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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The same one that had created new accounts several times a day, for weeks.
    The astroturfing is real. Wait no, the other thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    It's so funny how all of these totally brand new accounts are never Trump supporters, but are all just coincidentally so "concerned" about social and economic justice that they can't help but advocate for Trump.
    I'm a Marxist. This is an over-used term but you quite literally "could not be more wrong". I could not possibly be further away from the Trump on the political spectrum.

    I have never advocated supporting Trump. You yourself however are supportingr a segregationist, homophobe, warmonger rapist. He might as well be Trump's clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post

    What the current corona death toll?

    I’m not a billionaire, Trump has nothing for me. With the current debt we all have to pay soon, who do you think Trump will have pay? Your family, or billionaires like him self?
    You are right,Trump has nothing for you. But Biden has nothing either, he's very much beholden to the donor class because of the funding he receives.

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    Unfortunately, Vantrinth, I won't be able to see your doubtless totally good faith posts until you're not "brand new" here anymore. Welcome to the site, newcomer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vantrinth View Post
    cheerled for Bush's wars
    I’m sorry, do you have evidence that muslims were dancing in NYC, celebrating 9/11 on NYC streets? Because Trump did... Unless you can show me that happening, your boy Trump was making shit up to encourage blood lust.

    corporatist that opposes national healthcare.
    Trump is literately a corporation that he inherited from his father and actively took healthcare from millions of people, defunded pandemic response and told states that federal healthcare equipment is not for us. I need you to explain who Kushner meant, when he said federal healthcare supplies were not for states?

    I am honestly more concerned about Biden than Trump
    Yeah, Biden is renting a luxury condo in your mind, with receipts going to Trump. Kinda like Saudi Arabia and Trump condors, he isn’t actually in that condo... just renting emptiness. 2000 troops to protect Saudi oil, just weeks after they dismembered an American resident?

    only because Trump is too half-witted to do that much
    Was Trump too half witted you give corporations a massive tax cut? Was Trump half witted when defunding pandemic response? Was Trump half witted, when middle class lost deductibles as a tax write off? Was Trump half witted when he left Paris accord, despite US setting the rules and nearly being the first country to reach the benchmark and become a world leader, for others to buy our clean energy technology? Was Trump dumb as his kids make deals with China, India and Saudi Arabia, on behalf of Trump Corporation? Was Trump dumb when saying actual Nazis that killed a woman, had good people on their side?

    Most of all... those militias that are currently heavily armed, threatening local governments in the name of Trump. If Trump doesn’t win, how do you plan to protect your self?

    and is, at this stage, a known quantity.
    Yeah, more tax cuts for the rich, more sending troops and bombing, to protect Saudi oil, more stripping of access to healthcare, more attacks on three branches of government, more disinformation, secret government plots to extort givernment’s for personal gain, more removal of watchdog groups and more money from foreign government to Trump and his kids.

    Both are horrible candidates that should be in jail, but I don't know what you think Biden is going to do for your family.
    He isn’t going to remove deductibles, he isn’t going to take people’s healthcare or SNAP, because Trump already did that. Biden now has to do shit, just to return to what the working class had, only 4 years ago. I think claiming Biden will do nothing for my family... is funny... when after Trump, nothing is all workers have. You enjoying current corporate bail outs, while states are told federal health supplies are not for us?

    I bet Biden never told millions of people losing their jobs and included healthcare, that Federal medical supplies are not for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vantrinth View Post
    You are right,Trump has nothing for you. But Biden has nothing either, he's very much beholden to the donor class because of the funding he receives.
    Fuck off with your conspiracy theories of funding. Trump is literally a corporation, an oligarch that think you need ID to buy groceries. When Hillary was investigated 8 times during Obama’s tern, what steps did Biden of Obama take, as revenge against those charging and watchdog groups aimed at... watching?

    You don’t get to cry funding, when the founders you are fearmongering are literally Trump. If my concern is funding by corporations, why the fuck would I be less afraid of the actual corporation doing the funding? Why don’t you check how much Trump Corporation spent on lobbying and influencing. Unless your argument is that it’s cheaper and easier on corporations to just be government, your fearmongering is pointless... You are not going to scare me of Biden being corporations funded, when he is standing next to that corporation.

    Edit: Stick to moral indignation, with the infallible Trump. You have nothing else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Unfortunately, Vantrinth, I won't be able to see your doubtless totally good faith posts until you're not "brand new" here anymore. Welcome to the site, newcomer!
    He fucked up and got off the moral indignation train, to dip into Trump the known commodity. Trump is now in play to discuss, without being told you support sexual assault. Finally! lol
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    The amount of mud slinging in this thread is.....not surprising at all. lol!

