be September at the latest.
    Where are you pulling this information from because they've said nothing of the sort lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    No we haven't, you may not like the expansion but it's had a lot of content, 8.3 has been one of my favorite patches in a long time
    It can be your opinion that 8.3 is your "favorite patch", but that doesn't change how little content 8.3 actually has from a factual standpoint. His comment is fairly accurate claiming that we've been in a drought for a few months after Rise of Azshara came out, there was almost nothing added with 8.3, the raid is cool, horrific visions are cool but way too repetitive, there's a grand total of 15 daily quests per zone and they're generic kill 3 rares or open some chests BS, and 95% of the new rare spawns don't drop anything.
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    December 15th this year. Blizzard always releasing their damn expansions or major releases the literal day people go back to school. It's like they don't understand a large portion of their player base. December 15th would at least give a lot of people the winter break to enjoy the expansion without that big obligation.

    In all unlikeliness, the perfect release date for me would be mid/late July or September. Never understood why people "don't want their summer 'vacation' interrupted" with video games. Like, there's no way you're out doing something every day in the Summer. People that are gamers are gamers at all times, Summer doesn't make that magically change. And if they want to try to entice the younger audience into playing WoW again, Summer would be the time to do so when they have the most free time.
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  4. #84
    I would like to see it, as said in the old Blizzard mantra:
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  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    It can be your opinion that 8.3 is your "favorite patch", but that doesn't change how little content 8.3 actually has from a factual standpoint. His comment is fairly accurate claiming that we've been in a drought for a few months after Rise of Azshara came out, there was almost nothing added with 8.3, the raid is cool, horrific visions are cool but way too repetitive, there's a grand total of 15 daily quests per zone and they're generic kill 3 rares or open some chests BS, and 95% of the new rare spawns don't drop anything.
    8.3 does not "have little content from a factual standpoint". It may, in your opinion, have little content you want to participate in, but it has just as much content as any other patch, it even has more story content then most patches.

    And he said "August 2018", meaning since BfA launch there has been a drought, which is factually wrong.

  6. #86
    Nowhere near Cyberpunk ideally, cus Shadowlands is just not gonna win that fight.
    Your persistence of vision does not come without great sacrifice. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. There is no escape.. For the soul burns on everlasting encapsulated within infinite time. A thousand year journey at the blink of an eye... Humanity is dust..

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    Nowhere near Cyberpunk ideally, cus Shadowlands is just not gonna win that fight.
    Eh, Cyberpunk is a single player game, not really that big of a deal

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  9. #89
    when it's ready, and not a day before. I'm willing to wait in limbo for another year if it means Shadowlands will be good.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    8.3 does not "have little content from a factual standpoint". It may, in your opinion, have little content you want to participate in, but it has just as much content as any other patch, it even has more story content then most patches.
    It actually does have significantly less content than many patches over the last two expansions. This is a fact, not an opinion. Let's break it down for you since you're clearly wrong.

    8.3 offers:
    - 2 hour quest chain required to obtain your cloak
    - 2 Reps
    - Horrific Visions
    - 1 Raid
    - ~20 Daily Quests between 2 old zones that didn't get overhauled and some Open World events
    - 6 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Very few rares that drop anything other than AP/BoA tokens
    - Heritage armor for Goblin/Worgen
    - 2 Allied Races

    8.2 offered:
    - 2 hour Nazjatar quest chain
    - 45 minute Faction campaign including a story scenario
    - Multiweek chain to create your own Mech Spider Mount
    - 2 Reps
    - ~30 World Quests
    - ~20 Daily Quests
    - Open World events every ~hour including a World PvP event
    - Follower system
    - 1 Mega-Dungeon
    - 1 Raid
    - 2 entirely new zones
    - Essence System
    - Gnome and Tauren Heritage Armor
    - Pathfinder P2 to unlock Flying
    - 20 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Dozens of rares that drop pets/mounts/toys/fun on use objects
    - 2 non-Raid Meta-Achievements to unlock unique Mounts(one per zone)
    - Potion, Flask, Food update

    So already 8.3 is significantly outshined, but let's not stop there.

    8.1 had:

    - Darkshore Quest Chain that unlocked Night Elf Black Eyes
    - Quest Chain for Dazar'alor raid
    - Xal'atath Quest Chain
    - Quest chain to explain what happened to Grizzek and Saffy that granted a Pet
    - Darkshore Warfront
    - 2 New Raids
    - Blood Elf and Dwarf Heritage Armor
    - Paragon Reps
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Faction Incursions
    - Darkshore World Quests in the revamped Darkshore
    - Several new rares in Darkshore, most of which dropped a Mount/Pet/Toy
    - 5 new Heirlooms for levelers, including a EXP nerf for those players
    - 100 Reputation Achievement for a Mount and Title
    - 2 Allied Races

    WOW the last two content patches all had significantly more content. Now I'll stop there, but if you're still so sure of yourself, I'm more than willing to move back into Legion content patches for you too.
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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    It actually does have significantly less content than many patches over the last two expansions. This is a fact, not an opinion. Let's break it down for you since you're clearly wrong.

