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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    What makes it fun for most people?
    That it is progressing your charecter.
    have you ever wondered why clickers and tycoon games are SOOOO popular? because of the constant progression.
    speaking of that i have a craving for rollar coaster tycoon...

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    Can you tell me please
    where in legion did you have the scourge
    where in legion did you have the angelic landscapes
    where in legion did you have the transelvania vampire scape
    Ok valshara and ardenweld are pretty similiar, you got ONE


    aalso "retconned large swaths of lore" mind explaining these "large amounts of lore"
    Revendreth looks A LOT like a portions of Stormheim. The angelic one looks a lot like Mac'Aree recolor from the trailers.

    Ohhhhh boy and the lore retcons. Here we go:
    1) Kil'jaedan and the Nathrezim were who originally created the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne. Now all of a sudden they apparently stole the items from the Shadowlands.
    2) The Shadowlands themselves were always described as being a mirror realm of the real world, albeit shadowy and foggy. Now all of a sudden there's vibrant lands there, completely disregarding everything that was shown to us in quests and such up until now.
    3) Sylvanas prevented soul from moving on every time she raised someone from the dead. It was why the Lich King and Bwonsamdi were pissed at her. She was disrupting the balance by not allowing souls to move on. But now apparently she's been funneling souls SOMEHOW to the Jailer since Edge of Night. It is a gigantic retcon that throws away lore that was established as recent as BfA.
    4) The Helm of Domination was just a tool for controlling the undead that were created by Frostmourne. Both artifacts were equally powerful. Frostmourne was shattered in ICC and all it did was release all the trapped souls. It's makes zero fucking sense that breaking the Helm in a similar fashion would a rip a hole in reality to the Shadowlands.
    5)Apparently the Lich King was created as a warden for the Jailer. This makes absolutely no fucking sense because the Lich King was created originally to be the controlling force of the Scourge to aid in the Legion's invasion of Azeroth.

    That's just 5 points that aggressively retcons the lore.

  2. #122
    Meh. While I hope everything turns out well and I expect to be interested closer to launch , there's about no familiar strings left to tie up that i can get hyped to see. Gonna tie up the sylvannas plot? Wowweeee. Not really gonna bother with speculation or launch details this time around, especially after blizzard showing everything will just have to be changed mid expac anyway because they don't properly listen to feedback. Plus classic is in full swing, keeping people busy

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by monkaTOS View Post
    For me it was the exactly opposite. Legion made me quit the game. BFA (after I returned in 8.2) has been very good so far.
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Revendreth looks A LOT like a portions of Stormheim. The angelic one looks a lot like Mac'Aree recolor from the trailers.

    Ohhhhh boy and the lore retcons. Here we go:
    1) Kil'jaedan and the Nathrezim were who originally created the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne. Now all of a sudden they apparently stole the items from the Shadowlands.
    2) The Shadowlands themselves were always described as being a mirror realm of the real world, albeit shadowy and foggy. Now all of a sudden there's vibrant lands there, completely disregarding everything that was shown to us in quests and such up until now.
    3) Sylvanas prevented soul from moving on every time she raised someone from the dead. It was why the Lich King and Bwonsamdi were pissed at her. She was disrupting the balance by not allowing souls to move on. But now apparently she's been funneling souls SOMEHOW to the Jailer since Edge of Night. It is a gigantic retcon that throws away lore that was established as recent as BfA.
    4) The Helm of Domination was just a tool for controlling the undead that were created by Frostmourne. Both artifacts were equally powerful. Frostmourne was shattered in ICC and all it did was release all the trapped souls. It's makes zero fucking sense that breaking the Helm in a similar fashion would a rip a hole in reality to the Shadowlands.
    5)Apparently the Lich King was created as a warden for the Jailer. This makes absolutely no fucking sense because the Lich King was created originally to be the controlling force of the Scourge to aid in the Legion's invasion of Azeroth.

    That's just 5 points that aggressively retcons the lore.
    1. Revendreth looks like portions of stormheim? Can you show me?
    2. Bastion looks like mac'aree? Cause its got yellow grass in places, is that literally fucking it?


    1) No, this is not a retcon, they made it using the powers of the nathrezim, what we find in shadowlands is where the nathrezim get their power, and where they learned to make these artifacts, they still made the helm and frostmourne, that is still true in shadowlands, but the crafting that madfe them, originated in the shadowlands.

