Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Daelak]

All this talk about 'we need to pack the courts here' and 'we need to rewrite this there' are reactionary fantasies.

Any changes to SCOTUS can and will be used against the Democrats.

1. Biden was placed on the ballot because he is an easy choice that does not require much effort. Not one that will in much change that requires much political involvement from the citizen. That way people can sit at home and feel good about themselves. Reverting to 2015 is not change.

2. Many people want 'change' don't understand what it takes to get their or what they actual want/are asking for. They just want a partisan victory.

If the Democrats were actual a party capable of getting to the ballots to punish politicians stepping out of bounds, it would have happened in 2016 after McConnell upheld a head. The same cards were on the table back then and the future of SCOTUS was clear as day. And yet the GOP coasted into controlling all 3 branches. It took 2018 for any sort of movement and even then it was rather light. The party as a whole is lazy, shortsighted, and and reactionary. Which leads into my next point.

3. You cannot suddenly make grand changes to a major institution with a narrow majority. Imagine for a second if the GOP expanded SCOTUS in 2016 when they were fully capable of doing so. How do you think the country would have reacted? Legally they could have done in easily. Practically? Everything would turned as blue as the sky in a heartbeat, and that's the bare minimum. The President that signed off it is getting impeached. Democrats would see an equal and opposite effect. Its not happening.

The short term gains aren't worth the long term problems. All that's achieved is a weak SCOTUS and a massive power gain shift to the President. What happens if if another Trump gains office, worse, a competent Trump and a number of seats go vacant? 3 seats now is OP. 5 seats out of 11...welcome to the Supreme Court of that President instead of Supreme Court of the United States. Even after said President is gone their administration virtual exists in a completely different branch of government. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

I disagree. I think democrats should use their full control to diminish the structural advantage republicans have in the senate via Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho. That's their only card left defending them as a national party that isn't accountable to the actions of a majority of the US.

They can't campaign on majority consent nor policy popularity, they have to abuse constitutional procedure and 'statehood', a 18th cenutry concept in and of itself, to delude millions of people that the way they govern is the same as democrats or any other major political party in any developed country on Earth.

Democrats need to induct 3 more states into the union and 4 additional associate justices to cancel out the structural advantage republicans built in the 19th century to ensure our democracy is just barely scraping by.

[eschatological]

To be fair, this is how your constitution works. The problem isn't necessarily the GOP doing what they're allowed to do. The problem is that they are allowed to do it. Change the political system, otherwise it'll always come 'round in a circle to bit your ass. You need to break the wheel.

What they did to Garland was not "how [our] Constitution works." They literally ignored the Constitution.

If they had given up on one of these seats, literally would no one would be talking about packing the courts now. And the court would be split 4-4, with a more-conservative-than-not Roberts as the swing vote.

[Lenonis]

So instead he mixed him up with the interviewer. That's much better.

Imagine thinking something like this matters. Imagine thinking this is a legitimate gotcha.

It's amazing how out of touch Trump supporters have become -- they are so insulated they completely fail to see what people really care about. And it's going to be a rude awakening next week....assuming they ever admit the election is legitimate that is.

[eschatological]

Also a good alternative if you live in NYC and don't want to vote for the Democratic Party (and give them the middle finger), but still want Trump lose the elections and shift the votes in favor of Biden, you can vote for the Working Families Party instead:

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Voting for them shows that you support a more progressive movement and not the more conservative Democratic Party / DNC.

This is true all through NY. I had them listed as the nominees for the Working Families Party. It matters very little.

[Bodakane]

So instead he mixed him up with the interviewer. That's much better.

Where the fuck are you when Trump gaffes in his interviews and speeches?

Don;t ignore this like a coward, answer it.

[Edge-]

So instead he mixed him up with the interviewer. That's much better.

Remember that time Trump made up an interview that Lesly Stahl did with Biden and accused her of not asking him tough questions? When she was sitting directly across from him?

What's up with that? Is Trump senile? Is he stupid? C'mon, man!

[Breccia]

Remember that time Trump made up an interview that Lesly Stahl did with Biden and accused her of not asking him tough questions? When she was sitting directly across from him?

Remember when Trump said windmills cause cancer?

[CastletonSnob]

What will you do if Trump wins?

Who do you think will ultimately win the election?

[Felya]

So instead he mixed him up with the interviewer. That's much better.

He was addressing the interviewer...

[Lenonis]

What will you do if Trump wins?

Wonder what went wrong with America and then move on with my life.

Who do you think will ultimately win the election?

Biden. All data points to a Biden win. It's always possible for Trump to still win but at this point he's definitely the less favored.

What's probably a more important question is who will control the Senate. If the Dems can grab the Senate which is going to be tough then there is an actual chance to rewrite the trajectory of the federal government. However if the GOP maintains control there will be little last things the Dems can do...although having a rational calm leader through a pandemic will do incredible things for all of us.

