Cut off the arm to save the body.

[rhorle]

The importance of getting a specific Azerite piece matters more. And getting a specific piece from the Titan Residuum vendor is heavily based on RNG (or a 10 week waiting period). It matters that you only do LFR because you don't care what Azerite pieces you have as it makes no difference to you. So the RNG element doesn't impact you negatively. But it does impact players who try to be competitive. And the competitiveness between players shouldn't be based on very heavy RNG. Corruption gear is even worse in that regard of course. But you don't do challenging content so you don't know the pain of having heavy RNG impact your competitiveness.

That isn't how it works. It isn't wait 10 weeks and you get what you want automatically. People can also care about things beyond what they do. Do you think all developers in games are always super awesome at playing video games? Nope. You also don't do what the .1% World First raiders do so we you really don't know how it works by your own logic. So shouldn't we dismiss all you have to say?

Competitiveness between players has always been based on RNG. Because it has always been based on gear and obtaining those gear drops. Very few actually complain about the RNG of Azerite traits. Corruption has some problems but Azerite has very few. You are over blowing something that you don't like and something that hasn't really been changed as a system since 8.2. Because the system shifted away from Azerite gear to essences.

You don't do challenging content either. Because you are farming gear for 10 weeks to prop up you and your guild in order to clear content. I can arbitrarily apply rules for when people can comment or not. I also do some challenging content but we all play the game in the ways we most prefer. That doesn't mean that anything you say is automatically right just because you feel yourself as superior to other players.

[erifwodahs]

I am referring to Ions statement that any item with a considerable higher item level should be considered an upgrade. That is not the case. And you actually need external websites and addons to figure out which is the better item.

In earlier times you just looked at your stats saying: hmm I need SO much hit, expertise etc after that ima gonna stack crit or haste or what ever it was easy to juggle around with your gear. Like if you got a higher item level piece that would screw with your hit cap you then would replace another piece to be capped again, or reforge some other piece etc.

how would you know what stats do you need? Cuz I did not. First priest that I leveled I was shadow priest with healing items because "I liked to help out". After that you go to external sites and watch guides. It has always been the same. How would you know which trinket is bis? How much hit do you need with what talent set up? You either did math or relied on external sites.... LIKE NOW!

[kaminaris]

So three slots being permanently taken up that rarely (if ever) change your playstyle once you get your BiS traits is "far superior" to 4 of 6 slots that can be swapped around and have the potential to alter gameplay every tier?

What?

And this is what exactly is mind blogging. You completely don't know how it works. 4-6 sets wasn't "swappable" around. You just took pieces that had best stats for your class and never change it, that is first thing. Second, azerite gear is far more gameplay altering that tier sets ever were.

Yes, it is far superior design. Not to mention they were only obtainable in raids, had no vendor.

[Stormwolf64]

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

imbecile and moron mean the same so he was clearly not as wise as you think

[cparle87]

I wish TD did more for my aoe dps than void ritual.

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And you cant remove you head, chest, or shoulders now. The only difference is you could use different combinations of tier pieces. You can take off your azerite helmet and put on your azerite pants.

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Are we still pretending legiondaries were hard capped? Wow...

Only reason I can think of it that it's not is that you're a caster staying way back so it's not actually hitting anything. I had to train myself on my boomie on that matter. Or are you running in a group with other people also running void ritual? Cause iirc it's like the azerite crystal essence where it becomes exponentially stronger when others use it.

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Which class/spec are you playing? Because for some specs (for example BM hunter) the stat corruptions are better per corruption than the proc corruptions (e.g. Twilight Dev).

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That's not customization. That's just a power increase.

Imma kitty. Stars is top for single target and Twilight Devastation is top for AoE when viewed in a vacuum. But some like the 'make you bleed over 10 sec' one are simming higher than both of those on both ST and AoE and there's other little ones where they'd add up to more than Stars and TD for the corruption they cost.

