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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    The Forsaken were supposed to be different from the Scourge trying to make their own society away from the others according to how they were depicted in the game at first. Did you seriously expected to make a Forsaken that has a view of complete annihilation of the living like any villain and expect for that to pass? If yes then perhaps it is time to delete the character and go try Warhammer as this game is perfectly set up for Good vs Evil. As long as you are part of Warcraft your character joins the Rebellion at best or felt betrayed by the Banshee Queen and now wants to change.

    That is simply how it is. I wanted to dismantle the Horde for good this time but my character and every other npc has to agree with Anduin's final decision.
    oh yes, forsaken arent suppoused to want to completely genocide every single enemy, but surely to hate the livings, they are fucking undeads. and not have any single remorse in killing them. these were forsaken quests since vanilla.
    and damn, i would prefered to be chained even unable to play 8.3 spitted by all orgrimmar instead to have to help baine in even half quest. now i have to watch powerless my comrades imprisoned even after having punched to death eitrigg and murdered half traitors army out of the orgrimmar gates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    considering their current writing, I wouldn't be surprised if she is just imprisoned.

    the Golden Boy is gonna forgive her
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    Who's gonna defend her in her trial?
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  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    oh yes, forsaken arent suppoused to want to completely genocide every single enemy, but surely to hate the livings, they are fucking undeads. and not have any single remorse in killing them. these were forsaken quests since vanilla.
    and damn, i would prefered to be chained even unable to play 8.3 spitted by all orgrimmar instead to have to help baine in even half quest. now i have to watch powerless my comrades imprisoned even after having punched to death eitrigg and murdered half traitors army out of the orgrimmar gates.
    You are mistaken. Not every Forsaken is like this. Blizzard has created them for the sole purpose to be different from the Scourge. A lot of them were the same as they used to be in life. The Forsaken Champion is one of them. At worst your character felt deceived and betrayed and now helps the Horde chase down the Banshee Queen. With all due respect. Didn't you know what game were you playing? Have you never played Warcraft 3 and Wow Vanilla to see how the Forsaken started?

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I would bet money she somehow gets "redeemed" he who shall not be named isn't going to let them kill off his waifu.
    We are at an impass, with a writer who loves Nathanos and would allegedly have bias towards Sylvanas retaining dark antihero status and a writer who seems dead set on replacing her with a holy priest as leader of the forsaken.

    Honestly my bet's on Golden, new lore trumps old lore in most cases. But we should really have them fight to the death in the office for our amusement to settle this.

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    Who's gonna defend her in her trial?
    That's not even a question, it'd have to be Baine.
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    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
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    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    We are at an impass, with a writer who loves Nathanos and would allegedly have bias towards Sylvanas retaining dark antihero status and a writer who seems dead set on replacing her with a holy priest as leader of the forsaken.

    Honestly my bet's on Golden, new lore trumps old lore in most cases. But we should really have them fight to the death in the office for our amusement to settle this.

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    That's not even a question, it'd have to be Baine.
    who drags her out in chains? whos people have been hurt the most?!!
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  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    who drags her out in chains? whos people have been hurt the most?!!
    The Forsaken, duh !

    With angry Night Elves being presented as not only savages, primitives but also unjust for airing grievances at her and the Horde.

  7. #407
    Not sure why people still cling to the idea that Danuser wants to redeem Sylvanas and maker her a hero... in the last interview, he was very harsh on her, stating that she started the war and that she's Garrosh 2.0. My faith in Danuser has been restored fully.
    How could I ever have loved someone so weak? Let us hope Arator did not inherit your cowardice.

  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
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    Who's gonna defend her in her trial?
    Tyrande LFMAO
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    except she was, she literally was experimenting on prisoners men, women, children, soldier, and civilian,
    to try and make a stronger and stronger plague.
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    Your not gonna win trying to make this one realize the truth.
    Your have better luck curing Corona with lemon and lime juice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Not sure why people still cling to the idea that Danuser wants to redeem Sylvanas and maker her a hero... in the last interview, he was very harsh on her, stating that she started the war and that she's Garrosh 2.0. My faith in Danuser has been restored fully.
    WAIT WHAT?!

    links please i dont believe that guy stopped loving sylvanas
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  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Not sure why people still cling to the idea that Danuser wants to redeem Sylvanas and maker her a hero... in the last interview, he was very harsh on her, stating that she started the war and that she's Garrosh 2.0. My faith in Danuser has been restored fully.
    Besides how many times have they done that Redemption story? A lot of times already. Medivh, Grom two times, Kerrigan, Illidan. These characters though had reedeeming qualities. How can Sylvannas be reedeemed if she doesnt have reedeeming qualities?

