Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[JohnBrown1917]

Seems we went back to ignoring the voter suppression in the US.. again. Does it only matter when it effects voters you agree with?

[Lenonis]

Also, could you imagine the NYT's running this much defense and deference for Kavannaugh?

Sure. Take about what 1% of what Fox News did and you'd have
that much defense and deference for Kavanaugh.

[Theodarzna]

Sure. Take about what 1% of what Fox News did and you'd have
that much defense and deference for Kavanaugh.

I see you remember the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.

[Kasierith]

I see you remember the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.

Did other women come forward with accusations in the past two and a half weeks, or did people independently collaborate her claims?

[Adam Jensen]

Have you seen how he acts around children? Some of the videos are absolutely disgusting even the parents are creeped out.

You support Trump (don't give me that woke independent bullshit) which means you don't get to comment about a politician allegedly having sexual misconduct against others.

Biden shows affection that appears to be grandfatherly, but taken too far. Trump has been accused of rape, has sexual allegations laid against him, cheated on his wife with at least two porn stars, walked in on nude girls at beauty pageants and bragged about "grabbing them by the pussy" on radio.

I don't need to hear, coming from Trump supporters how they're "uncomfortable" with Biden's behavior towards women.

With that said, if you're not a Trump supporter, criticize away. But I know you, Lockedout, as much as you protest, are one.

[Theodarzna]

Did other women come forward with accusations in the past two and a half weeks, or did people independently collaborate her claims?

Well Tara Reade said that in retaliation for her complaint, she was moved off of managing interns. The Times found the interns, and they confirmed she suddenly stopped overseeing them.

Also this from the article:


Not one of Joe Biden's loyal staff will admit to the complaint yet they fired Tara Reade soon after the alleged incident occurred. Further the NYT piece confirmed that both friends of Tara Reade corroborated her story that she told them in 1993. This is important because again, this is just as the Christine Blaisy Ford claims and I recall the NYT reporting on her allegations in a much more friendly manner and essentially treating them as entirely credible. Were as with Reade suddenly the NYT's is both slow to report and very sure to be critical and dismissive. Plus, unlike Ford, Tara can show she was plausibly retaliated against for standing up for herself. Meaning there is also a paper trail to go with her allegation.

The NYT's coverage of this is basically a PR press release from the Biden campaign.

[alexw]

Did other women come forward with accusations in the past two and a half weeks, or did people independently collaborate her claims?

No other women have come forward. The only coorboration is by a close personal friend of hers and a family member. None of the people who worked with her at the time remember any such incident happening or rumors or suggestions of it.

The only other claims that have been made are that he was too tactile/hands on, hugging, backslapping, hands on shoulders or waist, kissing on the cheek, etc. Very difficult to say if he meant anything by it. But it does suggest he's out of touch with how things are now.

[Lenonis]

I see you remember the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.

If I thought you were interested in a real reply I would have given one.

[Kasierith]

Well Tara Reade said that in retaliation for her complaint, she was moved off of managing interns. The Times found the interns, and they confirmed she suddenly stopped overseeing them.

Also this from the article:


Not one of Joe Biden's loyal staff will admit to the complaint yet they fired Tara Reade soon after the alleged incident occurred. Further the NYT piece confirmed that both friends of Tara Reade corroborated her story that she told them in 1993. This is important because again, this is just as the Christine Blaisy Ford claims and I recall the NYT reporting on her allegations in a much more friendly manner and essentially treating them as entirely credible. Were as with Reade suddenly the NYT's is both slow to report and very sure to be critical and dismissive. Plus, unlike Ford, Tara can show she was plausibly retaliated against for standing up for herself. Meaning there is also a paper trail to go with her allegation.

The NYT's coverage of this is basically a PR press release from the Biden campaign.

So the statement by the NYT is accurate. If you find him being overall handsy or the allegation as is to be over the line as is, that's fine. But being upset that a news site is providing factual information is kind of counterproductive for what we should expect. This isn't the fault of the NYT for presenting bad information. It's on you for not liking that there isn't more to the story.

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No other women have come forward. The only coorboration is by a close personal friend of hers and a family member. None of the people who worked with her at the time remember any such incident happening or rumors or suggestions of it.

The only other claims that have been made are that he was too tactile/hands on, hugging, backslapping, hands on shoulders or waist, kissing on the cheek, etc. Very difficult to say if he meant anything by it. But it does suggest he's out of touch with how things are now.

I am fully aware. More pointing out for those reading that the NYT did, in fact, do their job and point out the facts as are known.

[Theodarzna]

So the statement by the NYT is accurate. If you find him being overall handsy or the allegation as is to be over the line as is, that's fine. But being upset that a news site is providing factual information is kind of counterproductive for what we should expect. This isn't the fault of the NYT for presenting bad information. It's on you for not liking that there isn't more to the story.

I am more pointing out the context of their reporting. They treated the accusation against Kavannaugh with considerably different tone and deference; yet here the tone and deference is hostile and skeptical. Interesting given the two accusations are in terms of salient facts and evidence similar, with Tara Reade actually having a paper trail for her accusations.

