Which means MORE THAN HALF of the player base would have to sit in qs at some points while other faction won't. Imagine not being able to login into a raid because your server is 70/30 and there is just a few alliance online. Not because servers are full. I would be pissed. Being penalised for playing the faction I want...
Don’t need more people to go alliance if the servers are more balanced. If you want to play horde that bad then sit in a q.
I play alliance, if I had to sit into a q to play when I knew horde didn’t, I would 100% roll horde. Not saying others will just saying I would
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Actually, yeah for the most part that’s the type of servers I end up on.
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Yeah I can imagine it because it happens literally every single day with server qs. Except it’s every single person on that server. And they sit through it just fine.
If you want to play horde that bad on a specific server you can sit in a q if it’s imbalanced. Your little wait time will literally ensure your server doesn’t die like what happened on stalag.
You’re afraid of the booster shot because of the pain and you’re completely ignoring the disease it’s fixing in the process.
Sort of like... a child
Also just a side note, if you’re horde rolling on a server that’s 80/20 horde, you should in no way be ‘pissed’ if this happens. You are seeking an easy ride. If you want an easy ride play a pve server. If you’re one of those people who see no problem with rolling horde on a 80:20 or higher server then you need to just sit out of talks when it comes to server imbalance.
You’re the cancer we are attempting to fix. And we shouldn’t listen to cancer on how to fix cancer
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Because instead of fixing the problem that causes unbalanced servers (op racials) it's a bandaid fix that only further benefits the already favored faction.
Instead of a change like this, make a proper change. Balance racials.
Give Alliance Every Man for Himself in TBC already (it came in Wrath), or remove Hardiness and WOTF.
I would be for this before merc mode. That’s a really dumb suggestion. That’s just asking for horde to have their cake and eat it too. So they can have no q times in bgs while also living their dream of 80/20 servers.
I just don’t understand it. Before classic started I would tell people over and over again that this is not and will never be a good idea to swarm a server like this. It just makes the alliance leave and it kills your server. They all say “git gud” and then low and behold you get stalag.
Then we come back to the same issue when discussing tbc and yet again here we are with horde players trying to swarm a server and justifying it with this stupidity as if we didn’t JUST see what happens when you do nothing about balance
yeah prot pal gearing was better in TBC, but top raid Hpals still wore wore combos of mail, leather and cloth. WOTLK gear fixed all that. wasn't uncommon to see fury wars wearing some leather pieces too back then. agility was also key for them, WOTLK gear also fixed that.
BM hunters depending on what they were doing, wore full cloth sets, with +healing power enchants for tank pet, blizzard nerfed that when it was discovered they were soloing 5 man heriocs. it was more of a valid gear set than the meme cloth rogue +spellpower set
TBC was still a free gear era to explore and come up with new ideas, etc. WOTLK ganked all that
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Did you just get done watching asmongold video or something? and decided that giving all paladins seal of blood was a good idea? Yeah hard pass. Only horde should get seal of blood. period.
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Oh maybe we should give all priests, not just dwarves, fear ward in classic cause it'll cause faction inbalance there too?
And while they're at it, let's balance DPS so that every class does exactly the same damage. Maybe we can just make most classes resource spend/build. Maybe we can add a few new classes, like maybe Death Knights, Monks and Demon Hunters. And maybe they could add things to help make finding groups easier, too. They could call it something like Looking for Group. And even expand the idea to include raids. Oh, and everybody hates dailies so we should rename them. And then also give rewards for doing a certain number of them.
Huh. I think you might have figured it out.
My realm (Classic), Noggenfogger EU, was around 65% horde to 35% alliance ...and then blizzard opened free realm transfer because the realm was overpopulated. The result? All alliance who constantly were ganked and unable to farm or fight on fair grounds left, by the time Blizzard closed realm transfers we had a 80% horde to 20% alliance split ...which in reality is more like 95% horde in the open world because (we) the alliance hide in major cities. Before BGs were added it go so bad that horde made raids to IF just to get some pvp kills, it's gotten better since BGs were added... but it's still suicide to go in the open world without a full raid with you- and even then you're in high risk of losing all your world buffs before entering the raid.
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Wow, thanks.