    2) Where they? we have had them described that way, but also as an entirely different realm. and we are not exploring THE ENTIRE shadowlands, only a few of these sections

    3) no, this is not true, you seem to have a weird understanding of lore. She has been stopping souls from goign to their respective areas, as in bwomsombdi and the lich king. but they are BEFORE the shadowlands, think of them like a coin sorter, the first level (the outer world) sorts out the souls, those who made deals with bwomsamdi, or are slain by soul sucking weapons. or are raised before the souls can move on. Then below is where all the ones that are missed go to, and this is the shadowlands.


    syvlanas is not "directing them somehow to the jailor" sometime recently death itself has been broken, and now ALL SOULS that do not get sorted out at the start, when they reach the shadowlands arebeing dumped in the maw. this is not a gigantic retcon, this is you not understanding the story.

    4) yes, it still is just a tool for controlling the undead, but how does it do that? by having a MASSIVE connection to the shadowlands, able to stop souls and raise them, BEFORE they are sent to the shadowlands.

    A small outlit in a house is not the entire power of your house, but hook a car battery up to it and suddenly your fuse will blow off.

    5) this is not entirely confirmed, if you got a source of this go ahead.

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    What should people be hyped about in Shadowlands?
    Why are you ban evading?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazzikostabot View Post
    Why shouldnt i?
    cause you will just get IP banned.
    LOL that was quick.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Revendreth looks A LOT like a portions of Stormheim. The angelic one looks a lot like Mac'Aree recolor from the trailers.

    Ohhhhh boy and the lore retcons. Here we go:
    1) Kil'jaedan and the Nathrezim were who originally created the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne. Now all of a sudden they apparently stole the items from the Shadowlands.
    2) The Shadowlands themselves were always described as being a mirror realm of the real world, albeit shadowy and foggy. Now all of a sudden there's vibrant lands there, completely disregarding everything that was shown to us in quests and such up until now.
    3) Sylvanas prevented soul from moving on every time she raised someone from the dead. It was why the Lich King and Bwonsamdi were pissed at her. She was disrupting the balance by not allowing souls to move on. But now apparently she's been funneling souls SOMEHOW to the Jailer since Edge of Night. It is a gigantic retcon that throws away lore that was established as recent as BfA.
    4) The Helm of Domination was just a tool for controlling the undead that were created by Frostmourne. Both artifacts were equally powerful. Frostmourne was shattered in ICC and all it did was release all the trapped souls. It's makes zero fucking sense that breaking the Helm in a similar fashion would a rip a hole in reality to the Shadowlands.
    5)Apparently the Lich King was created as a warden for the Jailer. This makes absolutely no fucking sense because the Lich King was created originally to be the controlling force of the Scourge to aid in the Legion's invasion of Azeroth.

    That's just 5 points that aggressively retcons the lore.
    yeah, it's garbage.

    especially the part with demons.

    they were COMPLETELY destroyed with the last 2 or 3 expansions.

  7. #127
    Well what we have seen so far is no new classes, no new professions and no new significant gameplay mechanics.
    So that kinda kills the hype since it more looks like a major patch for Legion after Argus.
    Also a lot of people are fed up with sylvanas and her boytoy being the center of the story.
    And the story seems really convoluted with a lot of retcons and illogical changes - worst of all it feels boring (imho).

    When the data stops being encrypted we can see more.
    Until then the only neat thing are that the quest zones look nice.
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  8. #128
    I was already predicting shadowlands releasing in January 2021, but corona pretty much guarantees it now. I wouldn't be hyped for almost any games being developed during this period because it will be hard to collaborate and communicate as a team effectively. Remember what happened to titan? Everyone did their own thing and didnt communicate to each other. They all did their own pet projects and then when they finally decided to come together and share what they all worked on, the game was a big mess that didnt make sense so they had to scrap the whole thing and just implement the PVP mode as overwatch.
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  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Dungo View Post
    Was it how it was marketed? Was it Sylvanas? Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta? Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.)

    Was it how it was marketed?: Ofcourse it is

    Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta?: They were very far behind, and many people have been fired/replaced

    Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.): Hopefully.. But they havnt really showed anything, so who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    Well what we have seen so far is no new classes, no new professions and no new significant gameplay mechanics.
    So that kinda kills the hype since it more looks like a major patch for Legion.
    Also a lot of people are fed up with sylvanas and her boytoy being the center of the story.