[Felya]

I am more pointing out the context of their reporting. They treated the accusation against Kavannaugh with considerably different tone and deference; yet here the tone and deference is hostile and skeptical. Interesting given the two accusations are in terms of salient facts and evidence similar, with Tara Reade actually having a paper trail for her accusations.

This is exposing your bias, not theirs. The context is considerably different, but that’s not what you are pointing at. You are pointing at your subjective opinion of a newspaper’s reaction, regardless of context.

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Did other women come forward with accusations in the past two and a half weeks, or did people independently collaborate her claims?

Imagine if instead of comparing it to Ford, it was compared to Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Lisa Boyne, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginiam, Mindy McGillivray, Jennifer Murphy, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Juliet Huddy, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles?

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If I thought you were interested in a real reply I would have given one.

No one is actually interested. If people gave a shit, there would be more stories for clicks. But, Trump has had 14 sexual assault accusations since 2016 alone. People don’t care... Expecting them to care now about Biden, after Trump and his supporters have convinced us for 4 years that this doesn’t mater, seems unreasonable. Chalk it up as win for every man afraid to hire an attractive woman, because she might accuse them. They beat being oppressed by women... grats!

[JohnBrown1917]

On this accusation: why is this coming out now, and why is the woman claiming it has nothing to do with the election?

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Ye, I wonder the same about the Trump accusations.

[Beefhammer]

Imagine if instead of comparing it to Ford, it was compared to Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Lisa Boyne, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginiam, Mindy McGillivray, Jennifer Murphy, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Juliet Huddy, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles?

I see what you did there. How hypocritical of these conservatives and pearl clutchers all of a sudden.

[Theodarzna]

I see what you did there. How hypocritical of these conservatives and pearl clutchers all of a sudden.

Again, I see you remember the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.

You guys must be pro's.

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On this accusation: why is this coming out now, and why is the woman claiming it has nothing to do with the election?

To me, honestly, this smacks of swift boating and Russian interference more than anything real.

It’s also a very weak accusation. The only hard evidence we have is that she was fired. Then there’s all this weird crap about her posting tweets in support of Putin and then claiming it was for a book... wtf?

This reminds me of Warren accusing Sanders of saying a woman couldn’t win. Absolutely no way to verify the statement and just a lot of innuendo. Ugh.

Did you believe the Christine Blaisy Ford accusation?

[Beefhammer]

Again, I see you remember the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.

You guys must be pro's.

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Did you believe the Christine Blaisy Ford accusation?

Fuck you and your bullshit. Go link us all your threads created about all the Trumo victims before you start calling anyone of us out.
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[Machismo]

Fuck you and your bullshit. Go link us all your threads created about all the Trumo victims before you start calling anyone of us out.

If you look, all her threads are actually about women making false claims of sexual assault.

Yes, that's some irony right there.

[Machismo]

Is it not just as hypocritical of democrats to -not- pearl clutch at this particular case?

People should really take a step back and look at how this is being reported in the media: Mainstream media running smear campaigns on Tara Reid is not something we should applaud or tolerate, just because we want Tribe D to win the elections this time around. If anything the way this is handled could be a good opportunity for people to break out of their democratic sponsored news bubble for a change.

Democrats have been clamoring for being the 'party of ethics and standards'... everything they said turns out to be nonsense if they don't treat these accusations with due diligence. They'll be just as lawless and opportunistic as Republicans and at that point you'll start to show people that there really is no difference between the two parties.

What smear campaign?

[Machismo]

I've seen a few articles from mainstream news sites expressing that Tara Reid is a 'russian asset' and digging up other very vague incidents about her past. It's not suitable or even honest reporting. Also the article linked earlier shows how biased they are: "There have been no other accusations besides you know all these others about women saying they felt uncomfortable with Biden touching them."

Some guy had to leave Survivor because he made women uncomfortable with touches. I'd sure hope a president would be held to higher standards than a reality TV show.

I haven't seen anything from "mainstream sites," perhaps you could provide that evidence.

[Felya]

I see what you did there. How hypocritical of these conservatives and pearl clutchers all of a sudden.

Actually, that’s not quite what I mean.

The list of over a dozen women who accused Trump since 2016, included many that few have heard of. What comparing the Biden accusation to Kavanagh does, is change the context to one that is already established. That’s a logical fallacy, because there are plenty of cases against Trump, politicians and celebrities, than never get heard from.

If people want proper context, compare it to over a dozen accusations against Trump, that media treated the same way. There are dozens.......

[Machismo]

I find it a bit sealioning-ish to expect people to save links to every single news article they read over the past few weeks, but if you do a quick google you get showered with results that talk about her being (misre)presented as a russian asset or agent or plant: https://i.gyazo.com/9d56dab1d7e3b30b...aa2cd1ab31.png

Expecting people to back up their claims is part of any debate and discussion. It's your claim, so don't get pissed if you are pressed on that claim. Your image shows headlines, none of which seem to show a "smear campaign."

Considering some of those were purple, you even went to those pages. My guess is you didn't find what you were looking for.