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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonfer View Post
    .. if you want to keep me as a player:

    1.) Make Shadowlands alt friendly
    2.) Do not hide Thorgast behind a grind
    3.) Make reputations account based
    4.) Add a ton of content instead of a a ton of time gates or effort gates
    5.) Make LFR bearable, and not a wipe party
    6.) Add back PVP vendors instead of bar filling games
    7.) Remove Azerite Power / Anima Power / Artefact power / whatever power and do not replace it by a new label
    8.) Remove Titanforging / Corruption / <new name for Shadowlands> and do not replace it by a new label
    9.) Make pvp fair again
    10.) Make my playtime worthwile, give me an ongoing character progression from accessible solo or group content

    and

    11.) Be less greedy, Ion, listen? LESS greedy. Let me play what i want to play, and do not try to force me into your wet dream of gameplay. I will NEVER join a premade group for raids or dungeons.

    But as i know that you, Ion, would rather troll your customers than to listen to their feedback, it is very likely i will not going to play Shadowlands. As i know you and your alikes reactions to feedback already. You know, people asking you to remove Titanforging, and you adding Corruption. Or people telling you they like flying and you removing it. All those little meanies you thought would be funny.
    1) I completely agree. BFA has been the worst xpac for alts.
    2) Probably going to happen, dont get your hopes up.
    3) Should've been done a long time ago.
    4) Blizzard's been good with adding content since Legion. Gotta be fair.
    5) ???
    6) Blizzard knows this, they're not going to do it.
    7) Not going to happen.
    8) I'm up for something innovative, but we are not going to see innovation.
    9) When was it ever fair in the 1st place?
    10) Good bet it will happen.
    11) Ion isn't the greedy one, Activision is.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    He seemed to make a fairly rational point, and I've seen the same. Try to lay out my constructive criticism logically and reasonably, only to get met with replies out "you are lazy" and "just quit then", etc. So yeah, your response seemed a bit melodramatic to him making that point =) ...and seemed to bolster his point.
    You're wasting your breath with these guys. If anyone can't see how different having to farm daily assaults 3x per week just to do the visions just to do the content that you want (visions) vs a one time attunement.. then they will never get it.

    However here is where I do disagree with you (or whoever originally said it), this has happened before, just last expansion.

    Nethershards and Mage Tower was quite the same

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  4. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by Wavebossa View Post
    You're wasting your breath with these guys. If anyone can't see how different having to farm daily assaults 3x per week just to do the visions just to do the content that you want (visions) vs a one time attunement.. then they will never get it
    Right, because only the truly enlightened can grasp the complex nature of Blizzard's fuck you systems.

    I really don't give a shit. It's an improvement over what it was but there will always be people who think Blizzard didn't do enough. I expected nothing and got something. That's a step in the right direction. The days of Blizzard just giving you shit are done and over with. The sooner we, as a community, come to terms with this reality the easier it'll be for players to either move the fuck on from the game or accept the direction of the current development team.

    [Insert somebody calling me a fanboy for just rolling over and accepting it instead of USING BIG ANGRY WORDS to describe my hatred of Blizzard and how REAL Blizzard fans wouldn't accept this.]
    Last edited by otaXephon; 2020-03-18 at 04:04 AM.

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Basically yes. it's not fun to do, and one chance at the Horrific Vision isn't quite compelling enough to make me put my traveling shoes on to head out and waste time killing a zillion blobs first.

    What kept me in WoW previously was running dungeons for meaningful progress (rep/gear/attunments, etc), raiding with friends, and being able to pick up any of 10 alts on the server that were at max level to pug the final raid tier without having to grind the entire assault every week on all of them first so I could level each of their cloaks.

    So basically with all that gone, there's nothing about killing a zillion things to get one shot at an instance that is compelling enough to keep my sub active.
    1) As all the other haters you love to exaggerate what the objectives in the dailies are. They are not "kill a zillion blobs" but "kill 8", "click 5", "click 3". Very basical daily stuff that every blood MMO out there will ask of you in daily quests. This is the basis of repeatable content. If this repells you so I daresay you will not find an MMO you would play. Might as well stick to single players.

    2) Again just like Gonfer you pretend the Dailies somehow stop you from doing Dungeons or Raids. They do not. The Cloak has nothing to do with your ability to enter the Raid or any Dungeon. You can enter them just fine and keep doing them without ever setting foot into Uldum or Vale (beyond aquiring the cloak, which I now fully assume is too much work already)

    If you are presented with problems in this regard then they stem from the fact that because you are lazy in maxing out your characters power with Corruptions and people will notice how you fall behind the other people who have not been too lazy. In Pug groups especially you will likely be kicked but that is not the game's fault. You opt out of doing what could prevent it.
    It is the exact same thing as going into a dungeon or raid undergeared. It is not the game's fault that you feel entitled to free power increases. The option to get better stuff is there, you just need to take it.

    3) Having 10 alts and just pick one at random is not ever gonna result in any decent gameplay. No wonder you complain about dailies. I would go crazy. Any content with daily activities will becoma a chore if you so ridiculously overdo it. Again the problem is self-made. The game is not meant to be played with 10 characters at once. Pick a main, pick 1-2 alts and max those, if you cannot do that it is not Blizzard's fault.
    They build the game with a focus on people playing one character as they should. If you want to play 10 characters then it is your decision of course and you are paying the cost for it in grinding hours.
    Demanding that the game changes so that the people that stick to their mains have less to do every day just so you can keep up on your 10 alts is very selfish.

