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    If the Lincoln Project manages to steer the republican party back into some version of sane then that's fine by me. I would love to actually have a choice with my vote instead of automatically voting dem because the alternative is fucking crazy. I absolutely hated 2016 and I may even despise 2020 even more. I didn't want this election to be what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    There were unfortunately tons of liberals who fucking fell for it and I hope everyone calls them out on it and shames them for it. If we want a strong left in this country, we can't have people on the left throwing their money at Republican grifters to "resurrect the Republican Party". Absolutely not.
    I imagine their liberal funding is going to pretty much dry up after this, especially if Biden wins. Which is good.

    And don't worry, if I ever do meet someone that donated to them I'll be sure to remind them they were scammed. Hard.

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    Good speech from Biden right now. Couple of fluffs but good speech. Not a victory speech but making it clear he believes he has won and that the votes must all be counted. Pointed out that his majorities in some places are larger than Trump's were in 2016. Trump will be incensed lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    So why is it lasting this long after voting closes to see who wins?
    Because there were states who weren't legally allowed to start counting votes till polls closed. Like PA had over 2 million mail in votes and zero in person early voting.

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    google says its 248 v 214 , doesn't that mean 214 has to be very lucky to win?

    not sure how usa voting works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    There were unfortunately tons of liberals who fucking fell for it and I hope everyone calls them out on it and shames them for it. If we want a strong left in this country, we can't have people on the left throwing their money at Republican grifters to "resurrect the Republican Party". Absolutely not.
    Fell for what, exactly?

    The Lincoln Project's goals have literally never been secret. They were open about being Republicans who were disillusioned with the direction of the party, and that their goal was to bring about reform for that party.

    There's nothing to shame them for. They were never Democrats and were never working to serve any Democratic interests. Wherever did you get that impression?

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    Imagine John McCain giving a giant middle finger from beyond the grave right now to Trump.

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    Exit polls...are not good data.

    The only redeeming factor to that particular one is that they have historical data, which might show an upward trend, but is still dependent on a number of factors that are almost intangible when it comes to exit polls.

    What would we need to see are registered Republican percentages and their votes. That would be hard data regarding percentages that Trump retained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Florida went to Donald Trump, and they just voted to raise the minimum wage to $15. How do you explain that? Maybe it's that people are rejecting decades of neoliberal austerity politics (like Joe Biden) in favor of progressive policies.
    I mean, they're literally voting for more money in their pockets, without having to vote in a "socialist Dem". Which they clearly don't want to elect.

    Voters don't mind a piecemeal social policy, but they want those anti-socialists/anti-communists seated in Congress to "protect them" from the great evils of NON-AMERICA. As more and more POC find themselves in the American jingoistic mindset, and not outside it, they skew more and more conservative. It's why Asians have also been more conservative than black and brown folks, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I've said it before, I'll say it again. The "moderate republican" fan fiction only exists on MSNBC's Morning Joe.
    Well, specifically it doesn't exist with the voters, only with the establishment politicians themselves.

    There was a huge number of Republican officials and politicians that flipped to Biden. Far more defectors then any other Presidential election in recent times. However, it had zero impact on actual Republican voters, who still voted for Trump. This is more an indictment of the party becoming radically out of touch with its voters then anything else.

    The Democratic party could easily be put in the same situation in a couple election cycles, all it takes is a popular outsider to strip the party away from them. Someone like maybe the Rock, or some other celebrity could leave them out in the cold if they wanted.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
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    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Fell for what, exactly?

    The Lincoln Project's goals have literally never been secret. They were open about being Republicans who were disillusioned with the direction of the party, and that their goal was to bring about reform for that party.

    There's nothing to shame them for. They were never Democrats and were never working to serve any Democratic interests. Wherever did you get that impression?
    Shame liberals who gave them money. The Lincoln Project raised almost $70 million from mostly liberals. Any liberal who gave Republicans money to resurrect the Republican party should be shamed.

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    My biggest fear is Nevada that's it in terms of the Presidential race, am I wrong to be concerned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    All that liberal money went to... resurrecting the Republican Party. Good job guys, you did it.

    https://twitter.com/Angelux1111/stat...65473575624704
    I would be ok with a Republican party that had genuine constructive policy ideas. Someone needs to kick out all of the lunatics that have taken over and turned the party into xenophobic, hardline Christian, anti-lgbtq, anti-minority, anti-environment, anti-science nutjobs. Unfortunately there is no one left in the party to kick out that group.

