Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[D Luniz]

Obama's speech in FL was incredible. I miss that man.


Also, I noticed that Trump had that whole event with him voting. Didn't he already mail-in his vote?
Just another photo op for his idiot base?

he did for the primaries and the 2018 general, his campaign had enough sense to remind him how shitty it would look if he mailed in now after ranting about all his mythical fraud

[Kaleredar]

I seem to remember a postmortem of 2016 revealing that the average Trump voter wasn't facing any economic anxiety, just made up anxiety. IIRC, they had like a 55k average salary (not even average household salary, I think).

Well remember, Republicans run on fear... fear they have to manufacture.

Just go look in the thread about New Zealand; there's a guy there (likely not American, but the sentiment still holds) complaining that New Zealand is always better off than the United States, a country possessed of far, far, FAR more capital and spending power, because the United States "has to border Mexico and illegal immigrants make it impossible."

You have Republicans convincing people that illegal immigrants, a tiny sliver of the US population possessed of almost no political or economic power and concentrated in a handful of states, are somehow one of the most pressing issues facing the nation and responsible for all kinds of evils. You have someone living in rural Ohio, 1,600 miles from the Mexican border, afraid of Mexican immigrants coming to their town to rape and peddle drugs.

That seems to have fallen somewhat by the wayside, so they've since moved on to other various vague boogeymen like "Antifa" and "the radical left" as coming to ruin all your good times with vague yet sinister sounding socialist nonsense.

These are what convince perfectly economically sound people to be quite unreasonably afraid. Combine that with people who are facing economic anxiety because their industry has been antiquated and outdated and simply is not viable willing to believe any lie a con artist will sell them, along with the plain-ol nepotistic super rich and evangelical Christians that believe the GOP is the unquestionable, ordained Party of God, and you have the remnants of the force that keeps the shambling corpse of the republican party marching.

[xmirrors]

he did for the primaries and the 2018 general, his campaign had enough sense to remind him how shitty it would look if he mailed in now after ranting about all his mythical fraud

Ah that's probably it, I just remember a lot of talk about him mailing his vote in. Was probably a reference to that.

Also, God, has it really been so long since 2018? What is happening with all of my time?

[Kaleredar]

Ah that's probably it, I just remember a lot of talk about him mailing his vote in. Was probably a reference to that.

We should just thank our lucky stars no one got pepper sprayed during this Trump photo-op.

[D Luniz]

Well remember, Republicans run on fear... fear they have to manufacture.

Just go look in the thread about New Zealand; there's a guy there (likely not American, but the sentiment still holds) complaining that New Zealand is always better off than the United States, a country possessed of far, far, FAR more capital and spending power, because the United States "has to border Mexico and illegal immigrants make it impossible."

You have Republicans convincing people that illegal immigrants, a tiny sliver of the US population possessed of almost no political or economic power and concentrated in a handful of states, are somehow one of the most pressing issues facing the nation and responsible for all kinds of evils. You have someone living in rural Ohio, 1,600 miles from the Mexican border, afraid of Mexican immigrants coming to their town to rape and peddle drugs.

That seems to have fallen somewhat by the wayside, so they've since moved on to other various vague boogeymen like "Antifa" and "the radical left" as coming to ruin all your good times with vague yet sinister sounding socialist nonsense.

These are what convince perfectly economically sound people to be quite unreasonably afraid. Combine that with people who are facing economic anxiety because their industry has been antiquated and outdated and simply is not viable willing to believe any lie a con artist will sell them, along with the plain-ol nepotistic super rich and evangelical Christians that believe the GOP is the unquestionable, ordained Party of God, and you have the remnants of the force that keeps the shambling corpse of the republican party marching.

Well they also don't want a repeat of what happened to Georgia's ag industry when they chased out all the illegal migrants since most of the jobs they get are "essential work", quick way to finish choking off any recovery is to remove them from the laborforce.

[cordrann]

Absolute nonsense.

Trump's election was the result of a broad presence of white supremacism and proto-fascism within American society, which should really surprise no one, since that undercurrent has been breaching the surface regularly for pretty much all of American's 250 years of history. There's a reason Hitler cited American Jim Crow laws and such, explicitly, in Mein Kampf, as examples he was building his own ideology up from.

