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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I think we'll know very early on election night if Trump is truly well and fucked based on the senior vote in FL.

    If he doesn't win Sumter County in FL by more than 2:1 he's done. We'll know this by around 7:15 PM.
    We will know states like FL or TX on election night and if either of those look like they are locked to biden they are going to call it. Otherwise it may take a day or two to really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Harris heads to motherfucking Texas.



    Look, this still all fits my master strategy which you know I was just guessing and coincidentally the results fit. Still, with just a few days left, and with his NC rally moved (because 50MPH wind and a bad toupee stay together as long as a Trump marriage) Trump probably can't personally go to Texas -- he has other things to worry about. And Pence couldn't stir up enthusiasm with the audience of Ellen and a long-handled spoon. Plus Trump just canceled a bunch of TV ads while Biden's making them in Spanish.

    Early voting is breaking records. COVID is wrecking the Lone Star State. Texas metro centers vote blue. Harris is zerging Trump territory. Does he have any defense left? Because if he loses Texas, there is no realistic path to victory.

    Seriously, why hasn't Trump dropped everything and headed to Texas? I just checked his campaign schecule, there's nothing in Texas, and HAH HAH two things in Florida but they both star Eric. That's not enough.
    Fan-fucking-tastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    We will know states like FL or TX on election night and if either of those look like they are locked to biden they are going to call it. Otherwise it may take a day or two to really know.
    Right, I'm just saying that if Trump doesn't crush Biden in Sumter County in FL by at least 30 points, he'll have lost a lot of white senior support as Sumter County has the highest median age in the country. It's also one of the most republican counties in the country with 85% R 15% D party registration. Rick Scott won it in 2018 71% to 29%.

    We should have 80% returns from there by around 7-730 PM on election night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Basically if we can do to the GOP what they did in 2010 with taking tons of state legislatures that could be super useful. Having a big sweep of local races going into a map redrawing year is massive.
    Hopefully democrats on the state level shove it right up the GOP's ass with gerrymandering and whatever trick they can pull to make sure the rats never take power again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    I think Texas will be Trump’s version of Hillary’s 2016 Blue Wall. GOP and internal polling says he has Texas in the bank so why bother?
    It would be pretty amazing if TX flipped that way. Especially if Harris is there - no way they send her for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The swing states have long been spoiled children, who feel the need for constant attention from candidates. In 2016, people were outraged that Hillary didn't visit their state, when the reality is that the candidates don't visit a lot of the states (unless it's a private fundraising event for rich ass kissers). I personally don't give a damn if a candidate visits my state, because that won't really help them to actually provide policies that would be beneficial. I don't need the attention of some politician, I want them to do their fucking jobs, and don't want them to be shitty humans.
    It's really amazing that the election comes down to 3-5 states. The Electoral College is just beyond ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Whilst I don't follow CNN for 'news', their journalists are excellent. Brianna Keilar, Dana Bash, Anderson Cooper. I even like Tapper and Cuomo.

    Their reputation as 'shitty' to me seems like pre-2017 residual discord. Since their swing to left, they've actually been very good.
    They are actually a very good news channel, @Machismo, they've just been smeared vis a vis Hillary by the conservative idiot culture, in an attempt to "level the field" and make them "the same" as Faux News.

    I recall CNN's coverage being VERY good for election night. I really hope they do the "not counted yet" section as well as tally total for Biden/Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I cannot bring myself to watch MSNBC, I feel dirty every time I see it. Oddly enough, I actually like Maddow, even though she's about as far from me politically, as one can get.
    She is worth watching, even if one disagrees with her politics. She is ridiculously bright and brings that to her broadcasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    And Trump has canceled his election party.

    I think he knows he's gonna lose.
    At his hotel. They're looking into doing it at the White House. Because you know, fuck all norms and shit.

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    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...7-fae72f290000

    So...I guess this is the excel tracking sheet HHS used for vetting celebrities for their pointless $300M PR campaign.

    There are some gems in there, specifically this note about Ronda Rousey -

    r Publicly supported Democratic Party candidate Bernie Sanders for 2016 election. Anti-feminist view at times. Arrested during WWE event in 2019.
    The Trump administration is unironically this guy, except they don't have the self awareness to realize that it's not actually real -


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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Flipping the state would be amazing, but it's not what I expect. I expect this move to intentionally troll Trump and force him to redirect his attention, time, and money from other locations to Texas just so he doesn't lose the state.

    He has two choices, both bad.
    1) Spend funds, time, and other limited assets, or
    2) Do nothing, and hope that the Texas changes to polling locations etc. doesn't work against him.

    Trump is a piece of #2 so I expect that to be his choice, but it's very risky. Texas went out of their way to fuck early voting hard. Consequence? Long lines Tuesday. And right now, especially with COVID death rates in Texas effectively leading the nation, Biden supporters are more motivated than Trump supporters. Meaning, if both see a long line, Biden supporters will be more likely to stand in it.

    Trump has put himself in a situation where he only has bad choices left. He can and very well should still carry the state, but he either has to work for it, or hope for the best.
    I'm betting it has something to do with Texas 2020 early voting surpasses 2016 total voter turnout.

    Now I REALLY wonder what their internal polling is saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    We will know states like FL or TX on election night and if either of those look like they are locked to biden they are going to call it. Otherwise it may take a day or two to really know.
    As I’ve said I think Texas will still be a trump victory, even if it’s a lot closer than republicans would like.

