Shadowlands Class Updates, Zul'Gurub Opens April 15, WoW Classic Free Character Moves

[natham]

not bad blizzard, not bad

Just like every time on alpha/beta... everything look cool till not make it live or get changed or nerfed..

[sirethas]

"Ever resourceful and hungry for an edge, Outlaw Rogues have traded in the Combo Point requirement of Roll the Bones for a modifiable cooldown which can be manipulated to line up with their staggering finishing moves."
Alright, while I'm happy they are changing roll the garbage I'm kinda interested what is replacing it for maintaining buff, they didn't mention SnD, or is it going to be same but it just won't cost any combo point and has cd? If it's the second it sounds like nerf to me since you won't be able to reroll but you are stuck with what you get untill you get your CD back. I'm really thrilled for Surrender to Madness comeback though

[Domm530]

Playing shaman since vanilla and elemental since MoP, i'm appelled. Basically we're getting useless spell back and a gameplay far more boring that Legion one. I'm afraid I just have to wait the release of Classic: Legion.

I definitly loved the shaman from tbc more then i do now, but to each their own.

Yeah wait for it, nobody will play it. In a matter of months people will realise legion is by far the worst expansion to date, and is pretty much responsible for the shot 5 years we had in wow now already. But hey, people are blind

[ThatsOurEric]

All of this looks downright terrible. There was class identity, each spec played uniquely from each other.

And there was nothing wrong with it.

All this going back bullshit sucks, and is very very disappointing.

[Cosmic Janitor]

This is going to be frosty expansion for me, because both frost specs sound lovely.

2H back is awsome and doing away with the akward timing window of flurry will be such a boon for positioning.

[Devilyaki]

Ranged sv please

[Agrias2x]

I don't like Warrior changes they look terrible. Can we just go back to late Legion classes plx.

[Bane-Thunder-God]

this all reads so awful
they wotlk'ifying every class. as if taking 1 step forward and 2 steps backs isnt enough theyre going 10 miles back.

People like you need to disappear for good.

WOTLK Classes felt amazing they all had their identity and played far better than they do today. Thats why Wrath had the highest recorded subs for WoW.

[Lora]

gross. people forget how garbage the eclipse cycle was for balance.

[InfiniteRetro]

Ursol's Vortex for druids exclusively for Restoration?

[Tiwack]

Looks like we're back to getting steamrolled by stancedancing warriors lol

[Alkizon]

Well... it's kind of something closer to "right direction" as a first step towards more global changes (with exception stuff about insanity&holy power mechanics <resource discussions here> and this hunter's part, same as RtB for rogues). In short, there is still much to work with: number of Class' ones and abilities in general (take even just shamans and paladins, totems and blessings+seals&judgments, warriors/dk/monks "stance bars", rogues, hunters' aspects+sting+traps, hp' chakras, druids' stuff, usable weapons' types and universal organization(firstly - to trash PvP perks, back to "division" characteristics)... just work and work), form of talents and their purpose, and so on and so on... but, I can give asterisk for efforts. Yes, there is direction, but still it's "just a" direction.

The whole system of covenants makes very big mistake with next functional's takeout beyond limits of classes, which (as million times have already been repeated) should never happen. Therefore, it's precisely in class' thread that I want to "spit" in this piece of $hit, which has every chance of spoiling even if direction being right as a whole.

Also.

Lora
gross. people forget how garbage the eclipse cycle was for balance.

It wasn’t, organization it as rotation's binding was, system of rigid rotation is always stupid, interdependence of abilities together with talents (that’s why I mention above about talents' form/system, they have completely different purpose than perks' = current one) should always strive for maximum “situational/optional” use depending on current needs/preferences (= own tactics), correct prioritization and cooldowns for each particular case, not dog's waltz for any.

lollerlaban
Survival hunter was always meant to be melee viable.

That's fallacy, answer still here (hit and run tactics, can keep range no matter what, melee is compensation for dead shoot zone, since specialization on traps, even if with animals basis, not on "bombs" or fighting side by side with pet).

[Super Kami Dende]

All of this looks downright terrible. There was class identity, each spec played uniquely from each other.

And there was nothing wrong with it.

All this going back bullshit sucks, and is very very disappointing.

Each Spec still does play differently. It's just going back to having more spells that were base to a Class than having everything past lvl 10 be only spec specific.

I don't see how that is at all terrible. Being a Ret Pally shouldn't instantly remove your ability to learn some Holy spells. Since you are still a Paladin that is specialised more in Retribution. Current WoW Specs are basically their own classes.

[MrKnubbles]

Not all of us enjoyed it. It's too much like a warrior or other builder/spender. Been enh since vanilla and I'm very happy about this!

That's probably why I like it, then. It just feels really awkward to have your bars filled with all these spells that only get used when they're instant cast. I don't play Shaman much anyways but I hope they're not just adding stuff back for the sake of it.

[subsidalos]

Just like every time on alpha/beta... everything look cool till not make it live or get changed or nerfed..

Oh trust me, if they change everything and go right back to the stupidity they've been producing for the past two years then I'll have no problem trashing them all over again

[Jetstream]

I concider Holy Word with it's "cooldown reduced by casting other spells" a builder spender rotation. Don't you?

Not particularly.

[oland138]

*Laughs in shaman*
Are you new?

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Of course it wouldn't come back, it was a giant meme.

So was melee hunter. What's your point?

[lollerlaban]

So was melee hunter. What's your point?

Survival hunter was always meant to be melee viable, 2 handed enhancement wasn't.

[oland138]

Survival hunter was always meant to be melee viable, 2 handed enhancement wasn't.

What are you talking about? In classic, shamans couldn't even dual wield and the entire enhancement tree was about using a 2-hander

[Kalarm]

That's probably why I like it, then. It just feels really awkward to have your bars filled with all these spells that only get used when they're instant cast. I don't play Shaman much anyways but I hope they're not just adding stuff back for the sake of it.

Erm they weren't? The rotation was made of Stormstrike, lava lash, frost (earth pre-WoD) and flame shock, unleash element and finally lightning bolt and chain lightning. Only LB (for ST) and CL (for AoE) needed maelstrom for instant cast. If you were in PVP you would usually use maelstrom to cast healing wave but that's about it. Some raids I've casted healing rains too. Totems also did not need any maelstrom.

It was far from having a bar filled with things you can't cast. That was part of the fun of it. Hell if you had 4 charges and nothing to press it was actually better to cast LB then wait. If you had a phase in the fight where you can't get close to the boss, you could still throw weaker LB and CL from far + your shocks. If anything the current enh is more limiting, there is a lot more stuff that required maelstrom.