Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Mihalik]

HAve they stopped counting in Nevada for a break or am I looking at the wrong sources, seems to have been on 588 v 580 for hours now...

They stopped counting until tomorrow 9 AM Pacific.

[Xeones]

For the xth time. The outstanding votes are mostly in LV and reno. I don't know why people are having trouble with this.

Because this race is so much closer than it has any right to be. I went to sleep fairly unsatisfied last night I'm hopeful now, but I have zero faith the American people will do the right thing at this point. There is nothing wrong with being worried.

[Ripster42]

HAve they stopped counting in Nevada for a break or am I looking at the wrong sources, seems to have been on 588 v 580 for hours now...

Counting will resume at 9am tomorrow IIRC.

[Edge-]

Biden said it himself, he would veto it. As for if they want it, well polling suggests its popular among all parties. But, you know, Etna and Bluecross blueshield don't like it, they prefer the "You are legally required to buy our product and fork over money for substandard services" that is the ACA.

Again, the idea is popular. When you start getting down to brass tacks of how much it will cost etc., that popularity drops significantly. See Elizabeth Warren: Her M4A plan rollout gutted her campaign.

Prop 22 simply reveals the naked truth, Cali, is just an Uber Liberal state, it isn't some stepping stone towards any sort of Leftist political project.

Never said it was? Just that it was the most progressive state, which is largely is. That doesn't mean it's universally progressive across the board, it's not and never has been (remember Governor Schwarzenegger?!).

And No, it isn't easy. Because aren't we told these groups like the CA NAACP and MADD are like, allies or the people Lefties are supposed to look at as the good guys yet a Silicon Valley Oligarch was able to buy their loyalty and legions of good little Liberals voted in kind. Gutting labor rights for the promise of slightly cheaper rides.

The NAACP, sure. Again, I'm with you on that, and she needs to be replaced as the head of the CA chapter.

But MADD? They've never been "lefties" or really, partisan at all. They're a single issue group: They want drunk drivers off the road, and they don't give a shit how it happens. They'll support liberal policies, conservative policies, corporate policies or anything else if it accomplishes their stated goal.

You keep saying "It is a building block" but how? How is it a building block towards that? Like explain the steps, because you keep asserting it is without actually explaining it. And how exactly dies Biden chip away at the people whose money funded his win and for whom he promised "Nothing would fundamentally change?"

Look at where we are not compared to pre-ACA

Pre-existing condition coverage went from a rarity to a mandate, and enjoys massive support.
Tens of millions more Americans have health insurance now, getting them into the system and ideally getting them politically engaged to improve the ACA.
Annual/lifetime caps are gone, and that similarly enjoys massive support.
Keeping kids on until their 26 is now universal, and enjoys massive support.
Expanded coverage for reproductive health, minus religious institutions, also is a big improvement and enjoys majority support now.
It caps insurance company profits and requires rebates after a certain threshhold, it just requires an executive branch willing to enforce it.

What would happen under Biden? Look at his plan, which works to expand access to the ACA to even more Americans and improve the quality of coverage they have while working to reduce costs for drugs etc. That's another step closer to M4A, with an expanded government run insurance program, and the more comfortable folks are with it and the more they see it won't lead to "SOCIALISM!!! DEATH PANELS!!!", the more likely they are to support actual M4A proposals.

Which they aren't doing now. They're only supporting the idea of M4A.

[PACOX]

Sky projecting a Michigan win for Biden.

That should be GG right there with PA being irrelevant and Biden maintaining AZ and NV. Should...

[Flower Milk]

You realize it's not a promise of continued support, right? It's a one-and-done donation.

If they continue supporting the Lincoln Project as they turn their sights on Democratic candidates, you might have a point, but that's not a reality we're living it.

Giving money to Republicans, ever, means you are helping Republicans win elections. Do you disagree with that? Would you ever give money to Republicans? Why not?

[beanman12345]

CNN calls Michigan for Biden.

