View Poll Results: You have to eliminate 2 original races which would you pick?

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  • Humans

    43 12.65%
  • Orcs

    25 7.35%
  • Nightelves

    54 15.88%
  • Trolls

    53 15.59%
  • Dwarves

    40 11.76%
  • Tauren

    53 15.59%
  • Gnomes

    221 65.00%
  • Undead

    155 45.59%
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  1. #41
    Oh and since I remove dwarf and gnome, I suppose I should replace them with something else.

    1. A race of tall sporeggar.
    2. Lesser Celestials (we'd require a visit to the Celestial homeworld) (I'd thought I'd go way off the board here and mention a new race)
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    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

  2. #42
    Removing undead would suck cause then you're just left with the tribal theme, which is awesome on its own but you need variety

    I'd take out gnomes and trolls

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Zylos View Post
    did you ever play wc3? Taurens are like the whole reason the horde survived on Kalimdor.
    Mutual benefits; Tauren weren't exactly doing too good in their fight against the Centaur.


    That aside, my answer would be Gnomes and probably Orcs. Orcs just had such a small presence on the world, it's hard to believe they ever actually became anything more than a footnote in history at best. Gnomes, they just don't really bring anything of value that you couldn't get from Dwarves. Dwarves build great battle machines, they could easily have picked up the mantle of "quirky small race interested in tinkering" as a subset of their racial interests.

  4. #44
    Forsaken. They're basically just Scourge Lite. They were back then, even more so now. Plus they always felt a little misaligned. They had no real big motivations to want to be in the Horde, nor did they really care about its goals.

    And although I love Gnomes, they'd probably be the Alliance race I'd have to get rid of.

    One can make an argument that Night Elves could've been their own faction. They definitely had enough power to be, and having them be pushed into the Alliance meant they had to be fodderized a little bit, but as is, they fit just fine otherwise.

    No, the Alliance doesn't have to be 100% about the generic western knight human fantasy, just as the Horde doesn't have to 100% be about screaming a lot and living in huts.
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    Blood elves is the only race I want to erase but since this is a vanilla poll. I think I'll go with Nelves and Undeads
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    Gnomes and Undead. Not really enough gnomes left to have sizeable population.

    Undead would eventually have the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Tauren and Gnomes...

    Taurens never fitted the horde but also have nothing to do with the alliance.

    And Gnomes... because... well gnomes and goblins are the reason wow is not particular fantasy and more science fantasy
    Yes because Draenei and their spaceships/orbital laser cannons never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Ok Suppose that you worked for Blizzard and for a temporary or long period of time they were going to eliminate 2 of the original existing races in wow, however those that already have a character could keep it, but after a specific time, no new characters of that race could be made, which one would you eliminate?
    None because its an incredibly stupid idea? There's literally no reason to eliminate any of the races, aside from appeasing the 'REEE I HATE ANYTHING THAT ISN'T EDGY AND BADASS REEEEE' idiots.
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  8. #48
    Undead, just them. Everyone else is fine, even gnomes have a use. According to the horde cook in Dalaran, they are quite tasty in soup.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Tauren and Gnomes...

    Taurens never fitted the horde but also have nothing to do with the alliance.

    And Gnomes... because... well gnomes and goblins are the reason wow is not particular fantasy and more science fantasy
    We've had gnomes and their jazzy steampunky schizo tech since WC2 Bit too late about them making WoW less fantasy, somehow.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Forsaken. They're basically just Scourge Lite. They were back then, even more so now. Plus they always felt a little misaligned. They had no real big motivations to want to be in the Horde.
    They were on a continent facing a huge alliance threat. Either they find friends or they probably get run over by the human kingdoms, dwarves, and gnomes.
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    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Playintrafic View Post
    Gnomes and Undead. Not really enough gnomes left to have sizeable population.

    Undead would eventually have the same problem.
    By that logic you'd have to get rid of blood elves, darkspear trolls, and bilgewater goblins. Blood elves are 10% of an unknown portion of an elite aristocratic class. Darkspears weren't very numerous to begin with, that's how they lost their home, then a ton got killed by the sea witch then a ton more got brainwashed by Zalazane. Bilgewaters... are comprised of the same single character who was shoved onto one boat.
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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Ok Suppose that you worked for Blizzard and for a temporary or long period of time they were going to eliminate 2 of the original existing races in wow, however those that already have a character could keep it, but after a specific time, no new characters of that race could be made, which one would you eliminate?

    Humans
    Orcs
    Night Elves
    Trolls
    Dwarves
    Undead
    Gnomes
    Tauren


    All the other races stay the same.
    I'd go for gnomes, and then pick gnomes again for good measure.

    In all seriousness, I'd pick gnomes to be eliminated off the list. I cannot stand those malformed midgets. Everything about them irritate me: their voices, emotes, and models. My second pick would be the forsaken... mostly due to how mishandled they were by Blizzard (in my opinion). I think the forsaken, as a playable race, should've be focused on 'preserving their humanity' and show the world that they're not the monsters people think they are... instead of actually being the monsters people think they are and shedding their humanity the moment they step out of their grave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I'd go for gnomes, and then pick gnomes again for good measure.

    In all seriousness, I'd pick gnomes to be eliminated off the list. I cannot stand those malformed midgets. Everything about them irritate me: their voices, emotes, and models. My second pick would be the forsaken... mostly due to how mishandled they were by Blizzard (in my opinion). I think the forsaken, as a playable race, should've be focused on 'preserving their humanity' and show the world that they're not the monsters people think they are... instead of actually being the monsters people think they are and shedding their humanity the moment they step out of their grave.
    Gnomes are cute, selfless and the smartest race in Azeroth, the only people that seem to hate them are fans of of certain critics. They bring more joy to the game than about any other game and probably the single biggest reason for World of Warcrafts success,
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    Gnomes and Undead

    Simple
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Gnomes are cute, selfless and the smartest race in Azeroth, the only people that seem to hate them are fans of of certain critics.
    I'm fan of no critic and I hate the gnomes. So please don't use generalizations or assume I like "certain critics", whoever they are.