Any nobody's responsible for Americans being racist proto-fascists, except those racist proto-fascists. They're the ones at fault for their own views. Nobody's got any gun to their heads, forcing them to think a certain way; it's a choice. One they are often unreasonably proud to be be making. Hence, y'know, the whole "white pride" nonsense.

You're just deflecting from those real causes to try and put the blame on everyone who stands against such views, for not leaning close enough to the white supremacist fascism to comfort those voters. That kind of lean would not be a plus, for anyone else.

This is an utterly absurd analysis. Racism is not even in the top ten of the drivers of the tribalism in this country. For every one person who voted Trump because they are racist filth there are one hundred who voted for him because they are single issue voters or they are morons and thought he was actually going to bring manufacturing back and fix the issues with the ACA. Don't explain with malice what is so obviously incompetence. Trump voters were not a monolith in 2016.

[DingDongKing]

This is an utterly absurd analysis. Racism is not even in the top ten of the drivers of the tribalism in this country. For every one person who voted Trump because they are racist filth there are one hundred who voted for him because they are single issue voters or they are morons and thought he was actually going to bring manufacturing back and fix the issues with the ACA. Don't explain with malice what is so obviously incompetence. Trump voters were not a monolith in 2016.

People who vote for a racist and fascist President are enabling said behaviour. They don't need to be screaming the n-word to be complicit. And therein lies the issue with the two party system. They think it's either or, and live in this bubble where the Democratic party is some evil armada.

[Kaleredar]

Well they also don't want a repeat of what happened to Georgia's ag industry when they chased out all the illegal migrants since most of the jobs they get are "essential work", quick way to finish choking off any recovery is to remove them from the laborforce.

That's why they don't ever actually do anything about illegal immigration in any actually impactful way.

Trump's wall was never going to stop illegal immigrants, it was merely a crystallization of every anti-immigrant and xenophobic right-wing voter's sort of "mental image" of the "bold stand that needed to be taken against the foreign hordes" that he was able to capitalize on. I remember that, even when you would boil it down with these people that the wall would not work, they'd always have one final retort of "well it still sends the right message." They were perfectly fine with a potential multi-billion dollar blank check for "the right message" without actually doing anything.

Come to think of it, there's almost sort of a... grim beauty... in its simplicity. A vague promise with such a striking visual image with such an impactful imagined result... it's almost so elegant that I doubt Trump could think of it.

[Endus]

This is an utterly absurd analysis. Racism is not even in the top ten of the drivers of the tribalism in this country. For every one person who voted Trump because they are racist filth there are one hundred who voted for him because they are single issue voters or they are morons and thought he was actually going to bring manufacturing back and fix the issues with the ACA. Don't explain with malice what is so obviously incompetence. Trump voters were not a monolith in 2016.

If you're a "single issue voter" who's okay voting for a racist who consistently puts out new dogwhistles to racist followers, it's because you're racist yourself. To anyone else, racism like that is a disqualifying factor.

And frankly, that his support hasn't significantly declined in the years since makes it really hard to take these protestations honestly. Trump hasn't delivered on those "single issues", so I really don't have any reason to take their stated position as if it's an honest and serious explanation. The ACA isn't better, and manufacturing hasn't been supported. If you're still supporting Trump despite that, it's not because of those "single issues". It's something else. That you won't be honest about.

Also, let's recall I wasn't calling all of his supporters "racist". Some of them are just fascists, voting for a fascist. There doesn't have to be racism behind it; fascism relies on scapegoating but it isn't always about race. "The libs" or "socialists" or "lefties" or "demoncrats" or "SJWs", take your pick. It's all the same scapegoating nonsense.

[Pipebomb]

Oh jesus, I just saw the Hunter Biden sex tape...
[Infraction]

[nonameelf]

Oh jesus, I just saw the Hunter Biden sex tape...

Are we sure that Republicans don't just want to have sex with Hunter Biden? They are so obsessed with him.

[Doctor Amadeus]

with over a week to go come on folks get your booty to the poll and vote like somebodies life depends on it because it does.

Wish I could vote this post of the year LOL!