  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    WAIT WHAT?!

    links please i dont believe that guy stopped loving sylvanas
    https://www.windowscentral.com/world...ry-shadowlands

    To demonstrate that there is a cycle, we created a story structure for Sylvanas that, on the surface, echoed many broad strokes of the road Garrosh took. A warchief promoted under questionable circumstances. A brutal act of aggression that instigated conflict. Distrust among the inner circle that led to an uprising. These parallels were intentional.
    Now hopefully I can stop reading headcanon like "Alliance started the war in Stormheim".

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    Besides how many times have they done that Redemption story? A lot of times already. Medivh, Grom two times, Kerrigan, Illidan. These characters though had reedeeming qualities. How can Sylvannas be reedeemed if she doesnt have reedeeming qualities?
    Yep. People liked the redemption stories of Illidan and Kerrigan because they were given redeeming qualities, while people hated the redemption story of Grommash, because he was not given any redeeming character trait whatsoever and we just sort of had to accept he was good now. Sylvanas will be Grommash 2.0, not Kerrigan/Illidan 2.0 if they want to redeem her.

    But again, it's so unlikely that she'll be redeemed, and plus I'm sure they've learned from the massive backlash they got after they redeemed Grommash.
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    How could I ever have loved someone so weak? Let us hope Arator did not inherit your cowardice.

  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    You are mistaken. Not every Forsaken is like this. Blizzard has created them for the sole purpose to be different from the Scourge. A lot of them were the same as they used to be in life. The Forsaken Champion is one of them. At worst your character felt deceived and betrayed and now helps the Horde chase down the Banshee Queen. With all due respect. Didn't you know what game were you playing? Have you never played Warcraft 3 and Wow Vanilla to see how the Forsaken started?
    lol? i was the one that gave the plague sample to the dwarf and didnt give a fuck, i was the one that assassinated the blood stone fugitives or even the scarlet crusader's captives in wrath. still didnt giving a single fuck. or the one that with belmont conquered gilneas, plagued the farm north andorhal and smashed human heads in hillsbrad. i could be full forsaken until bfa, where the spread of plague in the lordaeron battelfied was basically the last time i could play normally.
    did you ever played a forsaken quest?

  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    https://www.windowscentral.com/world...ry-shadowlands



    Now hopefully I can stop reading headcanon like "Alliance started the war in Stormheim".
    It is a regular practice of people here to deny or dismiss written facts they dislike. No matter if those facts come from Blizzard, Golden or whoever. I would say this thread is the perfect example for that. So this sadly won't change a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Yep. People liked the redemption stories of Illidan and Kerrigan because they were given redeeming qualities, while people hated the redemption story of Grommash, because he was not given any redeeming character trait whatsoever and we just sort of had to accept he was good now. Sylvanas will be Grommash 2.0, not Kerrigan/Illidan 2.0 if they want to redeem her.

    But again, it's so unlikely that she'll be redeemed, and plus I'm sure they've learned from the massive backlash they got after they redeemed Grommash.
    Pretty much this yes. Even when Kerrigan began slaughtering humans again (after her second transformation) she showed regret and forbade Abathur to experiment on humans and she also spared some civilians and wounded. She was a monster, but there was still some good left in her that made her want redemption and that made the redemption she got work.

    Sylvanas has never expressed so much as discomfort at the thought of murdering others and she takes great pleasure in boasting with her crimes (towards Genn for one), she routinely experimented on humans to strengthen her bioweapon and damns others to her horrible fate. She actively squandered her chance at redemption after Edge of Night and took all measures to be even worse then Arthas while hiding in the shadows of the Horde like the coward she is. There is no act she could commit now, that would make her redemption believable or deserved.
    She has decided to be the uncaring villain and I could not care less about her goals. She will die for all the crimes she commited, no matter what the reasons for them will turn out to be.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    It is a regular practice of people here to deny or dismiss written facts they dislike. No matter if those facts come from Blizzard, Golden or whoever. I would say this thread is the perfect example for that. So this sadly won't change a thing.



    Pretty much this yes. Even when Kerrigan began slaughtering humans again (after her second transformation) she showed regret and forbade Abathur to experiment on humans and she also spared some civilians and wounded. She was a monster, but there was still some good left in her that made her want redemption and that made the redemption she got work.

    Sylvanas has never expressed so much as discomfort at the thought of murdering others and she takes great pleasure in boasting with her crimes (towards Genn for one), she routinely experimented on humans to strengthen her bioweapon and damns others to her horrible fate. She actively squandered her chance at redemption after Edge of Night and took all measures to be even worse then Arthas while hiding in the shadows of the Horde like the coward she is. There is no act she could commit now, that would make her redemption believable or deserved.
    She has decided to be the uncaring villain and I could not care less about her goals. She will die for all the crimes she commited, no matter what the reasons for them will turn out to be.
    Indeed. Kerrigan in HoTs showed a lot of redeeming qualities, such as when she undermined her own invasion to avoid civilian casualties or when she decided to spare the Terran soldiers fleeing Char.

