Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

No, but it's a great example of the disconnect between progressive policies and candidates.

Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

See above.

Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

Every actual proposal that gets into specifics, other than just the general idea of M4A, doesn't back this up.

Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???

They do support these things. And despite their popularity, Republicans still vote for candidates who don't support them.

Literally proving my point here.

[Flower Milk]

because it would ruin the party?

How would it ruin the party to support something that a majority of Americans support? Did Democrats supporting abortion and gun control ruin the party?

[arandomuser]

Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???

its clear to me that elections are only based on culture war mentality now, which is very dangerous, almost feels like weimer, like people dont vote based on policy but rather if they assign to their cultural values, if you are educated, and socially progressive you are seen as anti working class even if you support policies they like economically like unions and minimum wage.

[Flower Milk]

No, but it's a great example of the disconnect between progressive policies and candidates.



See above.



Every actual proposal that gets into specifics, other than just the general idea of M4A, doesn't back this up.



They do support these things. And despite their popularity, Republicans still vote for candidates who don't support them.

Literally proving my point here.

Democrats do not support single payer healthcare, they literally voted it down as part of their party platform during the Democratic convention this year.

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/28/dnc...t-from-voters/

DNC platform committee votes to reject Medicare for All despite overwhelming support from voters
Polls show more than 85% of Democrats support Medicare for All. The DNC panel rejected it in a 125-36 vote

Please explain why the Democratic Party doesn't support something 85% of their party supports. Make it make sense.

[Timester]

Trump going legal to stop counting Penn State votes.

[Felya]

Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

It doesn’t seem like Americans care enough to vote... they can do what ever they want... it’s not reflected in voting.

Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

Absolutely... they do more damage to gun control, by making it a wedge issue. Concede rhetorically and do it through legislation...

Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

This is your scam... you are misrepresenting what people support, when you say single payer.

Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???

Because you are ignoring what people are telling you, to repeat shit like a music box.

[Zantos]

Trump going legal to stop counting Penn State votes.

Nothing legal about trying to stop voter counts. Hes already lost.

[Felya]

Though without the Senate, the laughable absurdity of "Pushing Biden Left after the Election" is even more ridiculous now.

Mark your calendars... we agree...

[thilicen]

CNN reporting Trump Campaign is actually suing PA to stop counting. Surely that can't work?

[Mihalik]

It's an institutional part of American culture.

Like how Europeans associate all kinds of bad things to Gypsies. Americans do that to socialists and communists.

So once Europe solves it's bias against the Roma. We might be able to use that as a template for Socialism over here.

That is... The most singularly stupid and aggressively ignorant thing, I have possibly read on this forum in a while.

Like you've just given everyone from Kokolums and Orlong and a run for their money.

Read that again...and if you think that's something you gonna stick by, you actually have completely lost your God damn mind.

[Timester]

Trump doing a 25 dollars pitch to stop counting votes. What the actual fuck?

[TigTone]

CNN reporting Trump Campaign is actually suing PA to stop counting. Surely that can't work?

I mean this was predicted all along and Mitch packed the courts for a reason.

[Sunseeker]

populism isn't something to strive for...

Supporting things because the people want them isn't populism. Supporting stupid, racist and backwards things only because the people want them is populism.

Populism isn't just about appealing to the wants of the people. It's about appealing to the baser wants of the people. The small, stupid, scared, idiotic, irrational wants of the people.

[Felya]

CNN reporting Trump Campaign is actually suing PA to stop counting. Surely that can't work?

I don’t think so... In US you can file a suite for anything... like the one I like to use as an example... someone sued a football player, because the thought of his tiny penis, caused them 250 million worth of emotional damage. Basically, a fan of the opposing team, filed a lawsuit, that was pretty much a very... long... troll, saying he had a tiny dick.

[thilicen]

I mean this was predicted all along and Mitch packed the courts for a reason.

Honestly didn't think they would go that far. There's just no way they are actually heard on this?

[Felya]

Is this the excuse we're going to use for Biden not keeping any of his campaign promises?

"He can't because the senate!" *fake Pelosi crocodile tears*

Your signature:

:: Biden is more conservative than Joe Rogan ::.

[Not A Cat]

So uhh... what's the Trump twitter situation like?

[arandomuser]

dems could abandon the identity politics thing and it wouldnt matter, hell joe wasnt even that candidate anyways, although some of the specific hate i see for kamala rather than joe shows she had some negative effect on his result, but again trumpers arent voting against biden, they arent voting against the DNC platform, they are voting against the dem base which theey percieve as the pink haired social justice warrior crowd... and the only way you can change that is to change the dem base which we are stuck with, it just sucks were going to lose to an authoritarian instead of a normal conservative,

[Thekri]

CNN reporting Trump Campaign is actually suing PA to stop counting. Surely that can't work?

It won't. It is classic Trump "Throw shit at the wall and see what sticks".

The logic is pretty clear, Trump has to create enough noise and controversy to prevent the "Biden won the election fair and square" narrative from taking root. The more attacks he launches, the more he can make it seem like the issue isn't resolved. It is his strategy for literally everything. He is just trying to make the facts controversial, he doesn't have to win lawsuit, just launch it. Then use its dismissal to feed the persecution complex.

[Edge-]

Democrats do not support single payer healthcare, they literally voted it down as part of their party platform during the Democratic convention this year.

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/28/dnc...t-from-voters/

Yes, because again, the specific proposals, when offered, have garnered considerably less support than the "idea" of M4A.

Please explain why the Democratic Party doesn't support something 85% of their party supports. Make it make sense.

https://slate.com/business/2019/10/m...s-popular.html

Recent polling by other organizations has shown even lower levels of support for a single-payer system. An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey last month found just 41 percent said they backed one, with 56 percent against, while a Fox News poll found 46 percent in favor and 48 percent against. But polling results on health care can be extremely sensitive to how the question is phrased. What makes the Kaiser Family Foundation survey interesting is that it’s been asking the public the same version of its question for more than two years now—“Do you favor or oppose having a national health plan, sometimes called Medicare-for-all, in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan?”—giving us a picture of how public opinion has evolved. And it suggests that as single payer has become a more contentious political topic during the presidential campaign, it has lost a bit of its shine.