    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Are we really at a point where somebody who calls anybody with even a smidgen of critical thinking skills a "Blizzard fanboy" is a paragon of rationality? Oy.
    Nah, we passed that point month ago

    What I do not get is why these people cling to their hate so much. By their own words all of them have unsubbed a while ago. Why are they here, what are they waiting for?
    Do they actually think their constant daily whining about having to do things in an MMO will move the Devs to remove any and all grinds? Or are they just here to infect other people with their hatred?

    If you hate the game so much that all you can do is complain about any and all features of it, you should just go somewhere else.
    Last edited by Raisei; 2020-03-18 at 08:17 AM.

  6. #486
    Oh that there are still people that think Ion has complete control over things.

  7. #487
    yeah, Hozzikostas!
    quit fucking around and fix your shit man!
    Shadowlands is real world
    The Maw is China
    The Jailer is China government
    Sylvanas is Blizz

  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonfer View Post
    An effort gate is blizzards newest love child in 8.3. You know, when you have to play daily quests or scenarios first before you even are able to play horrific visions. The even greater part of an effort gate is, that you do not have to play it once (as like attunements), but over and over and over again. I am sure blizzards CFO got an orgsam when he heard about that tremendous idea first.

    I am sure they will do more of that in shadowlands. Would not wonder if they add effort gates to dungeons and raids as well.

    You want to kill "Gobble the horrible sea turtle" in a raid? Go and farm some dinosaurs first. Well, and collect some bear asses.
    New to 8.3, I'm sure.

    Not like entering Naxxramas in the original Vanilla WoW required either a) exalted with Argent Dawn or b)up to 1k Gold based on rep.

    Is that not effort gated for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    You're intentionally misrepresenting the issue, here. First, because you do not need to do any daily to unlock your cloak. And second, because you clearly don't remember having to do dungeons over and over and over again just so you could do basically the exact same version of those dungeons... only the mobs have more health and deal more damage. That's it. Nothing new. No new mechanic to worry about, save "one and a half" exception.

    And you clearly don't remember the annoyance that was the long quest chain to unlock Karazhan, and actually having to full clear Tempest Keep and Serpentshrine Cavern just so you could do Mt Hyjal, and don't even get me started on the Black Temple attunement.
    That's not entirely true. You need to do the assaults in both Uldum and Vale, as well as doing the regular Vision once. All of which turn into dailies. So, they do indeed have to do a total of 3 dailies to get the cloak.

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Right, because only the truly enlightened can grasp the complex nature of Blizzard's fuck you systems.

    I really don't give a shit. It's an improvement over what it was but there will always be people who think Blizzard didn't do enough. I expected nothing and got something. That's a step in the right direction. The days of Blizzard just giving you shit are done and over with. The sooner we, as a community, come to terms with this reality the easier it'll be for players to either move the fuck on from the game or accept the direction of the current development team.

    [Insert somebody calling me a fanboy for just rolling over and accepting it instead of USING BIG ANGRY WORDS to describe my hatred of Blizzard and how REAL Blizzard fans wouldn't accept this.]
    I didn't say it was worse, i didn't say it was better. I was saying the attunement comparison is a trash one.

    Long attunement quest that are done once to grant access to content are very different than weekly currency that are done multiple times to grant a token to do content. If anyone cannot see the difference, its a waste of time to explain it.

    If you want a better analog to requiring Assaults to farm a currency for content, look at Mage Tower.

    If you liked Mage Tower being gated behind this, then that's fine, you would probably like this system as well.
    If you did not like Mage Tower being gated and preferred when it was open (at the end of Legion), you probably wish the same for visions.

    Its just that simple
    Last edited by Wavebossa; 2020-03-18 at 11:03 AM.

  10. #490
    The biggest problem I'm having with the current game is corruption. My main doesn't get good corruption, so I'm falling behind everyone else in the guild. Guildies are 465 ilvl but because they have better corruption they can outdps me at 477 ilvl. That's my biggest gripe about how things are currently playing out

  11. #491
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    What I do not get is why these people cling to their hate so much. By their own words all of them have unsubbed a while ago. Why are they here, what are they waiting for?
    I just don't enjoy playing the game. I don't hate WoW, or Blizzard, or Ion. So it's interesting to me you would say that immediately after calling me out for exaggeration. Though I would put out there, my exaggeration was obvious as I used a make believe number "zillion". Basically it means "a lot". And I wasn't talking about the little quests, so much as that assault quest bar I need to fill up.

    Your exaggeration seems to be more dangerous as you exaggerate my motives, which is detrimental to us being able to have a conversation about this. (that being said, I'll try not to exaggerate and/or be so dramatic going forward).

    "Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
    ~ Daryl Davis

  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonfer View Post
    11.) Be less greedy, Ion, listen? LESS greedy. Let me play what i want to play, and do not try to force me into your wet dream of gameplay. I will NEVER join a premade group for raids or dungeons.
    Hahaha. This is why these forums are so funny - everyone blames monetization on Ion/his position as if he has any choice. In the real world, projects only get a budget in-line with their profitability. If there were no time gating and everyone unsubbed after no lifing the content and finishing everything in two weeks, why on earth would the company assign any additional funds to World of Warcraft? Without those funds, where would the new content come from?

    People should really stop complaining about things until they've actually had a job and understand how corporate structure works.. You're embarrassing yourselves.

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