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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Tradu View Post
    Essences are not gear, actually. They're talents. We have gear as character-specific progression, we don't need anything more. Everything other than gear can and should be account wide progression(with no advantage to having more characters than 1, just the ability to play whichever character you feel like).
    As much as you don't want to admit it essences are like gear and even the devs say this was the point. Essences essentially provide the same amount of dps that a piece of gear/trinket would and all classes have access to them. Talents typically change a rotation or playstyle of a class and is standard throughput. Essences don't fit this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    You simply cant defend Blizzard when they heavily timegate major customization options behind stupid things.

    Crap like: "Do 3 quests everyday for 20 days" for Lucid Dreams

    You are not even allowed to defend Blizzard on this. I forbid you! Stop! Now!
    Maybe if you do it the slow way. You can grind out certain objects to speed it up.

  2. #142
    No we really dont need account wide gear, if you want gear on alts you should be forced to actually play them and earn the gear.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    You simply cant defend Blizzard when they heavily timegate major customization options behind stupid things.
    Crap like: "Do 3 quests everyday for 20 days" for Lucid Dreams

    You are not even allowed to defend Blizzard on this. I forbid you! Stop! Now!

    How can you defend a grind for an essence that takes 20 days and without the ability to make it faster...
    then don't get it.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Yeah you are right, It's shown us that Blizzard are starting to cave to the idiots of the community that think their Alts should be on the same power level as their mains 24/7
    If you need help learning how to read English well enough to actually understand the patch notes regarding essences, rosetta stone is free for students right now. You just need your parent to log on and claim it for you.

    If I were still a kid, i'd take advantage of it too.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Kehego View Post
    then don't get it.
    Because of a stupid game design...yeah.

    This is not whining about having to do work.
    Whis is whining for Blizzard not even allowing me to do work and jerking of the idea of making you play the game everyday for 20 days guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Maybe if you do it the slow way. You can grind out certain objects to speed it up.
    How much of a speed up are we talking?
    Because rank 4 takes about 3 months KEKW

    I cant even imagine someone with rank4 lucid dreams. This person must really love nazjatar

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    This person gets it!
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    What I don't get about people wanting to skip grinds on alts; don't you people make alts so you have something else to do? That's what I do and since this isn't Team Fortress or Overwatch where you can just switch your character on the fly, well, you get my drift. I don't need another infraction.
    I make alts to either raid from a different perspective or to have other options in case my primary class gets nerfed. Gear isn't needed for this I can gear up a character in a week via M+ the essences on the other hand took a solid month.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    How much of a speed up are we talking?
    Because rank 4 takes about 3 months KEKW

    I cant even imagine someone with rank4 lucid dreams. This person must really love nazjatar
    Rank 4 is sped up and can get it in a month since you can do it on multiple characters.

    Here's the breakdown that I wrote awhile back. Getting Rank 2 in a week is possible so Rank 3 would take roughly ~2-3 weeks at max. Similar to a lot of the essences if not shorter.


    • Dailies - 2100 XP (300 XP x 7 Days)
    • Ancient Reefwalker Bark - 300 XP (100 XP per follower) Weekly
    • Naga Deployment Orders - 450 XP (150 XP per follower) Weekly Chests / Mrrl
    • Giant Crab Leg - 50 XP per turnin
    • Fathom Ray Wing - 50 XP per turnin
    • Eel Filet - 50 XP per turn in
    • Reefwalker Bark - 60 XP (20 XP per follower)
    • Unusually Wise Hermit Crab - 75 XP Mrrl

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Because of a stupid game design...yeah.

    This is not whining about having to do work.
    Whis is whining for Blizzard not even allowing me to do work and jerking of the idea of making you play the game everyday for 20 days guaranteed.

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    How much of a speed up are we talking?
    Because rank 4 takes about 3 months KEKW

    I cant even imagine someone with rank4 lucid dreams. This person must really love nazjatar
    I mean I haven't earned any new essences this patch save uldum/vale, and I have lucid r3 on several toons. Najatar dailies take what, 10 minutes? Unless you're a fire mage on mythic n'zoth you're pretty much fine with r1 lucid anyway.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Tradu View Post
    Essences are not gear, actually. They're talents. We have gear as character-specific progression, we don't need anything more. Everything other than gear can and should be account wide progression(with no advantage to having more characters than 1, just the ability to play whichever character you feel like)
    Ignoring the fact talents aren't account wide, essences are part of the Heart of Azeroth, which is gear. Talents are something inherent to your character. Unequip the Heart of Azeroth and tell me how many of those essences you can use. Being able to upgrade a piece of gear doesn't make it stop being gear.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaetha View Post
    Ignoring the fact talents aren't account wide, essences are part of the Heart of Azeroth, which is gear. Talents are something inherent to your character. Unequip the Heart of Azeroth and tell me how many of those essences you can use. Being able to upgrade a piece of gear doesn't make it stop being gear.
    yeah I dunno how this guy doesn't think essences are gear.
    They are quite literally trinket effects, albeit more powerful.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormvind View Post
    Guardian druid has basically been reduced to swipe spam for your attack abilities, you can't afford to use maul because it costs rage that you need for ironfur.
    You forgot to mention all the other abilities a guardian druid has an actively uses.

