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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler View Post
    They're just energy.

    Do you need energy for moving your body around all day? No? You'll see better results off the carbs.
    no thank you, I'd rather not deal with brain fog and feeling restricted and unhappy and having to deal with that nonsense for weeks in hopes that my body eventual adjusts and stops getting sick constantly. I know keto etc works for some people and more power to you, but for the rest of us mortals - sticking to a BALANCED diet is a much easier, less stressful and as such - more effective choice.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler View Post
    They're just energy.

    Do you need energy for moving your body around all day? No? You'll see better results off the carbs.
    You seem to be missing the overall point witchblade77 is making here. They key to a healthy lifestyle is finding a balance between what is healthy and what is comforting. You can lose weight and be healthy eating just about anything but pure sugar, as long as you're aware of how many calories you're taking in vs how many you're burning.

    Unless you're just looking for a temporary diet to fit a particular goal that you don't intend to maintain it's better to eat what you love in moderation.
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  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    You seem to be missing the overall point witchblade77 is making here. They key to a healthy lifestyle is finding a balance between what is healthy and what is comforting. You can lose weight and be healthy eating just about anything but pure sugar, as long as you're aware of how many calories you're taking in vs how many you're burning.

    Unless you're just looking for a temporary diet to fit a particular goal that you don't intend to maintain it's better to eat what you love in moderation.
    exactly! that is the point exactly!

    I'm not saying that its totaly ok to eat nothing but white bread for breakfast, lunch and dinner - that would be incredibly unbalanced and unsustainable and unhealthy because you will not be getting all the micro and macro nutrients body needs to thrive. I'm saying that you don't have to give up things you love entirely.

    a good rule of thumb I found to be healthy whole foods 80% of the time, and whatever you want 20% of the time. so a more concrete example would be for instance a balanced lunch with good amount of protein, veggies, etc... with your favorite cookie for desert. fill up on nutrient dense foods and then that one cookie is enough and you don't feel as much of a desire to eat a whole bag of them.

    one caveat is.. I won't claim that everyone has it, but I would say a good number of people do. trigger foods. foods that we absolutely positively cannot stop eating even when we are full, because they trigger response in our brain that is incredibly difficult to manage. for me, for example - that food is dark chocolate covered cherries from cellas. anything else, i'm perfectly content and satisfied with having a small portion of. cellas... its like a tranquilizer dart for my willpower. so I do not buy them anymore, so that there is no temptation to deal with to begin with. out of sight, out of mind. because i do not restrict myself from anything else (that my body can process) - the occasional pang of "I could use a cherry about now" is easier to get over. ironically, its easier to deal with that not being able to eat brussel sprouts ever again, because in a back of my mind I know that if a craving gets too strong, I can just go to a nearby grocery shop and buy an individual cellas they have at a counter, and knowing that I could have it if I wanted to - makes a word of difference. brussel sprouts is something my body categorically refuses to manage, so even though I love them. I cannot have them. even though they are right there, fresh and gorgeous, staring at me from the shelf right next to broccoli... sorry, got carried away a little :P food intolerances suck.

    this would be one instance in which I would say, maybe white bread is not a good idea after all. if white bread happens to be an individual's trigger food. then I would replace it with reasonable facsimile (for example - sourdough bread) that comes close enough but doesn't trigger that "MUST. EAT. THE WHOLE. BAG" response.

    unless you are training for something specific short term, what you eat on a diet should be what you are happy and content to eat for the rest of your life. you just stay in deficit, adjusting your portions as you go - until you hit your goal weight and then you stay in maintenance calorie range.