    As for Florida, I’m very hopeful Biden will take it but Florida’s governor is a major trump sycophant. I fully expect him to attempt to bend over backwards to try and effect a Trump victory, especially if the race is close. And even if that doesn’t end up working out in Trump’s favor, the challenges still might take time to resolve.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    It really should scare the shit out of conservatives that Texas is even being discussed as a possibility of flipping. I’d still be absolutely stunned if it happened but it shouldn’t even be a question.

    At this point, I’m becoming more and more convinced that the GOP as currently constructed won’t exist in twenty years. Even with four more years of Trump, the message being pushed further right is only going to do more harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I think we'll know very early on election night if Trump is truly well and fucked based on the senior vote in FL.

    If he doesn't win Sumter County in FL by more than 2:1 he's done. We'll know this by around 7:15 PM.
    This - entirely. That statistic that was posted yesterday about Trump winning 65+ by 17 points in 2016 and now Biden is leading that same demographic going into election weekend is fucking insane. Trump losing FL is the ballgame - and IIRC, they count ballots pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    And Trump has canceled his election party.

    I think he knows he's gonna lose.
    What?!?!?!

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/u...gtype=Homepage

    U.S. border authorities have been expelling migrant children from other countries into Mexico, violating a diplomatic agreement with Mexico and testing the limits of immigration and child welfare laws.

    The expulsions, laid out in a sharply critical internal email from a senior Border Patrol official, have taken place under an aggressive border closure policy the Trump administration has said is necessary to prevent the coronavirus from spreading into the United States. But they conflict with the terms upon which the Mexican government agreed to help implement the order, which were that only Mexican children and others who had adult supervision could be pushed back into Mexico after attempting to cross the border.

    The expulsions put children from countries such as Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador at risk by sending them with no accompanying adult into a country where they have no family connections. Most appear to have been put, at least at first, into the care of Mexican child welfare authorities, who oversee shelters operated by religious organizations and other private groups.
    The Trump administration and ICE are racist, hateful, deplorable, disgusting, repugnant, obscene, inhuman monsters.

    Not only are is the Trump administration and ICE kidnapping children and losing those kidnapped children, they're also sending them, alone, to another country that doesn't have the resources to care for them and where they have no family or connections. That's psychological trauma that absolutely meets the bar of torture, and all involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And maybe a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Right, I'm just saying that if Trump doesn't crush Biden in Sumter County in FL by at least 30 points, he'll have lost a lot of white senior support as Sumter County has the highest median age in the country. It's also one of the most republican counties in the country with 85% R 15% D party registration. Rick Scott won it in 2018 71% to 29%.

    We should have 80% returns from there by around 7-730 PM on election night.
    When we're in the throes of election results coming in, can you keep reminding us of that? Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    At his hotel. They're looking into doing it at the White House. Because you know, fuck all norms and shit.
    Plus, since they are out of money, the People can pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smash Adams View Post
    It really should scare the shit out of conservatives that Texas is even being discussed as a possibility of flipping. I’d still be absolutely stunned if it happened but it shouldn’t even be a question.

    At this point, I’m becoming more and more convinced that the GOP as currently constructed won’t exist in twenty years. Even with four more years of Trump, the message being pushed further right is only going to do more harm.
    All depends on if they can succeed in cheating to victory this year, then they will try and change the rules further to advantage them as they have already proven they don't care about law and order or even the US Constitution and will pack the courts with sycophants who feel the same way. This is the closest thing to coupe on the national level we have ever had as a nation.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    As I’ve said I think Texas will still be a trump victory, even if it’s a lot closer than republicans would like.

    As for Florida, I’m very hopeful Biden will take it but Florida’s governor is a major trump sycophant. I fully expect him to attempt to bend over backwards to try and effect a Trump victory, especially if the race is close. And even if that doesn’t end up working out in Trump’s favor, the challenges still might take time to resolve.
    The challenges are going to be both Yuge and Significant. The GOP is ready to go in most states to challenge votes. I understand that Biden has legal teams/peeps ready to go as well, but in this case, offense is better than defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I mean, I don't have a running tally but the campaign probably has something left. Or a PAC might help. Or Trump could donate to his own campaign and spend theheheeheeheee HAHAHAHAHHA MUAHHAHAHAHA almost got through that one.

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    What if Harris "kills" Cruz? Wait, is Cruz even running?

    (checks news)

    Aww
    Cornyn is on the chopping block, going up against MJ Hegar. I think she's running a great campaign, hope she wins and splits TX in the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    And Trump has canceled his election party.

    I think he knows he's gonna lose.
    Link?
    /10char
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Cornyn is on the chopping block, going up against MJ Hegar. I think she's running a great campaign, hope she wins and splits TX in the Senate.
    She hasn't led any poll that I've seen so far but perhaps their internals are showing something else. Capturing that seat regardless of TX going Biden would be immense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Link?
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    Not a biggie - they are moving it to the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    At the same time, however, I don’t think trump really needs to be in Texas for him to ultimately win it.

    The race for Texas will likely be a lot closer than republicans might like, but remember... they are VERY “in the moment” with their policy. If they aren’t being immediately punished or it, they’re not liable to care or think much on it. (It’s why they supported trump all this time, despite the fact that it has lead to a situation where theres a non-zero chance they could lose Texas.)

    So long as trump holds texas and, even more so, if he holds the presidency... they aren’t going to learn or introspect jack shit. And while I certainly have high hopes that he’ll be defeated by Biden for the presidency, I’m fairly certain Texas’ entrenched redness will carry trump to victory in Texas itself, despite his apathy towards the state.
    Even if they lose, introspect, they don't learn. Remember the 2014 autopsy?
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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