[Ivanstone]

This is an utterly absurd analysis. Racism is not even in the top ten of the drivers of the tribalism in this country. For every one person who voted Trump because they are racist filth there are one hundred who voted for him because they are single issue voters or they are morons and thought he was actually going to bring manufacturing back and fix the issues with the ACA. Don't explain with malice what is so obviously incompetence. Trump voters were not a monolith in 2016.

You're right. They're not a monolith. There are misogynists. Homophobes. Islamophobes. Anti-Semites.

[Thepersona]

Are we sure that Republicans don't just want to have sex with Hunter Biden? They are so obsessed with him.

Well, many republicans and conservative males are closeted gays (like lady G)
Or they have very weird kinks.

[DingDongKing]

Why would anyone watch a sex tape of some random person anyway? Just watch normal porn...

[Paranoid Android]

I sued to force the Miami-Dade Elections Supervisor to turn over evidence @MayorGimenez directly involved himself in turning down the @MiamiHeat's offer of using the American Airlines Arena for voting AFTER career professionals had already approved them. https://t.co/68vFXDgIV0

https://twitter.com/grantstern/statu...880084998?s=19

Republican mayor btw.

See they do not want in-person voting either.

[Thepersona]

Question:

Does anyone has the excel that nate silver posted about district polling? Comparing it to 2016
I cannot find it.

[Monster Hunter]

Sorry but again for the 100th time nothing discussed here is going to swing an election. I take what people concentrate on a reflection of the larger issue. Namely self-described liberals defending Iraq war vote, DOMA, mass incarceration (new Jim Crowe), NSA unconstitutional spying, and a whole mess of other red flags. i am voting for some who did all those things because blah blah blah lesser evil, but at some point the lesser evil is just plan evil. You need look no further how both sides attack the candidate nepotism they dislike , but explain away their preferred candidate nepotism.

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Trump is a a result of decades of Biden like policy. I fear the next competent Trump who doesn't say the bad parts out loud like he isn't supposed too. Trump is an idiot but he isn't any near Mussolini you al like to paint him as. Trump is just a narcissist a-hole who never leaned not to say dumb things because he has always surrounded himself by those who only praise him. Biden is a narcissist who has spent his whole career giving the rich exactly what they ask in the hopes of being POTUS. 4th times a charm.

Mussolini and Hitler and whilst we're at it franco were far far smarter then trump.

Evil to a tee, but way smarter.

Abd thats the scary thing for me as a non american and why i hope america end as a world super power, if trump was enough to get power in the USA is don't want to see a day were a Mussolini type runs in the usa, for my own personal safty and the safety of the UK it is imperative we divorce our selves from the USA fully and for good.

Sorry but the USA is fucking dangerously stupid, and we need to fully realise that and plan acordingly.

I think some USA posters forget, i dont give a fuck about the USA, i couldnt give a flying monkies of the USA vote in the next hittler, what I care about is the UK and the EU dispite brexit i will always be as i was born an EU citizen at heart, so from my perspective its whats good and right for the people of Europe, and america, america is a fucking toxlc freind that needs cutting from the group, fuck there money and fuck there strength trump has shown exactly why the usa needs to be treated the same as china and russia...

[Draco-Onis]

Mussolini and Hitler and whilst we're at it franco were far far smarter then trump.

Evil to a tee, but way smarter.

Abd thats the scary thing for me as a non american and why i hope america end as a world super power, if trump was enough to get power in the USA is don't want to see a day were a Mussolini type runs in the usa, for my own personal safty and the safety of the UK it is imperative we divorce our selves from the USA fully and for good.

Sorry but the USA is fucking dangerously stupid, and we need to fully realise that and plan acordingly.

But it's not just the USA even in the EU nationalism has run wild strong men are popping up all over the world. The US got lucky with Trump because anyone with more brains would be dictator by now our guard rails are weak and I agree the fact that 47% of the US still supports Trump makes you lose faith in humanity.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Will we know the winner on November 3rd or early in the a.m on the fourth?
Also, does Trump have an advantage with most of the mideast and southwest being red and being that absentee and early voting needing to be counted first -- make trump win over the states with a higher population and voter suppression such as Florida??