  4. #104
    I feel both mentally and physically best on a low carb/sugar diet + fasting for 16-18 hours.. Only lift weights 1-2 times a week for 30min and I got a light 6 pack. Generally I stop eating around 5pm and don't eat again until 10am sometimes even 12pm. And always remember everything in moderation, even moderation.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by DANGERDAAIN View Post
    I feel both mentally and physically best on a low carb/sugar diet + fasting for 16-18 hours.. Only lift weights 1-2 times a week for 30min and I got a light 6 pack. Generally I stop eating around 5pm and don't eat again until 10am sometimes even 12pm. And always remember everything in moderation, even moderation.
    Something similar worked for me too. I stop eating around 6pm, which means fasting until I breakfast, something like 9am. Low sugar diet but I eat carbs, pasta, rice, bread, but I reduce the amount as the day goes by. 3/4 times per weak some weights and bit of cardio, around 30 min. I've lost a ton of weight. I was at 112kg before that.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    no thank you, I'd rather not deal with brain fog and feeling restricted and unhappy and having to deal with that nonsense for weeks in hopes that my body eventual adjusts and stops getting sick constantly. I know keto etc works for some people and more power to you, but for the rest of us mortals - sticking to a BALANCED diet is a much easier, less stressful and as such - more effective choice.
    Yeah, which is why I said "better results".

    You can definitely still see results while eating carbs. They just won't come as quickly. The compromise for the quick results is going to be that you feel like absolute death.

    I've done a bit of everything to see what works best for me. Keto was too aggressive for me, and balancing my diet to feel good was simply too slow for my liking. I felt like I was still depriving myself of stuff I want (Pizza and Burritos btw), without any legitimate payoff.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I don’t want to lift, because I don’t want muscle mass. And I think training endurance still builds muscle? Also, cardio is too much work for just losing half a meal’s worth of calories.

    I used to weigh 95 lbs. Now I’m almost double that. I used to drink tea when I had cravings, but now there’s popcorn, chips and ice cream around. Should I just not eat as much? Is that really all?
    Sustained calorie deficit of around 300 - 500 calories below your "maintenance" i.e. the # of calories to keep you at the exact same weight. Though make sure it is balanced; protein is high satiety, so will keep you full, but don't skip on carbs. If anything, just make it a low fat diet. Fats are 9calories per gram, so they add up very quickly vs. protein and carbs at 4cals per gram.

    As some have mentioned, this involves counting calories, but really it is a function of routine and habit. Take some time to develop breakfasts, Lunches, and Dinners that in aggregate allow you to hit the target of 300 - 500 calories less than maintenance.

    If you don't wish to lift and/or run, walk. Walking actually puts us into the fat-burn heart rate zone, rather than cardio or anaerobic modes, so its perfect, and easy on the body.

    Also - stay hydrated. WE can't burn fat if we're dehydrated!

    Just stick to that, and the rest is about patience.
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  8. #108
    the easiest, quickest and healthiest way to lose weight is to fast.

    as long as you supplement sodium potassium and magnesium you can lose almost a pound a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excessiv View Post
    Also - stay hydrated. WE can't burn fat if we're dehydrated!.
    actually if you're dehydrated it pushes your body into ketosis faster in order to make metabolic water from fat cells so if anything you burn more but obviously thats not sustainable for more then a few days or less depending on climate/location

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    and before anyone tries to say "haha no you're wrong"

    i lost 200 pounds in one year i know what i'm talking about and my bloodwork and everything is great
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I don’t want to lift, because I don’t want muscle mass. And I think training endurance still builds muscle? Also, cardio is too much work for just losing half a meal’s worth of calories.

    I used to weigh 95 lbs. Now I’m almost double that. I used to drink tea when I had cravings, but now there’s popcorn, chips and ice cream around. Should I just not eat as much? Is that really all?
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  10. #110
    In my experience its different for different people, a Exercise based way might work for some but not others, a diet alone could be enough for another group, combining the two covers a lot more people in a broad range too adjusting values, most of the time its a pretty simple formula.

    Find out how much your body wants to exercise in order to burn off your eating habits adjust your eating around how much you want to be outside walking for, if you want to eat a cake a day have fun on 8 hour walks everyday.. but some people can do nothing and be thin, don't be jealous just understand god hates us all in different ways or satan loves us in different ways, or the space gods ignore us in different ways.
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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I don’t want to lift, because I don’t want muscle mass. And I think training endurance still builds muscle? Also, cardio is too much work for just losing half a meal’s worth of calories.

    I used to weigh 95 lbs. Now I’m almost double that. I used to drink tea when I had cravings, but now there’s popcorn, chips, and ice cream around. Should I just not eat as much? Is that really all?