    8.3 offers:
    - 2 hour quest chain required to obtain your cloak
    - 2 Reps
    - Horrific Visions
    - 1 Raid
    - ~20 Daily Quests between 2 old zones that didn't get overhauled and some Open World events
    - 6 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Very few rares that drop anything other than AP/BoA tokens
    - Heritage armor for Goblin/Worgen
    - 2 Allied Races

    8.2 offered:
    - 2 hour Nazjatar quest chain
    - 45 minute Faction campaign including a story scenario
    - Multiweek chain to create your own Mech Spider Mount
    - Quest chain to explain what happened to Grizzek and Saffy that granted a Pet
    - 2 Reps
    - ~30 World Quests
    - ~20 Daily Quests
    - Open World events every ~hour including a World PvP event
    - Follower system
    - 1 Mega-Dungeon
    - 1 Raid
    - 2 entirely new zones
    - Essence System
    - Gnome and Tauren Heritage Armor
    - Pathfinder P2 to unlock Flying
    - 20 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Dozens of rares that drop pets/mounts/toys/fun on use objects
    - 2 non-Raid Meta-Achievements to unlock unique Mounts(one per zone)
    - Potion, Flask, Food update

    So already 8.3 is significantly outshined, but let's not stop there.

    8.1 had:

    - Darkshore Quest Chain that unlocked Night Elf Black Eyes
    - Quest Chain for Dazar'alor raid
    - Xal'atath Quest Chain
    - Darkshore Warfront
    - 2 New Raids
    - Blood Elf and Dwarf Heritage Armor
    - Paragon Reps
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Faction Incursions
    - Darkshore World Quests in the revamped Darkshore
    - Several new rares in Darkshore, most of which dropped a Mount/Pet/Toy
    - 5 new Heirlooms for levelers, including a EXP nerf for those players
    - 100 Reputation Achievement for a Mount and Title
    - 2 Allied Races

    WOW the last two content patches all had significantly more content. Now I'll stop there, but if you're still so sure of yourself, I'm more than willing to move back into Legion content patches for you too.
    You forgot corruptions and multiple other quest chains throughout the zones to further the story of the zone. There's a lot more to 8.3 than you give it credit for.

    And you overstate things for other patches flasks? Food? Really? Btw, pretty sure that 100 rep achieve was in prepatch, not 8.1. Also, 8.2 added followers, not created a whole system.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    You forgot corruptions and multiple other quest chains throughout the zones to further the story of the zone. There's a lot more to 8.3 than you give it credit for.
    Corruption is NOT content, it's a system, you have no control over the acquisition of it. What "multiple other quest chains", you mean the 5 minute ones to go out into Kun-lai? Again doesn't even remotely compare to any other patch.


    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    And you overstate things for other patches flasks? Food? Really?
    It's content because it required new mats to craft, meaning you actually had to do something NEW for the NEW foods/flasks/pots.


    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Btw, pretty sure that 100 rep achieve was in prepatch, not 8.1.
    The 100 Rep achievement was 8.1 go look at the patch notes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Also, 8.2 added followers, not created a whole system.
    1 new Follower that I didn't even put in my list.



    So again, you have NOTHING to counter what I said. 8.3 has SIGNIFICANTLY LESS CONTENT and that's a FACT.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    It actually does have significantly less content than many patches over the last two expansions. This is a fact, not an opinion. Let's break it down for you since you're clearly wrong.

    8.3 offers:
    - 2 hour quest chain required to obtain your cloak
    - 2 Reps
    - Two Horrific Visions with many rewards, achievements and ways to play.
    - 1 Raid (12 encounters)
    - ~20 Daily Quests between 2 old zones that didn't get overhauled and some Open World events
    - 6 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Very few rares that drop anything other than AP/BoA tokens
    - Heritage armor for Goblin/Worgen
    - 2 Allied Races

    - Corrupted Gear system
    - Multiweek chain to create your own Aquir Flying Mount
    - Auction House Overhaul
    - Two new M+ Dungeons
    - 26 New Mounts to Collect
    - New Dynamic questing zones that change throughout the week
    - Events and Puzzle world events that substitute world quests
    - Faction neutral world pvp


    8.2 offered:
    - 2 hour Nazjatar quest chain
    - 45 minute Faction campaign including a story scenario
    - Multiweek chain to create your own Mech Spider Mount
    - 2 Reps
    - ~30 World Quests
    - ~20 Daily Quests
    - Open World events every ~hour including a World PvP event
    - Follower system
    - 1 Mega-Dungeon
    - 1 Raid (8 Encounters)
    - 2 entirely new zones
    - Essence System
    - Gnome and Tauren Heritage Armor
    - Pathfinder P2 to unlock Flying
    - 20 Legendary Pet Battles
    - 1 Pet Battle Dungeon
    - Dozens of rares that drop pets/mounts/toys/fun on use objects
    - 2 non-Raid Meta-Achievements to unlock unique Mounts(one per zone)
    - Potion, Flask, Food update
    Your post is disingenuous. I don't think you're wrong, you've just exaggerated your point.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Corruption is NOT content, it's a system, you have no control over the acquisition of it. What "multiple other quest chains", you mean the 5 minute ones to go out into Kun-lai? Again doesn't even remotely compare to any other patch.




