Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Flower Milk]

Where are you getting that data? You can't just put "quote" marks around something and it makes it true.

https://www.dailyposter.com/p/six-ta...election-night

Now survey data show the strategy epically failed, as Trump actually garnered even more support from GOP voters than in 2016. Indeed, Edison Research exit polls on Tuesday found that 93 percent of Republican voters supported Trump — three percentage points higher than in 2016, according to numbers from the same firm.

[Edge-]

And every year new movies break the box office records of the previous years.

Which has literally nothing to do with voter participation, which goes up and down over the years.

Were you trying to make a point or something?

I'm not going to say that the voter turn-out wasn't high, but it isn't a relevant metric.

It is a relevant metric. It doesn't necessarily show Biden was JUST THAT POPULAR! (he's not), but it does show the importance of this election.

What I'm trying to explain here is that there's a big chunk of people who voted Trump -only- because Biden was the Democratic nominee.

Citation needed*

People went out in force for both parties this election. And I won't pretend that Trump wasn't a primary cause of this, with people showing up to either support him or vote for "the other guy", who just happens to be Biden.

Point being you were wrong in stating he was less popular than the others. When it comes to popular vote, he's more popular.

[Kallisto]

Let’s hope law enforcement arrives and arrests them all

It's america, law enforcement likely bussed them over.

[Gaidax]

Don't understand why Michigan is not called yet, what exactly are they waiting for.

[Edge-]

https://www.dailyposter.com/p/six-ta...election-night

Exit polls are even less meaningful this election given the widespread use of early/mail in voting, which Democratic voters used more than in-person voting on the day of the election.

[Kiri]

NV's and GA's counts have barely moved since early this morning. I wonder if there's something particular going on, or if they're just being extremely careful, what with how contentious this election has already been.

Iirc, NV is not counting any more votes until tomorrow. I don't know why, but I think it's suspended.

[Smitzelplix]

Let’s hope law enforcement arrives and arrests them all

They're not black or liberal so I doubt it, wouldn't be surprised if some off duty cops were in the trump supporter crowd.

[Belize]

Don't understand why Michigan is not called yet, what exactly are they waiting for.

AP called it already no?

[Ripster42]

So, anyone wanna give odds on dejoy spending a few days in jail for contempt?

[TigTone]

I don't. I only have anecdotal references of Trump voters which I personally know.

That is the best I can do, I'm no political-scientist or american poll-maker... but oh wait, those guys were really wrong too weren't they? I hope they can find new jobs.

If they are wrong this year maybe they should.

Cant be a pollster in an environment that values lies over truth.

[kaelleria]

Don't understand why Michigan is not called yet, what exactly are they waiting for.

There are theoretically enough votes for Trump to come back in Michigan, but he'd need to win 100% of the votes in urban areas to do so.

[Theodarzna]

Feel free to quote that. I don't think I've ever given a timeline, but I have been consistent that I view it as a longer term goal that will require a stepping stone approach to ultimately achieve (the ACA being the first step).

So far that doesn't seem like its going to happen with Veto Joe in office.

Fun fact about Tomorrow, Tomorrow is always a day away.

Hey, I'm just as fuckin furious about Prop 22 appearing to pass. It's horse shit and I hate how gig companies flooded the state with money to get that bullshit through. Big reason why I support campaign finance reform, which would extend to ballot measures.

So a guy married to her sister? Why should Harris control what he does or how does his work with Uber harm her?

Given that California is pretty much the most progressive state in the US, I think that's a pretty clear signal that it's not all as cut and dry/black and white as progressives would like to believe.

California is obviously not "The most Progressive State" given Prop 22 and how easy it was for Uber and Lyft to buy that election and buy endorsements from the likes of the CA NAACP. Second, How you feel about Prop 22 is unimportant, it passed in supposed Liberal, soon to be Lefty Paradise. How does that happen given your theory? Unless you labor under the conviction that "Left" just means "Super Liberal". In the end these ideological positions have opposing interests. ACA is never going to turn into a Universal Health Care system, EVER.

What are the conditions or steps? Or is this one of those "Just trust the plan!" kinda deals?

[thilicen]

Don't understand why Michigan is not called yet, what exactly are they waiting for.

There are still more uncounted votes than Biden's current lead (going by CNNs numbers 20 minutes ago), so Trump can still theoretically flip it.