Classic had no changes and I don't want any on TBC. That is it. Stalagg died because of how crap pvp system is in classic, not because of imbalance and that is not the only reason, half of the realms are like that because "they thought they do, but they didn't".
Realms like Kazzak, Tarren Mill are top performing realms in retail, despite having no alliance on it, tho I get killed the most often, if I jump into kazzak grp. Ravencrest and Silvermoon are in top tier realms despite having no horde on it. You have bigger community and player pool if your server is one faction dominant, it will always be like that. The is not enough alliance playing the game on pvp realms, that is it. Despite having similar population alliance just decided to turn off their war mode for some reason despite of being unfairly rewarded for having it on. 3/10 top horde realms are PvE while 5/10 are PvE for alliance.
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Top 10 alliance pop realms had 5/10 realms PvE before war mode while horde is 3/10 (EU data) So there is that. Player disbalance itself at the max level it is not very big, it's just that more players decided to turn it off because they were on PvE realm before creating a domino effect. Having bigger rewards for being in WM does not help either, alliance complains that they are forced into pvp because of 25% bonus while horde complains that alliance is unfairly rewarded.
On the racials, I seriously still need to meet anyone in wow who changed faction because of the racial. I know plenty who changed race, but no one who changed factions. I would assume that would be players on top performing tier, so it would make sense that I have not met them. I have been in huge community casual guild with 5 raid groups in one guild for hc/mythic raiding and I have been in casual raiding guild which usually ended in top 500-800 bracket. The only faction change reasons were because people wanted to play blood elfs I think so they went horde at some point. I have seen someone going alliance, because of how SW is better than OG and crap like that. Wanna see more alliance? GIVE THEM WINGS! way more players care about looking cool rather than "shit, this is giving me 2.59% dps increase"
If a realm has a capacity of about 3000 concurrent players and the realm is split 80-20 in favor of one faction the queues would be enormous. If 200 of Faction A (minority faction) is currently on then you only allow 200 of Faction B(majority faction) on and make everyone else in Faction B sit in queues for a realm that's mostly empty?
That's nuts and a fine recipe to eventually have no one playing on PVP realms.
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No I have not, I haven't watched Asmongold at all. Maybe it's new for you but there are people out there that can form original thoughts without some "influencer" doing the thinking for them.
And from your Priest example it's clear you don't understand the severity of the situation. Fear ward for Priests in classic are incomparable. It's not like Fear Ward is the difference between them being viable or not, and with that the difference between them being brought along the the raids or not and with that the difference in having access to the other utilities they bring.
Meanwhile seal of blood is the difference between Classic lolret and being one of the more stronger dps classes in TBC.
Hope they won't make any changes to Shadowlands so you can be satisfied mr retail player.
That wasn't Wotlk, that was Cata.
Cata introduced Armor specializations, not Wotlk.
And Pallies / Shaman becoming extreme crossdressers also became a bit more rare in TBC (barring a few items) because Blizzard got their itemization straight (alongside generally more useful tier sets).
That's a thing in Vanilla because you have cloth / leather items that have Mp5 / Spell Crit, which were far less common in TBC, Spellcrit / Mp5 was mainly present on Mail and Plate items.
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Well those changes seem more stupid because blizz is way more likely to fuck up a big change like that.
There would be no way to approach the faction imbalance without a change, but what you’re proposing is more structural. A band aid fix is much safer, if everyone wants to be horde what’s wrong with that?
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Well those changes seem more stupid because blizz is way more likely to fuck up a big change like that.
There would be no way to approach the faction imbalance without a change, but what you’re proposing is more structural. A band aid fix is much safer, if everyone wants to be horde what’s wrong with that?
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along side making it available to all paladins, regardless of faction, I'd like to see Seal of Blood be changed to where it prevents healing taken for a bit after judging with it, just to balance it out
Thank you for posting this and proving people who back up imbalance and just complete fucking morons and should be ignored. Because if they didn’t believe it before this post will certainly convince them.
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It would never get to that point if you had it on from the start. Also, nice crazy ridiculous scenario that will likely never happen.
Here is that what we are doing? Just making up crazy scenarios? Ok let me try.
“Guys if we don’t do anything with the imbalance literally every single person will go horde, there will be no more world pvp, no more bgs, no more sunwell”