Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Omians]

My family has thankfully said shit... I think my dad screaming he identifies as a sea turtle, while I was on the phone with my mom last week, was the most political thing I heard them say in several months...

well for months its been none stop lol. "Tim Walz locking down on polling stations to combat Covid spread is just to make it harder for republicans to find places to vote" and other things along those same tones lol

[Mihalik]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and even greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

[Orange Joe]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and ever greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

Yeah no.. not doing anything will embolden them even more.

[Santti]

So, who do you think is going to win?

[TigTone]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and ever greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

Imo it needs to happen, and if they react violently then they should be branded as domestic terrorist and arrested/jailed.

Watch how fast people say they didn’t support Trump once association with him is = to terrorism.

Remember most don’t act alone and care cowards. Most hide their face and identify so not to face shame.

[Ausr]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and even greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

While I don't think Biden will go after Trump since I assume he'll want to have the nation heal and unite, I think Biden will go after Trump cronies, though.

[Xeones]

So, who do you think is going to win?

Biden is on the path to 270 and PA is looking good. All I can say.

[Blur4stuff]

Trump is going to get hit by a multitude of legal problems even if the Biden administration and new DOJ does nothing.

His entire family is in for one shitty decade.

[Mihalik]

Yeah no.. not doing anything will embolden them even more.

I said they need to focus on winning the Senate and fixing the Judiciary, not "not doing nothing*". But prosecuting the Trump clan would likely hinder those efforts, massively.

[Bodakane]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and even greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

We HAVE TO STOP playing scared.

[Felya]

So, who do you think is going to win?

I think it’s Trump... :/

If Biden wins, I will take all the shit for being wrong with a smile. But...

[beanman12345]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and even greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

Big nope. a message needs to be sent. will it embolden trump's base? yes. but if you ignore it, you depress the dem base and lose confidence in the justice system.

[Santti]

Yeah no.. not doing anything will embolden them even more.

Indeed. Doing nothing signals that there are no rules whatsoever.

[Xeones]

Biden doesn't have to do anything. NY is going to go after him regardless of what the feds do.

[For_The_Horde]

I wouldn't count Arizona as a lock just yet, their late mail-in ballots have favored republicans in the past. Of course between corona, high independent turnout, and no other independent candidates to muck it up, it could just be an even split. I think the rest of the votes would have to pull at least 20% more to the right for Trump to take it back.

[Jtbrig7390]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and even greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

No.

Trump, His Friends and His Family need to be crushed and made a example of. Crushed so hard this shit does not ever happen again.

What matters is the long game.

[Mormolyce]

Does anyone know how I can personally contact Nate Silver? The McDonalds that I stop at on the way to work is having an all day hiring event this Saturday.

Technically he hasn't called any state wrong yet. Trump took 3 of his "swing states", Biden took 1, two more still in doubt. Nevada is still counting, but he only had it as "Dem lean". Pennsylvania is the one he might turn out to be wrong about - IIRC he had it as "Dem likely" but today it appears "leans" lol. Am I misremembering or did he change that recently?

I think people were hoping Biden would do better in the swing states, not really Nate's fault he didn't.

[Felya]

We HAVE TO STOP playing scared.

It’s not a mater of being scared, but optics... if Biden wins, if he gets covid under control, if the economy recovers... then he might have the weight or support behind him to even try... but, it can’t be before mid terms...

[Bodakane]

I wouldn't count Arizona as a lock just yet, their late mail-in ballots have favored republicans in the past. Of course between corona, high independent turnout, and no other independent candidates to muck it up, it could just be an even split. I think the rest of the votes would have to pull at least 20% more to the right for Trump to take it back.

Arizona has already been called for Biden.

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It’s not a mater of being scared, but optics... if Biden wins, if he gets covid under control, if the economy recovers... then he might have the weight or support behind him to even try... but, it can’t be before mid terms...

Nope. Punish the lawbreakers. Fuck optics.

[Kaleredar]

I fucking hate to have to be the one to say this...

Assuming Biden wins, attempting to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes committed prior Biden's inauguration will be perceived by his base a witch hunt. Considering his base's sheer fanaticism and numbers, combined with his cult of personality attempting to prosecute Trump will likely mobilize Republicans politically for the midterms and 2024, and possibly cause violent retaliation by the violent fringes.

Going after Trump would be a massive tactical and ever greater strategic error. The best thing this administration can do for the next 4 years is to COMPLETELY IGNORE Trump. Assuming they can take the Senate in the Midterms and retain the House, they need to pick their fucking battles and focus on fixing the judiciary and winning in 2024, after that we can discuss going after Trump (if he's still alive) and his entire family.

Trying to do anything before that would be phenomenally counter productive.

Prosecuting the Trump's for anything they might do, if they do something shady (which they likely will) after January, that's a different conversation, but even then, the DoJ should steer clear as much as possible from any direct involvement, using state prosecutors.

I disagree. Should Biden win:

1) Seeing trump clapped in irons or fined gobs of money will be quite the jarring rebuke of him for any candidates trying to tow the Trump line. It's hard to sell "I WILL CHAMPION THE CAUSE OF TRUMP!" when he's sitting in a jail cell or under house arrest.

2) Intentionally not moving on Trump's scads of criminal actions would be exceptionally offputting for the anti-Trump crowd. You worry about rallying up the Trump base to spitefully vote in defiance of his hypothetical incarceration... what about turning off a bunch of the people who you need to actually vote for you because you didn't want to anger the always-angry Trump base?

3) If a person commits a crime, they should be punished for it.