    They bring more joy to the game than about any other game and probably the single biggest reason for World of Warcrafts success,
    The only "joy" I got from gnomes was watching how Gelbin almost died in the BoD opening cinematic, and the idea that he could finally be put six feet under after BoD. Of course, my hopes were dashed when he was Iron-Man'ed.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    Yes because Draenei and their spaceships/orbital laser cannons never happened.
    Gnomes existed long before Draenei.

    Draenei had to retcon the entirety of WoW history in order to be written in. They weren't amazing engineers, even in their original incarnation in Vanilla.

    Gnomes and Goblins both already existed as scientific races in a fantasy world as of WC3 - long before Draenei eventually got added with SOME level of space technology. (Which, at the time, they had stolen. Not made. There have been a lot of retcons to make Draenei into engineers.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    We've had gnomes and their jazzy steampunky schizo tech since WC2 Bit too late about them making WoW less fantasy, somehow.
    You do realize WC2 is part of WoW's history, right?

    As in, Gnomes existing in WC2 is precisely how they made WoW less fantasy, because WC2 is also taken into account when you consider what to do when making WoW, and when continuing to make it in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I'm fan of no critic and I hate the gnomes. So please don't use generalizations or assume I like "certain critics", whoever they are.


    The only "joy" I got from gnomes was watching how Gelbin almost died in the BoD opening cinematic, and the idea that he could finally be put six feet under after BoD. Of course, my hopes were dashed when he was Iron-Man'ed.
    Except you are literally talking about murdering gnomes because they are midgets?

    LOL dude there is no reasonable or logical reason to hate gnomes, and to suggest you aren't like other critics especially when some of the most well known used the exact same verbiage is bad comedy.

    If there is ever a point where Azeroth is in danger, there is no race more dedicated to actually bending back the tide for good, they are also selfless if also underappreciated, especially by people who chime in with silly mobs in unreasonable hatred.

    Please name me any events where Gnomes have ever been anything other than helpful.

    On top of the face they are fucking adorable, they make the game FUN especially for those who don't take game too seriously.

    I mean maybe the hatred of Gnomes shouldn't be considered serious either, and I would kind of think that but the hate boner for Gnomes seems pretty unreasonable and ridiculous to me.

    Any time I have ever seen or played a gnome they have done nothing but make the more fun and make me smile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    We've had gnomes and their jazzy steampunky schizo tech since WC2 Bit too late about them making WoW less fantasy, somehow.
    Stop telling me that i know. But this is the premise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardrift View Post
    What? You've got the burning Legion and their alien machines. Same with Draenei.
    They have not been this at the start

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Night Elves and Undead, both of these races should have never canonically been apart of their respective factions in the first place.

    If Warcraft 4 had been a thing instead of WoW, I will bet my life that Night Elves would have never joined the Alliance, and Forsaken never to join the Horde either. I know now we are so used to them being apart of their factions but at the time they just felt so out of place seeing where they were in Warcraft 3.

    Although by eliminate I wouldn't remove them from the lore
    Undead and Night Elves always felt like the first "allied" races. They're not really Alliance or Horde.

    Although I suppose now that Sylvanas is out of the picture, the Forsaken don't have anybody but the Horde so they might start appreciating them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Except you are literally talking about murdering gnomes because they are midgets?

    LOL dude there is no reasonable or logical reason to hate gnomes, and to suggest you aren't like other critics especially when some of the most well known used the exact same verbiage is bad comedy.

    If there is ever a point where Azeroth is in danger, there is no race more dedicated to actually bending back the tide for good, they are also selfless if also underappreciated, especially by people who chime in with silly mobs in unreasonable hatred.

    Please name me any events where Gnomes have ever been anything other than helpful.

    On top of the face they are fucking adorable, they make the game FUN especially for those who don't take game too seriously.

    I mean maybe the hatred of Gnomes shouldn't be considered serious either, and I would kind of think that but the hate boner for Gnomes seems pretty unreasonable and ridiculous to me.

    Any time I have ever seen or played a gnome they have done nothing but make the more fun and make me smile.
    Here's a logical reason to hate them. They hunkered down in Gnomeragan and decided to opt out of the 3rd War, you know the one that introduced the Scourge and had all of Azeroth almost get fucked over by the Burning Legion? However, as soon as Gnomeragan gets screwed over by a virus at the start of WoW, they suddenly come crying to the Alliance for help and shelter. Luckily the Dwarves weren't vindictive and were nice enough to let them settle in and around Ironforge.

    Fuck the Gnomes, you don't sit out a War and not help the Alliance, but still come asking for their support when you're in trouble.

    As far as the poll goes, I'd eliminate the Gnomes for sure. They never should've been allowed to rejoin the Alliance after that shit. The Alliance let the High Elves get fucked by Arthas and then decided to turn their backs on them when Kael'thas allied himself with the Naga because he was stuck. Literally the Alliance said, "Nah we won't help you guys." then got mad when the Prince found help elsewhere. Gnomes are cool though, they can just rejoin like nothing happened.

    The other race is definitely the Undead. Every damn time the Forsaken do big story shit in WoW, I'm almost immediately disgusted by the fact that they just get to be big giant assholes and the Horde doesn't boot their asses out. The Horde has been making excuses for the Forsaken's bullshit for far too long. Just boot the bastards out already. They're literally the ONLY race that systematically shits so hard on the so-called Honor that the Horde wants to embody.
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