    The guy I quoted claimed all abilities were removed. Never happened.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    Blizzard never gutted a class of all of their abilities. Never happened.

    Legendaries and Azerite gear hasn't given new abilities to any classes.

    No essence power is rented from a previously removed class ability.

    Yikes. 3 out of 3. Think carefully about that.
    You've been playing a different game than what I've seen then. Either that or you're being unreasonably literal.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    You simply cant defend Blizzard when they heavily timegate major customization options behind stupid things.
    Crap like: "Do 3 quests everyday for 20 days" for Lucid Dreams

    You are not even allowed to defend Blizzard on this. I forbid you! Stop! Now!

    How can you defend a grind for an essence that takes 20 days and without the ability to make it faster...
    https://youtu.be/jv9sDn_2XkI

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    There are people who like to play end game content with alts and perform close to their main.
    Than those people play wrong game and WoW as MMORPG game simply isnt game for them. Advice would be go play something els like LoL or PoE.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    There are people who like to play end game content with alts and perform close to their main.
    Then put in the time to get there.

  17. #157
    There are a lot of factors playing into why you cant get up to speed. A big part of it happen to be essences. Corrupted gear perhaps plays a bigger role. And if you add in, not exactly getting the right i-lvl of gear, but the right secondary stats and Az traits. I spent October thru January on the sidelines and I am still not caught up. When I am 440 everyone else is 460, when I am 450 everyone else is 470. There is no true catch up mechanism in BFA which is one of the many endless issues with BFA. For example, I have a 420 druid, if I do an emissary quest I get a 415 az piece (useless), if I do a BG maybe I get a 425 piece or maybe I dont. If I do an M+ on the low end, I'll probably get something useful, but good luck into a M+ Pug at 420.

    The bottom line is Blizzard needs to stop progressing alts at slow increments. If you're 385, 410 or 420, at this point in the xpac, why not give players a 440 or 445 for an emissary quest (just like what everyone else gets). Instead they slow progression, kill motivation and add to player frustration. Whoever designed the gear system in BFA needs to be fired or sent on a Kandy Krush project.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    What I don't get about people wanting to skip grinds on alts; don't you people make alts so you have something else to do? That's what I do and since this isn't Team Fortress or Overwatch where you can just switch your character on the fly, well, you get my drift. I don't need another infraction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Than those people play wrong game and WoW as MMORPG game simply isnt game for them. Advice would be go play something els like LoL or PoE.

    People also play alts because the class and specs are completely different, alongside their roles.
    While WoW doesn't do easy switches like these, FF14 does. So it's not like it's alien to the (successful) MMO market.
    Last edited by KrayZ33; 2020-03-21 at 10:25 PM.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    Anyone who thinks account wide essences are essential for playing alts are on the wrong track.

    "Yey my alt gained rank 3 essences and now I do 2-4k more dps."

    But alts are still unplayable because I'm doing like 10k-20k less damage than my main not because of essences but lack of account wide gear. Bis azerite pieces from raids and trinkets play much bigger role than tiny essence upgrades.

    Account wide essences were good step but insignificant compared to gear updates from mythic raiding.
    I hope you're being sarcastic. But considering the mindset of people still playing retail, I'll have to take you seriously. They should make account wide everything. Even to characters you haven't boosted to max level via the Blizzard store yet. Additionally, you should have all loots straight into the mail without having to do absolutely anything, not that you have to do much anyway. Just AFK in the skies of Azeroth, where crackheads like you belong.

    That said, I'm hearing rumors that the expansion after Welfarelands will be called "World of Warcraft: Equality". In addition to all races having a third gender, you will need to do nothing but afk in the skies of Equality. That's where you will get your experience from leveling up to the new level cap, 69. With account wide gear being standard, items you obtain from the skies of Azeroth will now automatically be given to all members of your guild whether they like it or not. Bag space issues and having to click the mailbox to obtain items due to stacked bags will be addressed after a few tear stained threads and tweets from idiots like you. Don't use your keyboard and mouse at all and invest fully on a monitor. Just stare your way to glory.

  20. #160
    Acc-wide gear is never happening, but I wouldn't see a problem with acc-wide titan research or even cloak level.

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