    An actual "Conservative" party that has a good back and forth about how to best run the country is welcome. The current Republican party ain't that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    google says its 248 v 214 , doesn't that mean 214 has to be very lucky to win?

    not sure how usa voting works...
    Are you trolling? The internet is literally full of information on this. I'm not sure why you have to come here with shit one liners asking completely basic questions repeatedly. This isn't google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    google says its 248 v 214 , doesn't that mean 214 has to be very lucky to win?

    not sure how usa voting works...
    Right now the states Biden is leading in gives him 270. Nevada is the big question and apparently they won't be updating any info until tomorrow (bizarre), there are rumors of Arizona going back red I have no clue Google still shows Biden with a good lead there. But none of it matters if PA flips today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not that it will matter. Republicans will likely control the Senate and McConnell ain't pushing a M4A plan through. And I honestly don't even know if there are the votes in the House for it, Reps. vote their constituency, and not all their constituencies will want M4A.

    On this, no. But in general, it remains the most progressive state that leads the way on a range of issues.

    And I'm all for replacing the CA head of the NAACP given her conflict of interest with her consulting firm. That's gross nonsense.

    Easy, because it is not a core progressive policy and is still fairly new territory to most voters (the gig economy is still new), and having the pro-Prop 22 camp dump $150M+ into it and get the endorsements of groups like the CA NAACP and MADD (single issue group) helps them.

    I disagree here. It may go away, but it's a building block towards M4A.

    Slowly chip away at insurance companies and strengthen the ACA, continuing to expand access and tighten the screws on insurance company profits while improving the quality of plans and reducing the overhead. Far smarter people than I are already working on this.
    Biden said it himself, he would veto it. As for if they want it, well polling suggests its popular among all parties. But, you know, Etna and Bluecross blueshield don't like it, they prefer the "You are legally required to buy our product and fork over money for substandard services" that is the ACA.

    Prop 22 simply reveals the naked truth, Cali, is just an Uber Liberal state, it isn't some stepping stone towards any sort of Leftist political project.

    And No, it isn't easy. Because aren't we told these groups like the CA NAACP and MADD are like, allies or the people Lefties are supposed to look at as the good guys yet a Silicon Valley Oligarch was able to buy their loyalty and legions of good little Liberals voted in kind. Gutting labor rights for the promise of slightly cheaper rides.

    You keep saying "It is a building block" but how? How is it a building block towards that? Like explain the steps, because you keep asserting it is without actually explaining it. And how exactly does Biden chip away at the people whose money funded his win and for whom he promised "Nothing would fundamentally change?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Looks like the Libertarian took a fair amount in a few states, yet I never hear Republicans chastising libertarians. Trump gets those near 40k votes and he would have probably won Wisconsin.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential...isconsin,_2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Shame liberals who gave them money. The Lincoln Project raised almost $70 million from mostly liberals. Any liberal who gave Republicans money to resurrect the Republican party should be shamed.
    You got a receipt on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    All that liberal money went to... resurrecting the Republican Party. Good job guys, you did it.

    https://twitter.com/Angelux1111/stat...65473575624704
    You're telling me that bunch of Republicans who used the Democrats to take out their trash (while thinking they had a new best friend) weren't actually allies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Around 70-80% of Americans support keeping abortion legal, but conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting abortion because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

    Around 80-90% of Americans support gun control, even though conservatives don't. Should Democrats give up on supporting gun control because conservatives don't, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it?

    Around 70% of Americans support single payer healthcare, even though conservatives don't. And yet somehow, it makes complete sense to liberals to not support it, even though Americans overwhelmingly support it, and they agree that they shouldn't give up on supporting other issues like abortion and gun control that Americans overwhelmingly support it.

    Make it make sense to me. If Americans overwhelmingly support something, why should Democrats not support doing that thing???
    On a purely mathematical point of view, and in an extremely polarized bipartisan setting, those high percentages don't mean much if they don't encompass the very same people.

    If not, at the extreme, by plotting them on Venn Diagrams, you might have only about 50% that will support those 3 divisive topics (out of my head, did not do the math).

    From my understanding as an external observer, you might have significant chunks of the electorate that might shun the party focusing on all 3 points over 1 point even tough they'd support the 2 others.
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