[Breccia]

Turmp, I mean, Biden's lawyer declares victory.

Without cause.

It's still premature even if my favored candidate does it.

- - - Updated - - -

There are still more uncounted votes than Biden's current lead (going by CNNs numbers 20 minutes ago), so Trump can still theoretically flip it.

Exactly. Nobody's taking chances today.

[Xeones]

AP called it already no?

Google is taking their info from AP and it hasn't been called yet.

[Essem]

Arizona will go back to R, Georgia stays R, NC stays R and it will come down to Pennsylvania. the nightmare scenario. And with all the tweets about the USPS has failed to deliver a a large % of mail in ballots in many big cities, which are heavy Biden. This whole thing stinks. Trump has effectively done a coup and succeeded.

[Flower Milk]

Yeah, ok, I concede the point. It's a bad strategy and not really indicative of the overall party's though I don't think.

I don't really disagree with you in that I'd like to see more progressive candidates. I was disappointed when the South went for Biden, but I think it's hard to argue a candidate more divisive would have achieved better results here. Democrats did not underperform, Trump overperformed.

And I think Trump overperformed because this election, like 2016, wasn't a referendum on Trump. It was a referendum on neoliberal austerity politics that led us to Trump, our current state of government, and the current state of our economy. Americans are sick and tired of establishment politicians in either party who work hand in glove to continuously fuck over working class people while giving socialist handouts to corporations whenever they ask. Look at how quickly the House and Senate passed a bailout to corporations at the start of the pandemic and how they STILL won't help the rest of us while millions have lost their jobs and are being evicted. You can say "well that's because of Republican obstruction" all you want, but people still blame corporate neoliberals for getting us into this situation by being an absolutely toothless opposition at the behest of their corporate donors who also fund Republicans. It's not a coincidence that candidates who don't take corporate donations also overwhelmingly support single payer healthcare.

[Kathranis]

Don't understand why Michigan is not called yet, what exactly are they waiting for.

Yeah, greater than a 1.1% lead with 99% reported, that's a lock for Biden. Even if they stop the count, which is a fucking ridiculous notion to begin with. You don't get to stop a race just because you're in the lead. You have to cross the finish line.

And as close as WI and MI are it's unlikely a recount will find anywhere near enough votes to make a difference. Trump's only hope is to swing Arizona / Nevada (unlikely) or find a way to start throwing out significant numbers of votes.

[Xeones]

Turmp, I mean, Biden's lawyer declares victory.

Without cause.

It's still premature even if my favored candidate does it.

Yea Biden campaign should know they can't call this until Nevada is in.

[Breccia]

Prominent Republicans are condemning President Trump's false victory claim

A number of prominent Republicans are condemning President Trump after he falsely claimed victory in a late-night press conference with millions of votes still to be counted.

Former Trump national security adviser John Bolton called the president's remarks a "disgrace" in an early Wednesday interview with the U.K.'s Sky News. He joins a growing list of Republicans — including former Ohio Governor John Kasich and former New Jersey governor Chris Christie — who have also criticized Mr. Trump's comments.

"He has cast doubt on the integrity of the entire electoral process clearly for his own personal advantage," Bolton told Sky News.

Christie, who was recently released from the hospital after contracting the coronavirus, reacted to Mr. Trump's remarks while joining ABC News' live coverage of the election.

"This was not the time to make this argument," Christie said. "I think by prematurely doing this, if there is a flaw in it later, he has undercut his own credibility in calling attention to that flaw."

He called the remarks a "bad political decision," and said it was "not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make tonight who holds the position he holds."

Kasich and fellow Republican Rick Santorum both condemned the remarks.

"The more I'm thinking about it, I'm steaming," Kasich said on CNN Wednesday. "To cast dispersions on legitimate votes by legitimate voters — the American electorate — is ridiculous."

Santorum said he was "very distressed" by what Mr. Trump had to say, defending election workers counting late-night ballots.

"People get tired, they make mistakes, and they stop counting…They are not stopping counting because they are trying to fix anything or create any sort of fraud," he said.

Fox News anchor Chris Wallace likened the president's remarks to throwing a "match" on an "extremely flammable situation" during the network's election coverage.

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign swiftly condemned the false victory claim, calling it a "naked effort to take away the democratic rights of American citizens."

They should condemn it. Trump is instigating riots. And I still put hefty odds on calling on his ICE thugs to flat-out invade.