[Machismo]

So instead he mixed him up with the interviewer. That's much better.

It's not like he employs white supremacists like Trump does.

Tell us, why do you support a guy who keeps white supremacists as his senior staff?

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-mi...eitbart-emails

If you don't respond, I'll deem that as your admission you also support white supremacy.

[Somewhatconcerned]

It's not like he employs white supremacists like Trump does.

Tell us, why do you support a guy who keeps white supremacists as his senior staff?

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-mi...eitbart-emails

If you don't respond, I'll deem that as your admission you also support white supremacy.

If it makes you feel any better, I decided awhile back not to vote this year (doesn't matter, don't live in a swing state anyway).

[Machismo]

Could you show a post where I support Trump, you seem to have the time on your hands. Feel free to post where I support Trump. Like the denizens who repeatedly make mistakes about supporting Trump in this shithole, I am voting against Biden, not for Trump. If you guys can claim it all day, every day because none of you like Biden.....why can't you guys simply accept that someone will vote against Biden. Is it that hard to fathom that someone is voting exactly as you are, just not on the same side? Just relax, unclench your tightened up sphincter and realize that people can dislike Biden as much as you dislike Trump. Well, that's not true, you guys really really hate Trump, I can't work up that much passion against someone(the President in general) who does not affect my life on a daily basis. Trump really doesn't do anything near as much as McConnel does, but you hate Trump more. It's strange.

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There is one poster here who really really posts every day how much he is sure Texas is going to go blue. He gives updated daily tallys for some reason, just to keep hope alive?

I'm going to go ahead and make this as easy as possible. Here's a poll where you state you are voting for Trump.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/poll.ph...do=showresults

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ampaign-Thread

There, now there's no way you will ever be able to try and bullshit your way out of it.

[Felya]

What will you do if Trump wins?

Same think I try to do every day... take over the WORLD!!! Actually, pass this year... get covid under control... but, then... Take over the WORLD!!!

Who do you think will ultimately win the election?

Ultimately? Trump, hands down... win or lose, he is building a media empire on his election. He will make billions...

[Edge-]

If it makes you feel any better, I decided awhile back not to vote this year (doesn't matter, don't live in a swing state anyway).

You should vote, even if you're not in a swing state. There are tons of other elections that matter - local, state, federal, ballot measures etc. that you should be voicing your opinion on. You don't need to vote for a presidential candidate if you really can't bring yourself to back Trump but also think that the past 4 years were alright enough that you can't back Biden either.

[Machismo]

If it makes you feel any better, I decided awhile back not to vote this year (doesn't matter, don't live in a swing state anyway).

Nah, that's because I know you are lying, and you were already caught lying... multiple times.

You started out pretending to totes be a liberal, then feigned concern about Biden and the Democrats, before completely jumping the shark in roughly March 2019, and going full Trumpster.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/poll.ph...do=showresults

Feel free to keep lying, and I'll be glad to keep posting the receipts.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Nah, that's because I know you are lying, and you were already caught lying... multiple times.

You started out pretending to totes be a liberal, then feigned concern about Biden and the Democrats, before completely jumping the shark in roughly March 2019, and going full Trumpster.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/poll.ph...do=showresults

Feel free to keep lying, and I'll be glad to keep posting the receipts.

You're right. People never change their minds. Sheesh.

[Machismo]

You're right. People never change their minds. Sheesh.

I am right about you, you got caught a very long time ago.

We've also had this conversation before, where I dropped dozens of your quotes to show it.

[kaelleria]

Remember when Trump said windmills cause cancer?

You mean last week during a debate viewed by 60m+ people?

[PACOX]

I disagree. I think democrats should use their full control to diminish the structural advantage republicans have in the senate via Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho. That's their only card left defending them as a national party that isn't accountable to the actions of a majority of the US.

They can't campaign on majority consent nor policy popularity, they have to abuse constitutional procedure and 'statehood', a 18th cenutry concept in and of itself, to delude millions of people that the way they govern is the same as democrats or any other major political party in any developed country on Earth.

Democrats need to induct 3 more states into the union and 4 additional associate justices to cancel out the structural advantage republicans built in the 19th century to ensure our democracy is just barely scraping by.

That's cool and all if people actually want to go that route.
What's the end goal? Because it really sounds like just fundamentally changing the government for a partisan victory like some team sport instead of actually managing a country. Theres more to it than just which party can win more elections. Those parties may not even exist in 10 years meanwhile the hot topic is to rectify institutions for their gain?

The last thing this country needs to do is expand the EC or add useless seats to the Houses. DC and Puerto Rico deserve statehood because they deserve representation, not because they can make it easier for Democrats or Republicans to control the government.

I'm all for allying with Dems (NPA) to get good legislation passed or to keep bad legislation out but miss me with changing the country so the DNC become a monolith.