    When the data stops being encrypted we can see more.
    Until then the only neat thing are that the quest zones look nice.
    I rather they make the current classes actyually fun, instead of just adding another class.
    No new profession? yes big suprise, we havent had one since cataclysm...
    no new significant gameplay mechanics? What? what do you deem "significant gameplay mechanics" you got any example?

    but yeah, we need alpha playable soon.tm

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    Quote Originally Posted by This One Time At Bandcamp View Post
    Was it how it was marketed?: Ofcourse it is

    Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta?: They were very far behind, and many people have been fired/replaced

    Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.): Hopefully.. But they havnt really showed anything, so who knows.
    "Many fired/replaced"
    Uhh what? who were fired/replaced?
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Dungo View Post
    Why is no one hyped for Shadowlands? Most expansions are normally talked to death before they come out but Shadowlands seems to be the exception.

    There's so few videos about it.
    There's such little online discussion about it.
    There are next to ZERO Blueposts about the expansion.
    Even on these forums, you can tell discussion is at an all time low. At this rate, Shadowlands will be BfA 3.0, just as Bellular predicted.


    Was it how it was marketed? Was it Sylvanas? Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta? Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.)
    Probably cuz multiple sources have cited that Shadowlands is literally BFA 2.0. SO yeah, id link them but u can just google it and im sure it will pop right up.

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    Shadowlands brings nothing of note to the table, there is no hype because there should be no hype

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    1. Revendreth looks like portions of stormheim? Can you show me?
    2. Bastion looks like mac'aree? Cause its got yellow grass in places, is that literally fucking it?


    1) No, this is not a retcon, they made it using the powers of the nathrezim, what we find in shadowlands is where the nathrezim get their power, and where they learned to make these artifacts, they still made the helm and frostmourne, that is still true in shadowlands, but the crafting that madfe them, originated in the shadowlands.

    2) Where they? we have had them described that way, but also as an entirely different realm. and we are not exploring THE ENTIRE shadowlands, only a few of these sections

    3) no, this is not true, you seem to have a weird understanding of lore. She has been stopping souls from goign to their respective areas, as in bwomsombdi and the lich king. but they are BEFORE the shadowlands, think of them like a coin sorter, the first level (the outer world) sorts out the souls, those who made deals with bwomsamdi, or are slain by soul sucking weapons. or are raised before the souls can move on. Then below is where all the ones that are missed go to, and this is the shadowlands.


    syvlanas is not "directing them somehow to the jailor" sometime recently death itself has been broken, and now ALL SOULS that do not get sorted out at the start, when they reach the shadowlands arebeing dumped in the maw. this is not a gigantic retcon, this is you not understanding the story.

    4) yes, it still is just a tool for controlling the undead, but how does it do that? by having a MASSIVE connection to the shadowlands, able to stop souls and raise them, BEFORE they are sent to the shadowlands.

    A small outlit in a house is not the entire power of your house, but hook a car battery up to it and suddenly your fuse will blow off.

    5) this is not entirely confirmed, if you got a source of this go ahead.

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    Why are you ban evading?
    1) In the original lore, Kil'jaedan and the Nathrezim personally created both items. There was NEVER mention of the Shadowlands.

    2) There are numerous quests where you go to the Shadowlands, one such example being the original DK starter area. It was also established that whenever you were corpse running, you were in the Shadowlands. They're retconning all of that for this dumpster fire of an exapansion.

    3) That is absolutely NOT what the lore was. Did you even do the Vol'jin questline? It's said that Sylvanas raising someone traps the soul in the body and doesn't it allow it to move on which was upsetting the balance. It's why Bwonsamdi asked Tal'anji to kill her in return for getting rid of her father's deal.

    4) Your comment about the Helm is literally the recent retconned lore.

    5) It was confirmed in a recent Blizzard interview where apparently the Lich King was meant to be put in place to prevent the Jailer from becoming too powerful. Which is a gigantic retcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungo View Post
    Why is no one hyped for Shadowlands? Most expansions are normally talked to death before they come out but Shadowlands seems to be the exception.

    There's so few videos about it.
    There's such little online discussion about it.
    There are next to ZERO Blueposts about the expansion.
    Even on these forums, you can tell discussion is at an all time low. At this rate, Shadowlands will be BfA 3.0, just as Bellular predicted.


    Was it how it was marketed? Was it Sylvanas? Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta? Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.)
    1. People say it is not hyped every expansion (except WoD but we saw how that went)
    2. WoW playerbase becomes smaller and smaller, chances are that many dont give a flying fuck anymore.
    3. what is there to be excited about? It's basically a big patch. expansions haven't given us anything really worth hyping for since what? Cataclysm? MoP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest View Post
    Shadowlands brings nothing of note to the table, there is no hype because there should be no hype
    This. I am amazed that Blizzard even still dares to release expansions with no actual worthy content, this is like 3rd expansion in a row.
    I wonder how much subs WoW has left at this point, wouldn't be surprised if its globally around 2M. Max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post

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    "Many fired/replaced"
    Uhh what? who were fired/replaced?
    Almost exactly a year ago, Blizzard/Activision fired 800 employees.. (I know most of these were not from development, but still)

    Also keep in mind how many big personalities the company lost the last couple of years. Frank Pearce (Who worked on most expansions after Vanilla), Chris Metzen, Mike Morhaime. All that gotta take its toll on a company.

