Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Kaleredar]

Unsurprisingly, Trump is supposedly planning on declaring victory on Tuesday "if he appears ahead", even if the vote count isn't done in numerous states according to Jonathan Swan at Axios.

Again, none of this is a surprise; he's been signaling his intent on doing this for a while now. If the press is smart and Trump goes through with this they will ignore him and not cover his premature celebration.

Also worth noting that Trump declaring himself victorious also means absolutely nothing as per him actually being the victor.

But I'm hoping that it wont come to that. Hopefully he's behind on election night and then that margin of him being behind only increases as early voting and mail-in ballots are tabulated.

[Zaydin]

Also worth noting that Trump declaring himself victorious also means absolutely nothing as per him actually being the victor.

But I'm hoping that it wont come to that. Hopefully he's behind both on election night, and then that margin of behind only increases as early voting and mail-in ballots are tabulated.

We here all know Trump declaring victory means nothing. But his cult either doesn't know or doesn't care and will use it as proof to declare Trump the victor and start rioting as the vote count slips away from Trump as early votes get counted.

[Kaleredar]

We here all know Trump declaring victory means nothing. But his cult either doesn't know or doesn't care and will use it as proof to declare Trump the victor and start rioting as the vote count slips away from Trump as early votes get counted.

If Biden wins they'll use any excuse to riot. Even if Trump is behind from the getgo, they'll claim that it was a result of all of the illegals voting or all of the fake mail-in ballots being frauds or whatever they want to try and distract from the fact that the majority of American people didn't want Trump to be president anymore.

As I also noted, however, I'm confident that various American institutions that punish domestic terrorists will be able to act in a preventative way and, if a few right-wing nutjobs are unfortunately able to act out and cause violence, summarily capture and punish them.

[passingthrew]

I have full confidence in the FBI, national guard and other official bodies of US enforcement to shut down domestic terrorists as they may appear.

Kind of like how the cops handled things in Texas, or here in Omaha when a bunch of Trump supporters were simply blowing red lights in a stupid trump caravan here a few weeks ago. Or the sheriff in Michigan. I hope you are right, I dont think you are.

[Kaleredar]

Kind of like how the cops handled things in Texas, or here in Omaha when a bunch of Trump supporters were simply blowing red lights in a stupid trump caravan here a few weeks ago. Or the sheriff in Michigan. I hope you are right, I dont think you are.

That's why I specified the FBI and national guard. They're already investigating the little right-wing terrorism spat in Texas. And while some shitkicker rural cop might have a personal love for Donald Trump, the FBI have zero affection for him.

Hopefully, if there are any y'allqaeda cesspools online that are plotting forms of organized violence, the FBI has tabs on them. Like how they were able to intercede in the kidnapping plots against the governors.

[beanman12345]

If Biden wins they'll use any excuse to riot. Even if Trump is behind from the getgo, they'll claim that it was a result of all of the illegals voting or all of the fake mail-in ballots being frauds or whatever they want to try and distract from the fact that the majority of American people didn't want Trump to be president anymore.

As I also noted, however, I'm confident that various American institutions that punish domestic terrorists will be able to act in a preventative way and, if a few right-wing nutjobs are unfortunately able to act out and cause violence, summarily capture and punish them.

I agree in a sense. I think any organized shit will not go down, and if some do it'll be squashed quickly. The things that concern me are the lone gunmen type el paso shooter type people they aren't honed in on. But then again, that type of shit has become the norm "thoughts and prayers" bs.

[CastletonSnob]

Trump plans to claim victory early.

https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-el...source=twitter

[Kaleredar]

I agree in a sense. I think any organized shit will not go down, and if some do it'll be squashed quickly. The things that concern me are the lone gunmen type el paso shooter type people they aren't honed in on. But then again, that type of shit has become the norm "thoughts and prayers" bs.

Unfortunately, as I'm sure the right-wing people in the gun thread would tell you with an apathetic air, firearm violence is "part and parcel" of living in the United States.

I'm sure that, even if Trump wins, they'll ALSO be spurned on to incite violence as well. With a Biden victory it will be a "revolt against an invalid president" whereas with a Trump victory it'll be a "finally securing the nation against the liberals."

Frankly the second form worries me a lot more, chief among the fact that Trump will tacitly endorse the people doing it.

[Xyonai]

A caravan of Trump Supporters block a New Jersey Highway and I'm sure the police will be there any minute to forcibly disperse them them for disrupting the roads and Republicans will clamber out of the woodwork to condemn them for getting in the way of precious traffic like they did about the North Carolina Voters March that police cracked down on.

Aaaaany miiiinute noooow....

(Also not-sorry about linking Breaking911's twitter, figured a right-leaning source would let the hypocrisy sink in just a little more)

[Jastall]

Trump plans to claim victory early.

https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-el...source=twitter

Of course he does. If he says "I won" as early as possible, then it's easy to make the cultists swallow that the election was "stolen" if he starts losing afterwards.

[Breccia]

Trump plans to claim victory early.

My "favorite" part of the article is where Team Trump's defense is "Trump declaring victory means he wins".

Trump is not king, he's not emperor, he's not God. Just because Trump says something doesn't make it true. It's often the opposite.