[Machismo]

Look at all the angry "progressives," ow that this is slipping away from their boy, Trump.

[Bodakane]

That should be GG right there with PA being irrelevant and Biden maintaining AZ and NV. Should...

With MI now called, all Biden needs is one of NV, PA or GA. That's it.

[Redwyrm]

Giving money to Republicans, ever, means you are helping Republicans win elections. Do you disagree with that? Would you ever give money to Republicans? Why not?

The Lincoln Project was not running for any office and they didn't support any Republican candidates.

[JustinJgh]

Consevative tears are now on the plate.

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You don't like it then lEaVe be's your pReSiDeNt
[Infraction]

[Deja Thoris]

Reported for being very rude. Not everyone knows about other countries election systems.

It's literally been on the front page of every news website in the world on how it works. You fucking hover over it and it says stuff like "dis place is worth 10 of dem points" Don't play the victim card here.

[Eviscero]

Again, that was literally always their goal.

Heck, a lot of them are probably liberals, given that classical liberalism is right-wing conservativism.

Their short-term goal was defeating Trump. Sharing that goal justifies aiding them in achieving it. It doesn't mean you support their long-term goals.

This. Defeating Trump is priority number one. I would give up Senate and House to ensure his defeat. A shitty congress can only do so much damage. A completely unhinged lawless presidential administration headed by a would be dictator could destroy the rule of law and equal protection under it. Fuck, Trump made major headway towards that in just four years.

Btw, NBC just called Michigan for Biden.

[Xeones]

With MI now called, all Biden needs is one of NV, PA or GA. That's it.

Unless GA surprises me I don't think we will have a winner until tomorrow.

[Belize]

They stopped counting until tomorrow 9 AM Pacific.

Not quite, they're still counting (well, at least Washoe county is) but will only release the results tomorrow morning.

[Flower Milk]

The Lincoln Project was not running for any office and they didn't support any Republican candidates.

They literally just said they're gonna use the money to resurrect the Republican Party, ie. on Republican candidates and their campaigns.

If not that, do you think they will just pocket it? That's even worse. What do you expect them to do with all those millions of dollars they now have lying around that they got from Democratic donors?

[Endus]

Giving money to Republicans, ever, means you are helping Republicans win elections. Do you disagree with that?

Yes.

1> You're confusing "people who are actively representing the Republican Party as a candidate or working for said candidates" with "people who have traditionally voted Republican in the past but aren't going to be in this election". The Lincoln Project are the latter; describing them as "republicans" is reductive and misleading. They endorsed Biden and I'm sure most of them, if not all, voted that way. Political affiliation isn't a permanent thing.

2> It really depends on what they're going to use the money for. If it's not in helping Republican candidates win elections (and the Lincoln Project was not spending their money there this campaign season), then no, your money is not helping Republicans win elections.

Would you ever give money to Republicans? Why not?

Nope. Because I'm Canadian, mostly. They're irrelevant, in the same way the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany was irrelevant to the average Polish guy at least. Until it suddenly wasn't, obviously.

[caervek]

Am I right saying that based on remaining votes and lead sizes:

Biden is guaranteed to win Michigan.
Trump is is guaranteed to win everything else except Nevada
Basically whoever wins Nevada wins the white house.
Nevada is still totally up for grabs with 2/3 of votes yet to be counted and only 7k difference ATM.

?

[Fugus]

Not only that, but there's a giant economic bomb about to drop in Biden's first or second term, and the GOP controlled Senate is unlikely to even confirm any of Biden's cabinet picks so he can prepare for it. It's a disaster waiting to happen and I don't think people who are looking at Biden possibly winning the presidency but Democrats losing the Senate are even thinking about how disastrous this is going to be outside of just legislation not being passed.

At which point Biden should take a play out of Trumps playbook that they already normalized and put in "Acting" roles for them bypassing them entirely.

[Belize]

Trump is is guaranteed to win everything else except Nevada

No. PA is absolutely on the table, and so is GA to a lesser extent.