    On a positive note for Trump, a new Gallup poll released yesterday, his approval rating is up to 49%. Up from 43% the last time Gallup did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Unfortunately, Vantrinth, I won't be able to see your doubtless totally good faith posts until you're not "brand new" here anymore. Welcome to the site, newcomer!
    I feel bad for mods. One of them used to delete his account, then remove his quoted content from other posts. They obviously don’t have the tools to stop him, but kudos for the hard work. I think we often are too quick to bitch about them, but I see the work they are doing and this can’t be easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    The amount of mud slinging in this thread is.....not surprising at all. lol!

    On a positive note for Trump, a new Gallup poll released yesterday, his approval rating is up to 49%. Up from 43% the last time Gallup did it.
    Likely tied to the perceived economic recovery and the stock market having a strong month after the March crash. The economy is his main card to play, so it's not surprising that it improving helps his position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    The amount of mud slinging in this thread is.....not surprising at all. lol!

    On a positive note for Trump, a new Gallup poll released yesterday, his approval rating is up to 49%. Up from 43% the last time Gallup did it.
    Got to hang on to that one single poll

    Even with the Gallup poll figured into the average Trump is still at 43% and that's with polls even more resent than the Gallup being conducted.

    And according to the April polls Trump's not leading in any of the swing states, he's especially behind in both Michigan and Penn. Two states he needs just to get an electoral win.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...s/?cid=rrpromo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Likely tied to the perceived economic recovery and the stock market having a strong month after the March crash. The economy is his main card to play, so it's not surprising that it improving helps his position.
    Here is the full picture:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

    Including Gallop’s 49%, Trump is still at 43%... it looks like other polls dropping, averaged out the Gallop gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vantrinth View Post
    Biden is a segregationist, a homophobe, a warmonger, a corporatist, maybe even a rapist.

    It is simply absurd to pretend all people who are not voting for him are Trump supporters.

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    These people don't seem to have considered that they are liberals, who are happily voting for a fundamentally illiberal candidate who spent his entire life working against their interests.
    Evidence, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You'll notice he hasn't posted a poll in some time. Literally waiting until he could show one that is at least favourable. It is pretty much all Ghostpanther has.
    He is not wrong... if you look at just April 27-30, all polls showed him going up, with only Ipsos staying the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You'll notice he hasn't posted a poll in some time. Literally waiting until he could show one that is at least favourable. It is pretty much all Ghostpanther has.

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    And, I'm sorry, but I'm just going to post this here again, something to keep in mind when swapping posts with someone that was apparently a Bernie support.

    Pretty safely dismissed as a troll at this point, imo.
    Holy shit, pretty sure poll numbers aren't Trump's most significant digits right now. No wonder he's a Trump supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Pretty safely dismissed
    He is a Theo follower... simply misguided. Not saying we can help, unless we start appearing in alt right youtube...

    Entertainment purposes only:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Someone's confused Biden with Trump again.
    Turns out multiple people can be evil scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Turns out multiple people can be evil scum.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Turns out multiple people can be evil scum.
    A rational that only benefits “evil scum”, by normalizing it. By not distinguishing between Trump and Biden, you are removing the incredible difference of the two. In what other argument, would you argue someone committing a single crime and a prolific criminal, are just evil scum... without downplaying the prolific? Not making the distinction, is inadvertently just helping evil scum. After all, you can have the most evil person ever, stand to someone who ducked up, to draw no difference in evil. It’s lazy and counter productive to your actual goal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    A rational that only benefits “evil scum”, by normalizing it. By not distinguishing between Trump and Biden, you are removing the incredible difference of the two. In what other argument, would you argue someone committing a single crime and a prolific criminal, are just evil scum... without downplaying the prolific? Not making the distinction, is inadvertently just helping evil scum. After all, you can have the most evil person ever, stand to someone who ducked up, to draw no difference in evil. It’s lazy and counter productive to your actual goal...
    Well. Depending on your goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Well. Depending on your goal.
    You have to be careful in assisting what those goals are. Unless they lose their shit, like person in your sig, you can’t assume malice. I don’t think @CommunismWillWin is a bad actor... despite the inflammatory name.

    (Not an insult to your acting, I mean that you are not acting in bad faith. )
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    Biden's camp released a statement and did an interview addressing the Reade "allegation".



    Meanwhile Reade changed her story again...
    https://twitter.com/marykbruce/statu...235027968?s=20
    Tara Reade tells us that at the time, in 1993, she complained to the Senate personnel office that Biden had "made her feel uncomfortable," but she says she did not mention an assault and she has no record of the complaint. Biden calling for any records to be released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You have to be careful in assisting what those goals are. Unless they lose their shit, like person in your sig, you can’t assume malice. I don’t think @CommunismWillWin is a bad actor... despite the inflammatory name.

    (Not an insult to your acting, I mean that you are not acting in bad faith. )
    I appreciate your optimism, but I'm ok with us disagreeing on this one.
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