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    Zero trust to Blizzard until product is finished.

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    Wanna know why there's no hype?
    Carol fuckin' Baskin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    1) In the original lore, Kil'jaedan and the Nathrezim personally created both items. There was NEVER mention of the Shadowlands.

    2) There are numerous quests where you go to the Shadowlands, one such example being the original DK starter area. It was also established that whenever you were corpse running, you were in the Shadowlands. They're retconning all of that for this dumpster fire of an exapansion.

    3) That is absolutely NOT what the lore was. Did you even do the Vol'jin questline? It's said that Sylvanas raising someone traps the soul in the body and doesn't it allow it to move on which was upsetting the balance. It's why Bwonsamdi asked Tal'anji to kill her in return for getting rid of her father's deal.

    4) Your comment about the Helm is literally the recent retconned lore.

    5) It was confirmed in a recent Blizzard interview where apparently the Lich King was meant to be put in place to prevent the Jailer from becoming too powerful. Which is a gigantic retcon.
    1) there was mention of it being from the power of the nathrezim, which at the time it was a mystery where it came from, other then "Some vampiric realm"

    2) Yes, but there is many realms to the shadowlands, again, the area we are going to is not azeroth, its other realms

    3) yes i literally just said that, sylvanas is stopping them before it can get to the others, that is literally what she is doing, she is raising the dead before they can be sent to where they belong, but he raising stuff has nothing to do with the shadowlands and the maw.

    4) no, no it is not. The helmet has always been a tool for controlling the dead, so where do you think it got that power. ADDDING stuff to which was not explained before is not retconning, it is ADDING story.

    Me: "I got a car"
    You: "cool"
    Me: "Yeah it is a honda"
    You: "why the fuck did you lie to me?"
    Me: "I didnt"
    You: "Yes you did, you said you bought a car, but then suddenly changed it into a honda, wow what a fucking liar dont retcon"
    Literally what you are saying.

    5) then link that, cause that sounds sorta made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by This One Time At Bandcamp View Post
    Almost exactly a year ago, Blizzard/Activision fired 800 employees.. (I know most of these were not from development, but still)

    Also keep in mind how many big personalities the company lost the last couple of years. Frank Pearce (Who worked on most expansions after Vanilla), Chris Metzen, Mike Morhaime. All that gotta take its toll on a company.
    ALRIGHT let me fill you in, as obviously you didnt do your research.

    activision blizzard fired 800 people.
    only 137 of these people were blizzard.
    NONE OF THESE PEOPLE were from development
    11 of them were QA (Quality assurance)
    The rest were stuff to do with the recent heroes of the storm losing its esports (which meant removing a bunch of staff that were no longer needed.)

    Not a single developer was fired, and since then they have constantly been hiring new developers.

    If you are using that as an example, shall we go back to 2012 when blizzard, not activision/blizzard, fired 600 staff, many of them being developers?

    Yes, people retire/move on after decades in the same company, and no, 1 or 2 people is not gunna "Take a big toll" Chris isnt even gone, he has just retired, but he is still working with blizzard, just after more then 2 decades, the dude wants a break, idk if you know but he was in the hospital for a super long time my dude, he deserves one.
    Especially since frank still works at blizz... he is just an advisor now.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Dungo View Post
    Why is no one hyped for Shadowlands? Most expansions are normally talked to death before they come out but Shadowlands seems to be the exception.

    There's so few videos about it.
    There's such little online discussion about it.
    There are next to ZERO Blueposts about the expansion.
    Even on these forums, you can tell discussion is at an all time low. At this rate, Shadowlands will be BfA 3.0, just as Bellular predicted.


    Was it how it was marketed? Was it Sylvanas? Why is it taking so long to see an alpha or beta? Maybe Blizzard is keeping it under wraps for now because they have some huge, exciting announcements for it.. ? (Doubt it.)
    I'm super hyped, so there goes your thread.

  20. #140
    First Expansion I might sit out. The trailer at Blizzcon was very nice, but offered very little for me in terms of hype or interest.

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