Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

voting for biden means more than just a government run healthcare program...

It literally doesn't mean that at all, to begin with.

[Shadowferal]

And we're already starting with the enlightened Democrat centrist bullshit.

Win or lose, centrism failed horribly. This shouldn't have been a fucking a toss up (it still is) this was supposed to be a centrist slam dunk.

Even if Biden wins, which I really hope he will, this was waaaaay too close for comfort.

If it wasn't a slam dunk then you need to ask why.
If you think voters are stupid, ignorant or whatever pejorative..then you want easy simple answers; a child's answer that we hear with every presidential speech....and with a lot of posts here.
Replace the condescension with understanding and ask questions...and listen.
Because if you think a radical Leftist would have won this then you really haven't paid any attention at all beyond your own bubble. Why did biden get only 55% of NY? Sure, the election still playing out but that seems weak for what is supposedly a democratic stronghold.

[Felya]

It literally doesn't mean that at all, to begin with.

Replace socialism with populism and you get the same exact solutions. Bernie supporters are myopic.

[kaelleria]

Oh very nice...
https://twitter.com/gtryan/status/13...491459074?s=21
https://twitter.com/gtryan/status/1324079977009188867

So, interesting data point.

The first batch of Houston County mail ballots have reported. The county was 60/38 in 2016 and pretty much in line with that after early in-person and day-of votes were counted this year.

Mail votes so far:
Biden - 2.026 (55.8%)
Trump - 1,558 (42.9%)

There are still ~20k mail ballots to go in Houston County it looks like, but this was a county that was supposed to help protect against the Atlanta surge.

If Biden is actually making up ground here, it’s going to be real trouble for Trump.

Very good news for Biden in Georgia.

[Acidbaron]

It's an institutional part of American culture.

Like how Europeans associate all kinds of bad things to Gypsies. Americans do that to socialists and communists.

So once Europe solves it's bias against the Roma. We might be able to use that as a template for Socialism over here.

I don't think it's of the same magnitude however, Roma's are looked down upon but they don't really impact our voting. I mean they are a stateless people with no voting power they have no candidate running.


Seems the Trump campaign send out a letter (email) that he needs help to stop the voter fraud from the left Mafia apparently. To fight back. So much for not inciting violence.

[Zantos]

Oh very nice...
https://twitter.com/gtryan/status/13...491459074?s=21
https://twitter.com/gtryan/status/1324079977009188867


Very good news for Biden in Georgia.

Its looking more and more like biden will handsomly win after all of the votes get counted. Got someone already saying that the votes left will put biden at over 150k over trump for PA

[Kaleredar]

I don't think it's of the same magnitude however, Roma's are looked down upon but they don't really impact our voting. I mean they are a stateless people with no voting power they have no candidate running.


Seems the Trump campaign send out a letter (email) that he needs help to stop the voter fraud from the left Mafia apparently. To fight back. So much for not inciting violence.

And antifa and illegal immigrants are a vague group with no political or economic power, and yet look at how the right wing in the US have successfully capitalized on scapegoating them.

[Redwyrm]

Just a little perspective. Obama had to work against a hostile Republican majority in the Senate for a good part of his term. And he still was able to turn the dumpster fire of an economy around from what Bush left him.

[thilicen]

Trump went down to 403 000 in PA just now, reported on CNN

[Felya]

Its looking more and more like biden will handsomly win after all of the votes get counted. Got someone already saying that the votes left will put biden at over 150k over trump for PA

I hope so... gf already losing her shit, on top of her having a stomach bug... I am two hours behind at work, but taking lunch regardless.

[wunksta]

Why did biden get only 55% of NY? Sure, the election still playing out but that seems weak for what is supposedly a democratic stronghold.

Well only 78% of the votes appear to have been counted so far and historically, NY has been around 57% Democrat with 2008 and 2012 around 63%. My guess is that he will gain a few more points.
https://www.270towin.com/states/New_York

This says 84% reported with Biden at 58%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-new-york.html

[kaelleria]

Trump went down to 403 000 in PA just now, reported on CNN

DecisionDeskHQ shows him within 340k.

[Felya]

And antifa and illegal immigrants are a vague group with no political or economic power, and yet look at how the right wing in the US have successfully capitalized on scapegoating them.

I hate people who respond with “this”... so... this...

[Acidbaron]

And antifa and illegal immigrants are a vague group with no political or economic power, and yet look at how the right wing in the US have successfully capitalized on scapegoating them.

You are better off using Muslims or certain specific nationalities that are Muslim instead of Roma then in that comparison. The Roma at least here in Belgium and The Netherlands are really not on the radar. That's my point, i am aware stereotypes of people are used to turn them into an enemy to get votes, our far right does it.

[thilicen]

DecisionDeskHQ shows him within 340k.

If that's true then the current trend is looking remarkably good for Biden.

[Flower Milk]

Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???

[Theodarzna]

Might want to check your math there

Calm down, I wasn't aware of the Nebraska one, I am not uber following this. As I said last night whilst most were having a literal meltdown, just go to sleep, he will probably win by tomorrow or so.

Though without the Senate, the laughable absurdity of "Pushing Biden Left after the Election" is even more ridiculous now.

[thilicen]

Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???

In a true democracy, those issues would be decided by popular vote and not the convictions of a few, religious or otherwise..

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Time to summon Kokolums and see what he has to say about these turn of events.

[Mihalik]

Running a populist should never be done. Populism is evil and should be shunned no matter what. No populism, no appeal to emotion 100% rational non emotive person needs to be the person to run.

Even when incidentally the populist is significantly more rational and policy based than the centrist whose main appeal are nebulous concepts of "normalcy" and "dignity"?

Suuuuureeee....