    Cardio isn't just a means for losing weight but also a way to keep your heart healthy. I personally cannot stand running or swimming. Cycling was my go-to for burning calories for a while, but the ritual and time investment was too much. Find something that gets your blood pumping for 30 minutes a day, could even be a short walk. Personally, I've gotten back into DDR and over the last 3 months, I've lost 45lbs (from 255) simply by including 30 minutes to 1 hour of DDR a day.

    When I was experimenting with different foods I found that switching to a more plant-based diet helped a lot. Obviously that isn't for everyone, but just being more conscious of what you're consuming help. A fitness/food tracker is nice for keeping yourself honest. If all of that is too much work, the simplest thing you can do is just skip breakfast. Have your caffeine in the morning to get you spiked up, have a big lunch, don't snack til dinner.

    Idk, just some stuff that worked for me, good luck on the journey. Its a marathon not a sprint.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayia View Post
    In my experience its different for different people, a Exercise based way might work for some but not others, a diet alone could be enough for another group, combining the two covers a lot more people in a broad range too adjusting values, most of the time its a pretty simple formula.

    Find out how much your body wants to exercise in order to burn off your eating habits adjust your eating around how much you want to be outside walking for, if you want to eat a cake a day have fun on 8 hour walks everyday.. but some people can do nothing and be thin, don't be jealous just understand god hates us all in different ways or satan loves us in different ways, or the space gods ignore us in different ways.
    I think a lot of the "you have to do it with diet, not exercise" people are wrong. It's absolutely true that you can lose more on a diet than if you just try to exercise a lot over the short term, but I think exercise is just the far more sustainable path over the long term. If you can increase your maintenance calories by like 300 a day by exercising, that's going to build up to something real over the long term.

    For whatever reason, my body is conditioned to tell me to eat more than I need. That's been true since I was basically a toddler, some of my earliest memories are of my dad trying to control my eating habits already. Dieting for someone like me is extremely hard. It's very difficult to end every day feeling extremely hungry. However, exercising more but eating the same isn't bad. Exercising is tiring, but it feels much easier to sustain a long term exercise regimen than a long term "starve myself" regimen. Also, exercising reduces stress and improves sleep habits, both things that decrease my desire to binge eat. My dad and my brother are the same, both people with tremendous appetites who exercise it away.

    The people who are in the whole "it's just about eating less" camp are just not right.

  13. #113
    So surprised not to have seen this, maybe I missed it.

    You need a goal. Clearly you don't want to be where you're at, but that isn't a goal.

    Do you have a desired body type? I heard alot about what you don't want (on both fit and unfit sides), but not much if anything about what you do want.

    Not saying there's dismorphia, but it's important to seek what you want, not what you don't, especially to make sure YOU know what you want.

    I started getting much better results when I made it about the goals and physique I wanted.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayia View Post
    In my experience its different for different people, a Exercise based way might work for some but not others, a diet alone could be enough for another group, combining the two covers a lot more people in a broad range too adjusting values, most of the time its a pretty simple formula.

    Find out how much your body wants to exercise in order to burn off your eating habits adjust your eating around how much you want to be outside walking for, if you want to eat a cake a day have fun on 8 hour walks everyday.. but some people can do nothing and be thin, don't be jealous just understand god hates us all in different ways or satan loves us in different ways, or the space gods ignore us in different ways.
    imo exercise is for recomp, its actual influence on weightloss is minimal and should be used supplementary.

    you will never lose weight by excercise a lone unless you're already eating a certain way.

    which is why most of the diets pushed never work, you cant out exercise a diet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    I think a lot of the "you have to do it with diet, not exercise" people are wrong. It's absolutely true that you can lose more on a diet than if you just try to exercise a lot over the short term, but I think exercise is just the far more sustainable path over the long term. If you can increase your maintenance calories by like 300 a day by exercising, that's going to build up to something real over the long term..
    no, no it wont, eventually your metabolism will lower to compensate for the increase in expenditure.

    this is why people who work out do so exponentially, they bulk and cut and continuously do more or take periods of rest.

    this is also why say someone who has always been 200 pounds and someone who was 400 pounds and is now 200 will have wildly different metabolisms (the one who used to weigh more will typically have a much lower tdee)

    the human body doesnt LIKE losing weight, it will do everything in its power not to in order to compensate because its antithesis to survival. its only in our modern world with an overabundance of food that being fat is even really a possibility

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    your metabolism compensates whenever you're below your tdee.

    the only way to prevent this is through fasting, when in a fasted ketosis state your body isnt deprived of calories its getting its fill as long as you have enough fat to fuel yourself.

    otherwise any sort of diet will require you to stay on that diet forever or else you're gonna gain the weight back, and not only that but your metabolism will be fucked so you will gain it back faster then you did before
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  15. #115
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    As someone who has lost just over 4 stone (61 lbs) since late january this year, I can say that its basically a mindset. Do you want to lose enough weight to be visibly slimmer? Then eat healthy food! I was 17st and 12 lbs on january 20th, I would just eat whatever and never care for checking how much fat or calories were in the food I ate, I *knew* they weren't healthy but I ate them because they tasted good and I craved it after a hard days work....something to "look forward to", but this was happening every night. So after weighing myself and being basically disgusted with the number I saw I decided enough was enough and just ate lots of fruit instead of snacks, vegetables and potatoes instead of chips.

    Obviously its hard to walk past the sweet isle and not just say "ah fuck it", I did that many times but as soon as I saw how much I lost in the first 2 weeks THAT was the motivation to not buy them and keep going. Now, I have literally no cravings and my appetite has reduced drastically. I feel amazing now, and the feeling of being slimmer far outweighs the cravings for sugary snacks! Oh, and this is all with literally zero exercise, I wanted to see if you could lose weight, and enough of it reasonably quickly, without going to the gym, or jogging every night. In the first 11 days I lost 15 lbs, just over a stone then the next 2 weeks nearly 11 lbs. Losing weight becomes almost addictive, and when you get it down you can start "adding" things back, like fridays was my sarnie shop day but I stopped going there until I was at a "happy" weight, now I continue to get my greasy bacon, egg and mushroom sarnie with a toasted teacake and I'm still losing weight. I still drink on weekends, although I swapped out the sugary cider for white rum so its not all boring!

    So tl;dr: You have to think about how you will look when you are slimmer and focus on that, and weigh yourself every 2 weeks so that it gives you something to "look forward" to. It will be hard at first but just keep going, you will eventually feel great and not even think about chocolate or crisps!

  16. #116
    Just keep moving. It’s all about putting in the work consistently. Chipping away a little bit at a time and never giving up. You don’t have to go hard and insane at first. Start small. “Wake up” the body and lightly move. Flow and energize from light movement. Eventually the body will want more intensity and you’ll be able to seamlessly transition into the next phase. Above all else take your time.

    With nutrition learn to drink water and enjoy it’s wholesome nourishment. Fruits and vegetables are great for energy and wholesome to the gut. Consuming red meat in consistent amounts (not over filling) is also nourishing to the brain and the muscles. Eat well and eat to fuel. Just enough to keep the energy consistent and not over doing it.

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  17. #117
    when i was really losing weight quickly i was eating about once a month or every other month but you dont have to be anywhere thaty hardcore

    rolling 72's or 48's or even omad will get you results

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    feast and famine is how the natural world works, our ancestors never had access to 6 meals a day or any other bullshit diet peddlers will sell you, the tyruth is those companies dont want you to actually lose weight, they want you to consume their bullshit.

    fasting would be a lot more mainstream if people could make money off it but telling people dont fucking eat drink water doesnt sell lil tv dinners and fad snacks or books
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  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I don’t want to lift, because I don’t want muscle mass. And I think training endurance still builds muscle? Also, cardio is too much work for just losing half a meal’s worth of calories.

    I used to weigh 95 lbs. Now I’m almost double that. I used to drink tea when I had cravings, but now there’s popcorn, chips and ice cream around. Should I just not eat as much? Is that really all?
    Eat less. Calories in < calories out = weight loss. There's nothing else to it.

  19. #119
    OP if you don't want to work out and just do it by dieting, I would suggest trying keto if you can handle the diet. Had a friend lose 35 lbs. in a relatively short amount of time on it and I have lost 16 lbs in 3 weeks so far on it. Most I do for a "workout" is walk 30 minutes a day. You'll naturally eat less on it and more importantly, it makes you conscious of what you're eating because you have to research stuff before chowing down.

  20. #120
    Stop Eating, you will lose tons of weight.

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