You guys still remember the "MORALLY GREY"? Because I sure do and it all was a big bullshit. Then again, players called it out in the beggining already, yet they kept repeating it again and again even it all was very obvious. They kept repeating the cliches and they absolutely cant do the "Show, don't tell".
Story truly was one of the weakest parts of BfA and overall on of the worst ever made for WoW.
Ooohhhh, kinky! Yes, please!
Good for you, that's not what I was expressing hope towards though.
Story delivery mechanisms and systems (quests, cinematics, effects on the world etc) =/= the story being told through those systems. Whilst I wouldn't say I'm a Negative Nancy like so many others, I'm entirely blank in terms of expectations for SL story.
Simple enough.
They clearly have no roadmap for the story
Nor any idea what the playerbase wants
This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
This comment inspired me to make this meme.
I'm sorry internet.
The rest of your post is pretty spot on but here you stumbled. Yes, Sylvanas is obviously this self aware. She has already broken the fifth wall and is in the process of breaking the sixth one. She can not only deliberately lie to the consumer but her thoughts can now travel through time and alter reality Steins;Gate style. That's why she has 20 different goals that all conflict one another yet she's meticulously executing them all at once and everything her enemies do is according to keikaku.
She wasn't assassinated. The seeds of her downfall have been planted eons before S8. It's just the execution of it was rushed as hell, as everything else in that season.
This remark would make sense only if Shadowlands was somehow incapable of having an even shittier story than BfA. But despite how hard you want to pretend otherwise, Blizzard isn't actually the god's gift to mankind and as such there is nothing preventing that from happening.
Just like there was nothing preventing BfA to have an even shittier story than WoD. So congrats, by bringing up WoD for no reason whatsoever you just showcased how you are still treating your claim how WoD is worse than BfA as objective truth despite constantly lambasting all dem "haters" of saint Blizzard for treating their own opinions as truth as well. But hey, do as I say, not as I do, eh?
Your argument amounts to saying that pretty packaging makes the storytelling good.
Opinions, how do they work. Never mind the part where the stark majority of the Horde pulled AU Draenei of the WoD's ending and simply forgot all their grievances against the Alliance on the spot. The only difference is that they did so after a Horde member made an equally shitty one-liner rather than their enemy. Great choice of a hill to die on, ye o bearer of objective facts.
Well, it's rather hard to do "show, don't tell" when you're changing direction half a dozen times and have to hamfist an explanation for your newest retcon somehow.
Maybe if we were talking about a train carrying all of the Ebola virions in the world that wrecked because it drove straight into a dumpster fire the size of Jupiter. Otherwise it's an insult to trainwrecks.
Given their track record with retcons and the like, they may have tried many things with the story but they sure as hell did not try to make it cohesive.
1. It was lazy and pure wtf-fuel, having such a lackluster "cinematic" for what was ultimately the big bad. Sure they had the showing of our character defeating N'Zoth but they could at least have put SOME effort into the end cinematic...
2. I'd call that pandering. If they went down that route, I'd like to see an arrow in Nathanos' face as well. Or an Elysium-style facial explosion, even though PG13.
let's not drop wow that low
even fanfictions are still miles better than GoT s8
But he didn't even address anything about Nathanos, like he doesn't exist, probably because Nathanos doesn't exist outside of him
Maybe the question should been what u think u'll do for ur ex-warchief next?
Then again, which wow exp had the best story ? classic for having almost no story, or wrath for having a childish story (turning Lich King to cartoon villain, but at least the story was actually stable, no plot holes nonsense, just childish)
Cata story is also ok in same wrath quality, as they turned Deathwing from manipulative to flying ignorant, but from MoP story just keep get from bad to worse, they add lot of good small details, but story just bad (also nothing as bad as WoD)
And no i'm not mocking lol pandas, more of 10k years of absolutely nothing isolated lands
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it isn't opinion WoD is bad, it is fact
U can argue that many of wow stories are bad, not well written, but WoD is the only exp that just flat out nonsense
The idea that Legion is 'one and same' across all universe, while Sargeras their own leader is different in each universe is start of crazy sh8t, now add to it that WoD is 35 years younger than our world, but it has living still normal ppl before they became demons, so we already killed Soreccar, how is he alive? What about KJ? Why he didn't warn his past self that Velen will betray him? Does that mean that every single Velen in every universe will betray KJ - who is one single entity of course, but then explain to me how exactly there is a time where a demon archimonde and a non-demon archimonde exist, then the non demon decide to be demon, what happened to the already existing demon ?
just don't try to think, u'll get a headache and brain damage
TLDR: WoD is only exp that doesn't have total crap bad story, and not just plot holes, but it is flat out doesn't make sense and can't work!
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agree, i may not be one of them but her popularity was massive
Azshara is built since wc3 as the ultimate strongest mage, and while i may not like Azshara much the naga empire and culture could easily fit an entire exp, i did wish for an underwater focus exp, instead of what we got
don't make bad publicity change something here
TBC since day one they planned to make KJ the end boss, it was called The Burning Crusade not Illidari, there is a very old interview (that no way in egypt i can google it, i may spend years in it) where they talk about how we will meet KJ before even BT out, internet was still infant and very few heard about it but that was the plan from start, to make KJ appears, exact details of course weren't final but they even planned to have sunwell
TBC raids were a mess but unlike what it seems they had clear plans for raids and bosses from start, they just f8cked up the presentation
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The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
I wouldn't call Nazi Orcs "fine". Garrosh was better than Sylvanas insofar as 1) his core motivations were relatively consistent (his character sure as fuck wasn't), 2) he was fun to hate due to how boisterous, unapologetic and in-your-face he was, 3) at some point Blizzard dropped any pretense and just said 'yeah, he's the villain" instead of dancing around the issue and 4) he was carried by a great voice actor. It still wasn't a good story that made much sense, and Garrosh still wasn't a good villain.
I have to concede your point here, she is able to lie to the readers in her own thoughts after all. Hmm... I wonder if she's able to lie to Danuser too. Maybe her actual master plan is to get him fired from Blizzard for being such a creepy stalker. That's why she's been rattling so many chains and acting so inconsistent!
She's not speaking to Bolvar in the Shadowlands cinematic but to the audience, that's why she turns her head towards the camera. When she says she'll set everyone free she means that she'll release them from the writing staff by crashing this storyline with no survivors.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.