Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst
1
2
3
  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Ah, that image. Fair enough, I thought by "classic image", you refered to the cover art and not the loading screen - which is, arguably, more classic and iconic.
    https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpe...x-WC2Cover.jpg
    https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpe..._I_-_Cover.jpg for reference
    "i was 8 and stumbled upon my brother loading Warcraft 2 on our first ever computer, it was the classic image of a Human Footman facing an Orc Grunt"

    As to: https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpe...x-WC2Cover.jpg , I reply to you:


  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Maybe mail is not done yet? Also I would like to know if one character unlocks all cosmetics or do I have to have 16 characters (4 of every armour type) go through all the covenant stuff to unlock. o_O

    And yeah...Several abilities for the classes in any covenant are "in progress" - I wonder how far that x-pac really is...guess we will hear soon from the lucky ones in alpha.
    I want to know if you can actually unlock them in the first place. I'm very concerned that we can't unlock them at all or even if we do we need to be allied with the respective covenant to use them, like with seasonal event transmogs. They could also use the faction flag system that is currently in place.. Blizzard has the means to lock these and this feels like the place where they would actually do it for stupid reasons.
    Last edited by Haidaes; 2020-04-08 at 02:34 PM.
    /tar Tinker-zealot /point /lol
    WoW:Shadowlands - Danuser's Divina Commedia?

  3. #43
    To infinity and beyond det's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    The forums
    Posts
    34,938
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I want to know if you can actually unlock them in the first place. I'm very concerned that we can't unlock them at all or even if we do we need to be allied with the respective covenant to use them, like with seasonal event transmogs. They could also use the faction flag system that is currently in place.. Blizzard has the means to lock these and this feels like the place where they would actually do it for stupid reasons.
    Hmm..obviously no idea. I was naive enough to think it is like "Unlocks at exalted" and is then accountwide - but yeah...I suppose it could be that it is only usable for a character who is also aligned with that covenant...and it goes accountwide in 10. or so.

  4. #44
    Is this World of Warcraft ?

  5. #45
    Elemental Lord Kyphael's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    8,154
    Quote Originally Posted by Phuongvi View Post
    Is this World of Warcraft ?
    No, it's Hello Kitty: Island Adventure

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    No, it's Hello Kitty: Island Adventure
    That means the wrinting is finally going to improve?
    /tar Tinker-zealot /point /lol
    WoW:Shadowlands - Danuser's Divina Commedia?

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    See above...this "shit" was indeed apparently already made up on the fly somewhere in the 1990s
    Making up things on the fly isn't inherently bad. You have to start somewhere after all. It just seems weird to me that they would so easily disregard the older parts of their own creation out of laziness or ignorance. It's not incredibly hard to have some degree of consistency. It's not a new phenomenon though. Blizzard has retconned so many ridiculous, unnecessary things ever since TBC hit the shelves.

    I don't know what the reasoning is. Maybe they think telling "interesting" stories is more valuable than internal consistency but to me the lack of a solid canonical framework that remains untouched by retcons simply devalues all the possible stories they could make out of this. You can't build your house on sand after all.

  8. #48
    Elemental Lord Kyphael's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    8,154
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    That means the wrinting is finally going to improve?
    I wouldn't bet on it with Danuser in charge.

  9. #49
    This looks like a fanfic of a new writer that never played any of the previous games or expansions and dont have the passion of reading all of the backstory of hundred of old quests and just retcon everything to make a shiny new HOLY LIGHT BLUE and RED DARK SPIKE zones.

    Oh, hello Cristie Golden.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Making up things on the fly isn't inherently bad. You have to start somewhere after all. It just seems weird to me that they would so easily disregard the older parts of their own creation out of laziness or ignorance. It's not incredibly hard to have some degree of consistency. It's not a new phenomenon though. Blizzard has retconned so many ridiculous, unnecessary things ever since TBC hit the shelves.

    I don't know what the reasoning is. Maybe they think telling "interesting" stories is more valuable than internal consistency but to me the lack of a solid canonical framework that remains untouched by retcons simply devalues all the possible stories they could make out of this. You can't build your house on sand after all.
    Well even back then they couldn't be consistent, see the draenei retcons in TBC. Today we have the added effect of the original writers no longer being around and the general mindset of the new garde in most popculture jobs is that they can't do no wrong and they own the place now. Respect for the canon and the work of their seniors is pretty much no longer a thing these days.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    I wouldn't bet on it with Danuser in charge.
    Oh no, he writes for Hello Kitty as well now?
    /tar Tinker-zealot /point /lol
    WoW:Shadowlands - Danuser's Divina Commedia?

  11. #51
    Banned Varodoc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    Telogrus Rift
    Posts
    5,355
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Jackson View Post
    ugh....i dunno....i went from my grandma to my parents' appartment when i was 8 and stumbled upon my brother loading Warcraft 2 on our first ever computer
    it was the classic image of a Human Footman facing an Orc Grunt

    now i'm going to fight the spirits in the afterlife and Sylvanas....again....again....

    not really feeling it
    So you think a franchise shouldn't explore new themes in 25 years? Lmao.

  12. #52
    To infinity and beyond det's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    The forums
    Posts
    34,938
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Making up things on the fly isn't inherently bad. You have to start somewhere after all. It just seems weird to me that they would so easily disregard the older parts of their own creation out of laziness or ignorance. It's not incredibly hard to have some degree of consistency. It's not a new phenomenon though. Blizzard has retconned so many ridiculous, unnecessary things ever since TBC hit the shelves.

