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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Gore only lost because of the Butterfly Ballot and the SCOTUS.
    And for those who didn't know John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett were all responsible for helping Bush with that victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Or he wins Georgia... Very possible now.
    THe New York TImes election needle has Georgia tilting towards Biden right now. Not by much, granted; only by 0.5, but fuck it I'll take it if it holds up. It shifted in a few minutes from 0.3 to 0.5 earlier. We'll have to see if it holds up.
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    Atlanta won’t finish its count tonight. Election workers in Fulton County, who were counting absentee ballots, went home for the night. A water line break delayed the count.
    So, no GA call today, same as PA

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    How do you look at the breakdowns tonight and think Bernie would have done better?

    Right now, it seems to be a consequence of increased turnout for BOTH sides, with Trump actually expanding his base. Attacks against Biden as a socialist seems to have worked in certain Latin American communities, and black communities, how do you think those would have gone against an actual DemSoc like Bernie?
    Trump literally used AOC in attack ads this weekend... Trump didn’t run against the conservative Biden...
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    The one silver lining I saw with Biden getting the nomination instead of Sanders is that I thought Biden was more likely to win Florida because of socialist propaganda nonsense. Turns out that didn't matter.

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    I meant NC when I asked earlier - does anyone have a clear picture of what's left to count in NC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Trump literally used AOC in attack ads this weekend... Trump didn’t run against the conservative Biden...
    I think its a little bizarre to think that swayed people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Trump literally used AOC in attack ads this weekend... Trump didn’t run against the conservative Biden...
    This is the big thing. Trump didn't run against Biden at all. He ran against anti-socialism. Anyone who has seen the ads knows their bullshit. Seriously, youtube after youtube ad about Biden raising your taxes and the liberal mob is on their way. Nothing but fear.

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    so bidens only path to victory is basically any combo of 2/3 of michigan winsconsin/pennsylvania
    so need very high turnout in mail in ballot returns to make it happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    The one silver lining I saw with Biden getting the nomination instead of Sanders is that I thought Biden was more likely to win Florida because of socialist propaganda nonsense. Turns out that didn't matter.
    Exactly Florida was never in play after 2016 and 2018 guaranteed it. "But Biden can win FL and Bernie cant"

    Well damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    The one silver lining I saw with Biden getting the nomination instead of Sanders is that I thought Biden was more likely to win Florida because of socialist propaganda nonsense. Turns out that didn't matter.
    It didn’t mater, because Trump never shifted from that attack... The debates were all about socialized medicine and police reform, which we took as wins for Biden... they weren’t... Bernie seems to be the opposite of Trump, in the sense that it’s a very vocal and very small minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I think its a little bizarre to think that swayed people.
    apparently his attacks on socialism worked so well he closed 10 points in latino support in florida... didnt run against biden but ran against progressivism and the squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    I meant NC when I asked earlier - does anyone have a clear picture of what's left to count in NC?
    Sounds like they receive ballots until November 12, so the remaining 5% is the number of ballots sent out that may or may not materialize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    apparently his attacks on socialism worked so well he closed 10 points in latino support in florida... didnt run against biden but ran against progressivism and the squad
    Florida Cubans weren't;t voting Dem anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I think its a little bizarre to think that swayed people.
    Not that ad specifically, but Trump ran against socialism... he didn’t run against the conservative Biden. The idea of Biden winning Florida, hinged on the idea that socialism wouldn’t stick. It didn’t mater...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Well USA - looks like you've picked a mentally ill incompetent Trump for another 4 years.

    I hope you enjoyed your 200 years of democracy, was good while it lasted.

    I suppose at least China and Russia will feel better having free reign of the planet.
    Is there anything more pathetic than the hysterical, crying, beyond cowardly leftist wretch? Tell me, If it's specifically China and Russia, the two dictatorships, that will be "free reigning" over the world, than what is stopping this alleged newly-rising U.S. dictatorship from contesting them? By your personal judgement, it's the dictatorships that perform well in ruling the world. Tell me, do you ever stop to think for a second before you post any of the nonsense that you write?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Also, why the fuck would anyone bother voting for a conservative Democratic Party? They can vote for the Republican Party if they want -real- conservatives.

    The idea that going further right is the solution for the Democratic Party just pants-on-head bad. (Or just a continuation of trying to troll the progressives within the party).
    Then explain to me why Trump didn’t run against a conservative democrat. If it’s so far fetched that a conservative democrat will win, why was Trump paining Biden as supporting medicare for all? Any idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Not that ad specifically, but Trump ran against socialism... he didn’t run against the conservative Biden. The idea of Biden winning Florida, hinged on the idea that socialism wouldn’t stick. It didn’t mater...
    I don't think Trump is gaining undecided voters. That stuff was just pandering to his base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    How do you look at the breakdowns tonight and think Bernie would have done better?

    Right now, it seems to be a consequence of increased turnout for BOTH sides, with Trump actually expanding his base. Attacks against Biden as a socialist seems to have worked in certain Latin American communities, and black communities, how do you think those would have gone against an actual DemSoc like Bernie?
    Real worry is that Dems have no appealing candidate for 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    so bidens only path to victory is basically any combo of 2/3 of michigan winsconsin/pennsylvania
    so need very high turnout in mail in ballot returns to make it happen
    That’s only if Biden wins Arizona. If he loses Arizona, he needs all three. If Biden wins Georgia and Arizona, he only needs one.
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