    Sylvanas instead doesn't give a shit about murdering people. And when you think about it, she never will. Because her plan relies entirely on killing people, especially civilians. That's why they are clearly not setting her up as Kerrigan 2.0.

    At best she'll realize upon dying that she became just as evil as Arthas, and beg for forgiveness with her last breath, but that's about it.
    How could I ever have loved someone so weak? Let us hope Arator did not inherit your cowardice.

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    who drags her out in chains? whos people have been hurt the most?!!
    The Tortollan? The closest analogy to Pandaren that I can think of.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

  16. #416
    I think that everyone of us has his own idea of how the story should go and how the chars should be developed.

    Pleasing everyone is simply impossible.

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Now hopefully I can stop reading headcanon like "Alliance started the war in Stormheim".
    You do realize there can be more than one causes of war, right? All the way back to Vanilla we had multiple concurrent fronts of Alliance-Horde conflict instigated by various parties. Especially since Danuser's words are "instigated conflict" which is a general statement. He didn't say that instigated any and all Alliance hostilities or even the war. You're putting words in his mouth. And as for Stormheim, Before the Storm makes it blatantly clear that the factions were in open conflict already at that time as they needed a ceasefire to make the Gathering happen. Even though it took place on neutral ground. And for a ceasefire to exist there must also exist a fire that has to be ceased in the first place. The word basically holds your hand there and yet that part of the book somehow still doesn't register with Alliance posters on this site. A very mysterious mystery.


    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Yep. People liked the redemption stories of Illidan and Kerrigan because they were given redeeming qualities, while people hated the redemption story of Grommash, because he was not given any redeeming character trait whatsoever and we just sort of had to accept he was good now. Sylvanas will be Grommash 2.0, not Kerrigan/Illidan 2.0 if they want to redeem her..
    Ah, yes. Because the redemption of Illidan and especially Kerrigan were so very well received.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    It is a regular practice of people here to deny or dismiss written facts they dislike. No matter if those facts come from Blizzard, Golden or whoever. I would say this thread is the perfect example for that. So this sadly won't change a thing.
    You mean the Golden that wrote Before the Storms, including the part about Horde and Alliance already being in open conflict? The ones to deny to dismiss written facts one dislikes here is you. And Varodoc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
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    Now hopefully I can stop reading headcanon like "Alliance started the war in Stormheim"..
    Holy volcano fudge mountain craps......

    Well I'm usually not lost for words but wow
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  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    lol? i was the one that gave the plague sample to the dwarf and didnt give a fuck, i was the one that assassinated the blood stone fugitives or even the scarlet crusader's captives in wrath. still didnt giving a single fuck. or the one that with belmont conquered gilneas, plagued the farm north andorhal and smashed human heads in hillsbrad. i could be full forsaken until bfa, where the spread of plague in the lordaeron battelfied was basically the last time i could play normally.
    did you ever played a forsaken quest?
    And in the end at best your character felt betrayed cause your Queen didn't care about you. She wanted to kill all of Azeroth so she could gain more power and your character now hates her for it and wants along with the whole Horde to track her and end her. All these quests you did for her was for her to end all of Azeroth.

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    And in the end at best your character felt betrayed cause your Queen didn't care about you. She wanted to kill all of Azeroth so she could gain more power and your character now hates her for it and wants along with the whole Horde to track her and end her. All these quests you did for her was for her to end all of Azeroth.
    she didnt care about me to the point that she gave me an hearthstone to tell me

    Ah champion, I wasn't certain you made it out of Orgrimmar. If the traitors know of your service to me, they'd have put you in irons...or worse. Saurfang's ill-considered challenge may have ended the war prematurely, but it doesn't matter now. Countless souls have been fed to the hungering darkness. Though I cared nothing for the living, I did pity the Forsaken. For the great injustice that made them what they are. I understand the cruelty of fate better than anyone.
    But despite all I taught them, they stubbornly clung to hope. To life. They will learn the truth, along with all the rest.
    My bargain with Azshara will yet bear fruit. The armies of Azeroth will fight her master, and he will line their streets with corpses. In the end, he too will serve Death.
    Enough reflection. There are preparations to be made. Nothing lasts. When next you see me, you will understand.
    so exactly why i should be feel betrayed (as a forsaken/dk)? nathanos even warned me every single time that the missions would be rough as fuck for all bfa. and being in a suicide mission is something that i ever did before multiple times. damn, all wod is based on the initial suicide mission throught the portal.
    im not saying that you wont be right and i wont have to work with the traitors like nothing had happened. but for now at best this isnt hinted other than a generic and assumed "we are telling how you will should feel" without any organic storytelling.
    damn as a forsaken player i never had any problem with the idea of murdering all azeroth if necessary, the plague that i personally helped to develop was made in fact to annihilate any enemy would cross the forsaken's path in first place. even any forsaken npc in game (other than voss) never have these problems in first place.

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