To put it simply (just throwing out ass numbers to make a point here btw)
Devastation is worth 10,000 dps and costs 75 corruption, that's 133.33 damage per corruption (dpc).
Say the internal bleeding one is worth 3k dps but only costs 10 corruption, that would be 300 dpc.

So you get a bunch of weaker on their own but substantially cheaper ones and they add up to more than the big dog daddy. =)

[Eggroll]

how would you know what stats do you need? Cuz I did not. First priest that I leveled I was shadow priest with healing items because "I liked to help out". After that you go to external sites and watch guides. It has always been the same. How would you know which trinket is bis? How much hit do you need with what talent set up? You either did math or relied on external sites.... LIKE NOW!

I agree, you looked up your stat prio ONCE or so in some guide on the internet. But you didn't need addons left and right to make gear choices. That's exactly what they critized before and a reason why they removed reforging. ... but hey.

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Yes, it is far superior design. Not to mention they were only obtainable in raids, had no vendor.

There were dungeon sets, though. I really liked that idea tbh. Not as powerful as raid sets but pretty neat.

[erifwodahs]

I agree, you looked up your stat prio ONCE or so in some guide on the internet. But you didn't need addons left and right to make gear choices. That's exactly what they critized before and a reason why they removed reforging. ... but hey.

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There were dungeon sets, though. I really liked that idea tbh. Not as powerful as raid sets but pretty neat.

I don't really feel that's truth at all mate. I mean sure, we have tools to check is there is a 3% upgrade when we are using 365 meh wrists vs using 355 bis stats so we tend to do it, but on my alt mage (I main as tank so ilvl=king and corruption I choose on whos healing me and affixes) I just check the logs for what stats I am looking for for ST/M+ and what azerites I need - that is it. Running and simming every item is not something I want to do or something I need to do. I might sim myself if I change tons of gear, but "need to sim every item" comes out from being able to do so easy and not "if I don't sim this my char will suck ass". BiS corruptions you can easy look up on any class guide/class discord. You don't think that if people had tools available back in the day, they would not have done that? People used to have addons which would select spell ranks for them or make macros which would do full rotations for them. Players will use anything to get any advantage, no matter how small, but it is not mandatory. Simming is something what min maxers will do. Same people were reaching exact amount of hit rating to reach a cap or were reaching exact amount of haste to get that extra tick of SW:P while general public did not care if they had 2% extra of hit or they haste had started to get DRs a bit.

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So three slots being permanently taken up that rarely (if ever) change your playstyle once you get your BiS traits is "far superior" to 4 of 6 slots that can be swapped around and have the potential to alter gameplay every tier?

What?

you never swapped around your tier items because you would select best stats parts and that is it. Sometimes that would mean that you have to wear really shit stats to have that nice 4set and wouldn't be able to equip your bis stats item. It was always nice to feel how that mastery from my chest does so little :>
Also it was only raid drops, which with new legion addition of m+ is bad, because if you only run m+ you are at disadvantage. Not to say that raiders shouldn't have that, but in that case M+ should have sets which are good in dungeons, pvp would have sets which are for pvp and raiders would have a tier set which works in raid. Azerite is universal and while it is far from perfect, it's certainly not as restricting. And it has effect on how you play your class. During BoD a frost mage had 3!!!! viable builds (no ice lance/frozen orb/regular). While other classes are not so lucky there are still alterations on what actions you do and how you do it.

[Daedius]

I literally remove corruption from every character i got.
I aint doing progressive raiding nor top mythic+ so i dont need whatever damage bonuses corruption effects give.

I was trying to find a way to enjoy the corruption mechanic for weeks but in the end just removing it was the best choice for my enjoyment of gameplay.
No bullsh*t slow, no suicide illusions, no purple eye... awful unfun mechanics.

You're telling me you find no joy in getting hit by 3 Things from Beyond within 2 seconds for 200k each isn't fun?!

[Rogue Karl]

You're telling me you find no joy in getting hit by 3 Things from Beyond within 2 seconds for 200k each isn't fun?!

It pales in comparison with being sat in mythic because you only managed to pull two corruption pieces ( a star 1,2) on a 445 450 ilv item respectfully.