    I don't know what the reasoning is. Maybe they think telling "interesting" stories is more valuable than internal consistency but to me the lack of a solid canonical framework that remains untouched by retcons simply devalues all the possible stories they could make out of this. You can't build your house on sand after all.
    Beats me, too. Maybe it is addressing a newer audience and sorting stuff out for the books and whatever extra stuff is out there?

    I mean..let me take an example from movies and give you the new SW films or the rebooted Star Trek and now Star Trek Picard. Old fans are almost foaming from the mouth how the new additions invalidate the legacy or change characters, yet you will find enough ppl who are totally fine with a Mary Sue or `splosions and Kirk now being constantly running and shouting or ppl swearing like sailors. "Sheer fucking hubris" anyone? Almost glad that pretty much all other attempts at remaking stuff failed. From Terminator to Ghostbusters to Total Recall, Charlies Angels, The Predator..all of it. Show some respect and creativity. Maybe easier said than done, but there are examples how it can work.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    So you think a franchise shouldn't explore new themes in 25 years? Lmao.
    Dunno about the guy you quoted, but it seems that some folks take an issue with inconsistencies.

    But overall, yeah the franchise IMHO should and MUST explore different things..and if you ask me, they always did...already by travelling to Outland, but also discovering Pandaria and even WoD I applaud for trying to get us to meet all these important lore characters.

    Wasn't always handled in the best way...speaking subjectively here.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Josyel View Post
    This looks like a fanfic of a new writer that never played any of the previous games or expansions and dont have the passion of reading all of the backstory of hundred of old quests and just retcon everything to make a shiny new HOLY LIGHT BLUE and RED DARK SPIKE zones.

    Oh, hello Cristie Golden.
    True. I read the Arthas novel which my son had bought when he was 13 and I thought..okay..maybe at 13 I would have enjoyed it, because I didn't know better - but as an adult (hell, even as a juvenile who read LotR at the age of 16) I found it unbearable trash.

    Then again Twilight and 50 shades of Grey made tons of money, so what do I know?
    Last edited by det; 2020-04-08 at 04:10 PM.

  13. #53
    Epic! Redroniksre's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Cambridge, Ontario
    Posts
    1,574
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    It absolutely was fleshed out. There are a lot of quests that had you entering the Shadowlands. This expansion retcons the fuck out of so much lore and has made me lose all faith in the writers.
    I am pretty sure it is -not- fleshed out. Though if you count quests where you "phase" into a Shadowlands version as what content -you- want for it, then sure. I mean they did the same with Emerald dream, remember entering that with a green border around your screen? I am sure you wouldn't want that instead of what we got in Legion.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    I am pretty sure it is -not- fleshed out. Though if you count quests where you "phase" into a Shadowlands version as what content -you- want for it, then sure. I mean they did the same with Emerald dream, remember entering that with a green border around your screen? I am sure you wouldn't want that instead of what we got in Legion.
    I mean, if it's not fleshed out then they shouldn't struggle so hard with not retconning things, right?

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    So you think a franchise shouldn't explore new themes in 25 years? Lmao.
    it's working great for Warhammer 40k, LOTR, ESO, etc

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    I am pretty sure it is -not- fleshed out. Though if you count quests where you "phase" into a Shadowlands version as what content -you- want for it, then sure. I mean they did the same with Emerald dream, remember entering that with a green border around your screen? I am sure you wouldn't want that instead of what we got in Legion.
    Except the Emerald Dream was a placeholder but in lore it was much more fleshed out. The Shadowlands, in lore, was always described as just a shadowy grey version of whatever world you were on. It wasn't a whole big new place like the emerald Dream.

  17. #57
    Epic! Redroniksre's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Cambridge, Ontario
    Posts
    1,574
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Except the Emerald Dream was a placeholder but in lore it was much more fleshed out. The Shadowlands, in lore, was always described as just a shadowy grey version of whatever world you were on. It wasn't a whole big new place like the emerald Dream.
    Right, and you can't make interesting zones doing that, so they took liberties. Otherwise we would be doing just like we were before, brief glimpses. But we didn't know much else, other than Helya and the Valkyr which aren't being retconned with Bastion.

  18. #58
    Mechagnome
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Silvermoon Citadel
    Posts
    617
    Yeah, is this even wow anymore? Why do you spoil and showcase as much as you can, so it gets boring to most people when it finally arrives?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yeah, is this even wow anymore? Why do you spoil and showcase as much as you can, so it gets boring to most people when it finally arrives? Looks boring btw : )

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    Right, and you can't make interesting zones doing that, so they took liberties. Otherwise we would be doing just like we were before, brief glimpses. But we didn't know much else, other than Helya and the Valkyr which aren't being retconned with Bastion.
    Or....Blizzard could have had a creative idea for once instead of royally fucking their own god damned lore. Sure, you can't make interesting zones out of how they had established the shadowlands. So instead of taking a dump on your own lore, you come up with -something else-.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    Right, again no characters said anything because there was nothing to say. They never fleshed out the afterlife before Shadowlands, only hints here and there. So, as i see it, they have complete creative freedom to do what they want, because there are no rules and no toes to step on when creating it.



    Specifics will certainly get retconned, mainly thinking of the time difference, i can bet they will forget all about that. They threw in base stories for all the other "zones" in Azeroth, like the Emerald Dream, because they weren't really going to touch them. Now we have reached the point where we have been everywhere, so they have to dig up these old bones and give them new life so its actually interesting (since a mirror reality would kinda be boring, though Torghast mirrors ICC)
    the argument of time skip is silly at best, time passed differently on AU draenor as well but we didn't get a time skip. why should we get a time skip here? and btw there is no mention of time passing differently in shadowlands

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •