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  1. #21
    Urg... they changed "fodder to the flame" necrolord covenant ability again , and it's the least interessting iteration yet . Probably better number wise but..." stand there for minus 10% damage taken" is ...very meh . Hoping they revert it or change it to something better gameplay wise .

  2. #22
    Eh there are worse ones. Don't forget it synergises with the necrolord absorb shield ability numbers-wise it's looking very strong for survival.

  3. #23
    Yeah , there is worse covenant abilities , but this current "fodder to the flame" is the worst of the 3 proposed this far .

    The first iteration reduced the cd of meta by 1 minute once you've consumed the soul , while also having the synergy with fleshcraft

    The second ( my personal favorite so far out the 3)transformed you into meta for 15 sec(havoc) or 10 sec (veng)after consuming the soul and having the synergy with fleshcraft

    This third is really uninteressting in comparison imo , just drop a pool that boost your attack speed(worthless) and reduce your damage taken( good number wise but lame gameplay wise) and have the synergy with fleshcraft

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    VDH is currently up there with the 2 Prot specs for being the most fun tanking specs in the game right now. BDK, Guardian and Brewmaster are all good specs but woefully boring to play. With Fel Devastation being made baseline giving VDH it's own eye beam the spec is only going to get more fun to play IMO. I don't see Blood getting that interesting, it really hasn't been an interesting spec since what like late MoP? Even when viable it's a snoozer.
    losing gluttony/td/vision of perfection seems like a horrible tradeoff for what its gaining. pretty much everything that lets veng compete with current tanks is going away in shadowlands. unless damage is ramped up somewhere , losing td is going to be brutal (no matter how rng its damage is)

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    losing gluttony/td/vision of perfection seems like a horrible tradeoff for what its gaining. pretty much everything that lets veng compete with current tanks is going away in shadowlands. unless damage is ramped up somewhere , losing td is going to be brutal (no matter how rng its damage is)
    Every other tank loses TD too and Veng is right now forced into VoP/Gluttony for survival when in fact without taking into account TD both are fucking MASSIVE dps losses. It seems you're more interested in keeping band aids then having actual solutions. TD is an unintentional band aids that makes a shitty build with no dps otherwise work.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Every other tank loses TD too and Veng is right now forced into VoP/Gluttony for survival when in fact without taking into account TD both are fucking MASSIVE dps losses. It seems you're more interested in keeping band aids then having actual solutions. TD is an unintentional band aids that makes a shitty build with no dps otherwise work.
    so, vengeance doesnt have a threat issue? because, yeah - they do. so does blood and guardian. losing td will certainly hurt them more than other tanks.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    so, vengeance doesnt have a threat issue? because, yeah - they do. so does blood and guardian. losing td will certainly hurt them more than other tanks.
    You are clearly not in the SL beta if you think threat is an issue. VDH damage is not a problem right now in SL alpha, survival is up for debate when more content actually comes out but DPS? You're worried about DPS and threat? When spirit bomb is damn near 1 shotting quest mobs you're worried about that? If anything VDH dps might need tuned down from where it currently is in SL cause I haven't really dived into every tank spec yet but VDH is by far ahead of the ones I have.

    And here you are worried about a damn RNG proc that may or may not proc and hold you aggro on a pull to pull basis? Kind of weird.

  8. #28
    Really fantastic. it seems it's worth dealign with it

  9. #29
    VDH will have the exact same problems it did in 8.0 unless they do more. Fel dev is a nice start but no way near enough.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by jaksan View Post
    VDH will have the exact same problems it did in 8.0 unless they do more. Fel dev is a nice start but no way near enough.
    The problems from 8.0 no longer exist, and haven't existed for a few patches now. So not sure how you think they're going to magically come back when the only things VDH loses are things every tank spec loses and all of the actual changes to the spec grant more control over power instead of relying on it to be random.

    Fel Dev combined with options like Demonic and Bulwark now give you a very strong CD on a 1 min CD, to go with Fiery Brand already being a strong ST 1 min CD on top of Meta overall being one of the strongest tank CDs in the game and you're comparing it to 8.0 VDH that just had a shitty pre buff meta that was terrible and brand that only helps on 1 target? There is no comparison at all, it's laughable to even try and relate the 2.
    Last edited by Tech614; 2020-08-04 at 01:58 AM.

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