Having people do 15million more damage then I am from a proc is so,so fun. All I ever get to proc is get hit get vers. I'm up to 12 pieces now.

[Tronski]

You never had to grind for Azerite gear. You could choose to do so but doing so didn't really gain you that much. The notion of grinding is attached to much to artifact power. More ranks didn't gain you much once you had all the rings unlocked. You can keep gaining neck ranks beyond 80 currently but no one "Grinds" for it. Except those that are doing it just to do.

And yet I have been chasing new levels of my heart of azeroth with the sole purpose of unlocking new options.
That is, after I finally have gotten a piece with high enough ilvl.

[The Butt Witch]

The usual Blizzard way.
Dev 1: People aren't using this feature we made, they don't like it.
Dev 2: Well then MAKE them have to use it.

[Hellobolis]

Blizzard need to much more critical when it comes to their own work. If something doesn't work, then just drop it. Don't spend months trying to save a lost cause only to end up with something which makes the game worse. With systems like the Azerite gear which from the beginning clearly didn't work they just need to make a clear cut and remove it from the game instead of using a lot of resources trying to fix something which is already lost. Azerite gear brought much more negatives to the game than positives and adding systems like that is only damaging. Especially when they use extra resources on them. Only a very small minority of players are going to look back at the Azerite gear with any positive feelings. The same thing can be said about the corruption gear. The situations where you feel bad because of the corruption just massively outweighs the times when you feel good. They shouldn't spend time and resources on these systems which just have a overall negative impact on the game. If something clearly doesn't work, they just need to put their proudness aside and cut it from the game. Simple as that.

If your game has fun content people will play it. Don't add negatives to it.

I don't think blizz can just remove features that are listed on the box/website as features. Aside from the PR nightmare it would be, it also sounds like something you could sue over.

And then theres the practical effects: if they remove it, nothing can take it's place cause nothing exists to take it's place. at best it's a revamped system and you can put the old system back in. Just imagine if blizz decided to put visions on the chopping block, that's the core gameplay loop of this patch gone in a patch where people already complain of content draught from it's launch day.

Nah they should just listen to feedback in alpha/beta before it's too late to make changes.

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And yet I have been chasing new levels of my heart of azeroth with the sole purpose of unlocking new options.
That is, after I finally have gotten a piece with high enough ilvl.

How? artifact knowledge is still going. right now 79-80 neck takes 10k AP. Any character you actually play should get 80 neck in 2 weeks orso, without trying.

[VinceVega]

I think Final Fantasy alone had 10 mil the last time it anounced #.

At least they have endgame and PVP, all wow has are broken classes battlegrounds and raids raids raids

Everyone switches to FF14... for a short time. Then all groups in FF14 die and all the people shitting on wow suddenly come back online ingame.

It is the same since the start of FF14. They just can't keep wow players. Because (IMHO) while wow has its problem it is still the better game.
I loved ESO. Played it so much. But it still did not captivate me enough to keep playing it so i went back to wow.

No matter how much people like to make WoW out to be the worst game ever created right now i am quite sure it is still the most played of the bunch. But as all of us this is just an assumption as we don't have any numbers to go on.

FF14 just feels incredibly empty. WoW does not.

[WowIsDead64]

Blizzard need to much more critical when it comes to their own work. If something doesn't work, then just drop it. Don't spend months trying to save a lost cause only to end up with something which makes the game worse. With systems like the Azerite gear which from the beginning clearly didn't work they just need to make a clear cut and remove it from the game instead of using a lot of resources trying to fix something which is already lost. Azerite gear brought much more negatives to the game than positives and adding systems like that is only damaging. Especially when they use extra resources on them. Only a very small minority of players are going to look back at the Azerite gear with any positive feelings. The same thing can be said about the corruption gear. The situations where you feel bad because of the corruption just massively outweighs the times when you feel good. They shouldn't spend time and resources on these systems which just have a overall negative impact on the game. If something clearly doesn't work, they just need to put their proudness aside and cut it from the game. Simple as that.