    It's content because it required new mats to craft, meaning you actually had to do something NEW for the NEW foods/flasks/pots.




    The 100 Rep achievement was 8.1 go look at the patch notes.




    1 new Follower that I didn't even put in my list.



    So again, you have NOTHING to counter what I said. 8.3 has SIGNIFICANTLY LESS CONTENT and that's a FACT.
    Corruption is indeed content, just because you don't like it doesn't make it not content, you do have to actively partake in it, it does lead to decision making. We get it you hate BfA and 8.3, but there is no drought going on. Even if your false claim of 8.3 "lacking content" were true, most people are still progressing the patch through their desired content.

    Don't even know why I bother, you never have anything positive to say about the game in any post.

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  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by chorx View Post
    Your post is disingenuous. I don't think you're wrong, you've just exaggerated your point.
    Few things, you're trying to be disingenuous worse than I am by double dipping like saying "26 mounts" when example 2 of them are tied to Allied races, so please don't attempt to call me disingenuous by editing my post to try and make 8.3 not look like a large piece of shit.

    1) Corruption and the Auction House Overhaul are not content. You have no control over choosing these which makes them systems which is why they are NOT on the list.
    2) M+ dungeons is literally not new content, same reason I didn't list Heroic Warfronts.
    3) I mentioned the world events many of them are copy/pasted throughout the same zone to make it look like they made the patch bigger, there were also world events in 8.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Corruption is indeed content, just because you don't like it doesn't make it not content, you do have to actively partake in it, it does lead to decision making. We get it you hate BfA and 8.3, but there is no drought going on. Even if your false claim of 8.3 "lacking content" were true, most people are still progressing the patch through their desired content.

    Don't even know why I bother, you never have anything positive to say about the game in any post.
    Content is something you do and have a certain level of control over. A system is something in the game that you have no control over. Corruption is a system, not content. It is a FACT that 8.3 has significantly less content, you're just trying to white knight when the game has nothing to do for the next 6+ months.

    As for your attempt to slander me, I have plenty of good to say about previous patches, but I'm not going to sit here and watch you outright lie about how amazing a garbage patch is.
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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Content is something you do and have a certain level of control over. A system is something in the game that you have no control over. Corruption is a system, not content. It is a FACT that 8.3 has significantly less content, you're just trying to white knight when the game has nothing to do for the next 6+ months.
    There's still plenty to do before a drought hits, most people aren't done raiding or pushing M+ or doing whatever they do outside of that. There will be a drought but we still have time on that. I ain't white knighting anything, this expansion was garbage for the first 2 patches (8.0 and 8.1) kind of ok in 8.2, and finally became good in 8.3.

    And you do have to interact with corruption, you may not have control over getting it, but you have full control of what to do with it.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    There's still plenty to do before a drought hits, most people aren't done raiding or pushing M+ or doing whatever they do outside of that. There will be a drought but we still have time on that. I ain't white knighting anything, this expansion was garbage for the first 2 patches (8.0 and 8.1) kind of ok in 8.2, and finally became good in 8.3.
    The game is in drought now though, the majority of people who play this game are not raiders or key pushers, which is fine. WoD is an amazing example of what happens when your only content is raiding and dungeons for several months.


    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    And you do have to interact with corruption, you may not have control over getting it, but you have full control of what to do with it.
    Again having to interact with it does not make it content, it's a system. The same way Titanforging or Reforging was not content, they were systems. I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand here. Content is something YOU DO and a System is something in the game that just happens and you work around.
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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    The game is in drought now though, the majority of people who play this game are not raiders or key pushers, which is fine. WoD is an amazing example of what happens when your only content is raiding and dungeons for several months.




    Again having to interact with it does not make it content, it's a system. The same way Titanforging or Reforging was not content, they were systems. I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand here. Content is something YOU DO and a System is something in the game that just happens and you work around.
    We'll just have to agree to disagree on content.

    And the people who don't raid/pvp/push m+ are going to do the same thing they've always done, pet battle, collect transmog, make gold, whatever floats their boat. The game really never caters to these people, story questlines are always short, there's never much world content outside of dailies/wq, etc. They make their own game up.

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