[beanman12345]

for context back in march he declared victory against coronavirus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9423121.html

Now he's waving the white flag.

Rinse repeat, it's the same crap every time.

[Kaleredar]

A caravan of Trump Supporters block a New Jersey Highway and I'm sure the police will be there any minute to forcibly disperse them them for disrupting the roads and Republicans will clamber out of the woodwork to condemn them for getting in the way of precious traffic like they did about the North Carolina Voters March that police cracked down on.

Aaaaany miiiinute noooow....

(Also not-sorry about linking Breaking911's twitter, figured a right-leaning source would let the hypocrisy sink in just a little more)

I'm not too sure that New Jersey will be as complicit with petulant Trump supporters as Texas or North Carolina.

[Hinastorm]

Do you guys really think we'll see mass protests by Trump supporters if he loses?

I just don't see it. The crazy militia fucks will probably pull some shit though.

If Trump nakedly steals this though, you better fucking believe 10's of millions of people will be out in the streets, indefinitely.

Relevant to this, I often have problems understanding why Biden is scary enough to the right to justify, in their minds, protesting election results. Whereas, for the left, we have PLENTY to fear from another 4 years of Trump.

[Breccia]

Do you guys really think we'll see mass protests by Trump supporters if he loses?

You did see they ran a bus off the road and blocked a freeway? We're seeing them now.

[Hinastorm]

You did see they ran a bus off the road and blocked a freeway? We're seeing them now.

That's not a mass protest. Not even close.

[Xyonai]

Do you guys really think we'll see mass protests by Trump supporters if he loses?

I just don't see it. The crazy militia fucks will probably pull some shit though.

If Trump nakedly steals this though, you better fucking believe 10's of millions of people will be out in the streets, indefinitely.

Honestly I've been thinking about this a fair bit and I think it's a mixed bag of an answer.

We saw the membership of militias and right wing orgs skyrocket under Obama (Because a Black Man had the audacity to become president or something) but Right Wing violence didn't increase to compensate (I could be wrong, correct me if I am).

But Trump's drummed up a base of lunatics and it'll depend on how he and his stooges try and spin the narrative when they're on the way out. I see isolated incidents in the future more than I see mass civil unrest, and from there an uptick in Proud Boy and other goose-steppers holding rallies and protests as they vent their impotent anger.

[beanman12345]

Do you guys really think we'll see mass protests by Trump supporters if he loses?

I just don't see it. The crazy militia fucks will probably pull some shit though.

If Trump nakedly steals this though, you better fucking believe 10's of millions of people will be out in the streets, indefinitely.

Relevant to this, I often have problems understanding why Biden is scary enough to the right to justify, in their minds, protesting election results. Whereas, for the left, we have PLENTY to fear from another 4 years of Trump.

Depends on your definition of mass protests. George Floyd level of mass protest? hell no. Covid Lockdown level of mass protest? potentially yes.

[Hinastorm]

Honestly I've been thinking about this a fair bit and I think it's a mixed bag of an answer.

We saw the membership of militias and right wing orgs skyrocket under Obama (Because a Black Man had the audacity to become president or something) but Right Wing violence didn't increase to compensate (I could be wrong, correct me if I am).

But Trump's drummed up a base of lunatics and it'll depend on how he and his stooges try and spin the narrative when they're on the way out. I see isolated incidents in the future more than I see mass civil unrest, and from there an uptick in Proud Boy and other goose-steppers holding rallies and protests as they vent their impotent anger.

Right, I think a republican reaction is more likely to manifest in many smaller, but more violent, incidents.

While a democrat reaction is more likely to take the form of mass protests.

I'm just trying to prepare myself the best I can.

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Depends on your definition of mass protests. George Floyd level of mass protest? hell no. Covid Lockdown level of mass protest? potentially yes.

You're REALLY not paying attention if you think there won't be millions out in the streets if Trump nakedly steals this.

To clarify, by nakedly I mean that it's obvious he lost, but pulls some shit with mail in ballets. Or if he clearly lost, and the court hands him the election.

We're not gonna tolerate that shit.

[jonnysensible]

Do you guys really think we'll see mass protests by Trump supporters if he loses?

I just don't see it. The crazy militia fucks will probably pull some shit though.

If Trump nakedly steals this though, you better fucking believe 10's of millions of people will be out in the streets, indefinitely.

Relevant to this, I often have problems understanding why Biden is scary enough to the right to justify, in their minds, protesting election results. Whereas, for the left, we have PLENTY to fear from another 4 years of Trump.

feels like the gop structure is prepping for a loss but also seeing what works for the future. working out what vote supressing and election rigging tricks they can tryout now and hone for the next one. There is an idea that fascism comes first as a farce with some clown doing a dry run that can be lauged off (we thought they would rig this one but they didnt!) and that it conditions people to accept authoratarianism and see it as safe to laugh at. Then the next time it comes with the SS.

For instance turning up to polling places with guns - if that works to supress the vote expect it at every polling station next time.
If the can get away with more extreme action gunning people down whilst getting the courts to boot out millions of votes then the will do that.

tldr Trumps a dry run for fascism