If your game has fun content people will play it. Don't add negatives to it.

So called "endless grind" systems increase MAUs and therefore they're successful game systems. Who cares about what players say, if they still endlessly grind this crap?

[Monolithi]

It means that when Blizzard use resources on a system, then that system should make the game better. Not worse.

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The importance of getting a specific Azerite piece matters more. And getting a specific piece from the Titan Residuum vendor is heavily based on RNG (or a 10 week waiting period).

It matters that you only do LFR because you don't care what Azerite pieces you have as it makes no difference to you. So the RNG element doesn't impact you negatively. But it does impact players who try to be competitive. And the competitiveness between players shouldn't be based on very heavy RNG. Corruption gear is even worse in that regard of course.

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But you don't do challenging content so you don't know the pain of having heavy RNG impact your competitiveness.

I really get your pain...being competitive is really frustrating these days. You dont sound like happy player at all.
So, why dont you spare yourself further frustration and step down, either by stopping playing or by stepping down off competitive waters and play casually?
Or just try Classic? RNG there is really basic one

I remember a story from wotlk where a guy was so obsessed with that armor pen trinket doing all 4 modes for it. When he finally got it at very end of wotlk, he deleted that character and unsubbed.

And yes, I was doing competitive raiding in the past. Never again.

[lollerlaban]

I think Final Fantasy alone had 10 mil the last time it anounced #.

At least they have endgame and PVP, all wow has are broken classes battlegrounds and raids raids raids

It had 10m TOTAL accounts, not subs, accounts. If you think FFXIV has PVP and engaging endgame then you're delusional beyond measure

[Monolithi]

Everyone switches to FF14... for a short time. Then all groups in FF14 die and all the people shitting on wow suddenly come back online ingame.

It is the same since the start of FF14. They just can't keep wow players. Because (IMHO) while wow has its problem it is still the better game.
I loved ESO. Played it so much. But it still did not captivate me enough to keep playing it so i went back to wow.

No matter how much people like to make WoW out to be the worst game ever created right now i am quite sure it is still the most played of the bunch. But as all of us this is just an assumption as we don't have any numbers to go on.

FF14 just feels incredibly empty. WoW does not.

FF14 turned me off before even trying it. Watched gameplay video with only beautiful races, no thanks, anime is no-no for me.
ESO turned me off at the very beginning - couldnt get used to click to move, also graphics.

[VinceVega]

FF14 turned me off before even trying it. Watched gameplay video with only beautiful races, no thanks, anime is no-no for me.
ESO turned me off at the very beginning - couldnt get used to click to move, also graphics.

I actually also don't like anime. But for some reason FF14 isn't that bad. Anime Style is not that extrem like in JRPGs and such. More realistic.
But it did not hold me anyways^^

[plz delete account]

I literally remove corruption from every character i got.
I aint doing progressive raiding nor top mythic+ so i dont need whatever damage bonuses corruption effects give.

I was trying to find a way to enjoy the corruption mechanic for weeks but in the end just removing it was the best choice for my enjoyment of gameplay.
No bullsh*t slow, no suicide illusions, no purple eye... awful unfun mechanics.

You know you can upgrade a cloak to avoid those effects and still have the fun bonuses right?

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I don't think blizz can just remove features that are listed on the box/website as features. Aside from the PR nightmare it would be, it also sounds like something you could sue over.

Let's see here: Guild Halls, Player Housing, Boats, Dance Studio, an absolute fuckton of shit in WOD involving garrisons, raids, ashran, and other cut content that was on the website...

New campaign content for WC3R, profiles, ladder play, etc still missing from WC3R, etc.

[rhorle]

And yet I have been chasing new levels of my heart of azeroth with the sole purpose of unlocking new options.
That is, after I finally have gotten a piece with high enough ilvl.

That doesn't make sense. You don't grind azerite after getting high item levels. There was also a cap on unlocking options where you didn't need to grind past. With the catch up mechanics each patch grinding it out to cap was silly. Because you can easily catch up to the points that matter. There are not endless new options.