Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[fwc577]

Check your messages. sent ya the script.

Send it to me as well, please.

[Aurrora]

Except, you know, she changed her story 4 times now, and the 2nd accusation, appears to be a lie as well.

What exactly do you mean when you say she changed her story?

Are you talking about how she says her complaint doesn't contain details about the alleged assault? Because if you are I can't find any claim from her that her complaint did have those details in the first place, and the lack of those details would match up with the Larry King Live phone call from her mother where she stated she had "respect for the man" and was keeping quiet about the problems for that reason.

What exactly do you think her angle is here anyways? She's obviously not a Trump supporter. If she's lying she's been playing the long game for 27 years laying the foundations of this story with her mother's phone call, telling her neighbor, and now two more anonymous sources coming forward saying she told one of them in 1993 and the other in 2007-8. To what purpose would she do that? In the hopes that he might eventually rise to a prominent position at which point she could blackmail him?

[fwc577]

Funny, the reason was "Spam Bot". Seems giving your opinion here is not wanted? Want me to quote you a few times, to show your hypocrisy?

"I've noticed a lot of liberal hypocrisy lately. What it pretty much boils down to are liberal's want to be victims no matter what and it gets them caught in hypocritical situations"

or even better

"God, please deliver us Mr. Trump as our next President so we can send these ISIS fucks to hell, where they belong."

Interesting. Had to look back because these are clearly taken out of some context as they don't necessary reflect my beliefs as of today (Because hey, when you quote people from 2016, true story, they can change over the course of 4 years).

Going to start with the second quote from 2016: God, please deliver us Mr. Trump as our next President so we can send these ISIS fucks to hell, where they belong."

I can't give exact recount of what was going through my head back then BUT A few weeks later, my state held it's open Primary. I remember this specifically because by that time, I had educated myself on Donald Trump and realized, I wanted him nowhere near the presidency. I also knew that Hillary was all but assured the candidacy at that point as well. So what did I do during my open primary? Flipped Republican so I could specifically vote for Ted Cruz over Donald Trump.

Ted Cruz stomped Trump in my state.

As for the second quote from 2016: I've noticed a lot of liberal hypocrisy lately. What it pretty much boils down to are liberal's want to be victims no matter what and it gets them caught in hypocritical situations

You can be a liberal and still point out liberal hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is often the result of radicals, whether they are on the right or the left. The difference between me and this now banned shill, is he cannot recognize his own party's hypocrisy.

To this day, my feelings haven't changed on the subject. Physically harassing someone for political beliefs/laptop sticker or going after them through doxxing and smear campaigns are wrong. Doesn't matter if it's someone on the left who attacks someone for having a Trump sticker on their laptop and it doesn't matter if you're a misogynistic gamer-gate fuck going after women because you hate women occupying the same space as you in the online gaming world.

It's also a bit disturbing that he's managed to go back 16 pages into my posting history to pull back these two quotes.

[Orbitus]

What exactly do you mean when you say she changed her story?

Are you talking about how she says her complaint doesn't contain details about the alleged assault? Because if you are I can't find any claim from her that her complaint did have those details in the first place, and the lack of those details would match up with the Larry King Live phone call from her mother where she stated she had "respect for the man" and was keeping quiet about the problems for that reason.

What exactly do you think her angle is here anyways? She's obviously not a Trump supporter. If she's lying she's been playing the long game for 27 years laying the foundations of this story with her mother's phone call, telling her neighbor, and now two more anonymous sources coming forward saying she told one of them in 1993 and the other in 2007-8. To what purpose would she do that? In the hopes that he might eventually rise to a prominent position at which point she could blackmail him?

She said she reported the assault to people in the Senate, and now she says she didn't. She has been supporting Biden for 25+ years, then went nuts and started supporting Putin. She has changed almost every blog post she had made on Medium to be more in line with her current allegation, she changed her story 3 fucking times as to why she left government. Her brother changed his story to be more in line with hers as well.

[breadisfunny]

I was not and still am not a Biden supporter. Yes, I'd much prefer him over Trump and will vote for him because he and the dems will do the most for the things I care about. He wasn't even in my top 5.

But it's becoming obvious that this assault thing is bullshit. When I first heard it I leaned towards believing her. I wouldn't have trouble believing Biden crossed the line at some point given his past handsy behavior, but there still needs to be credible evidence of some kind. I don't choose to believe Trump is a rapist just for the fun of it. I choose to believe it because there's over three decades of solid evidence showing that he is.

Certain progressive groups are really getting carried away with this because they want Biden to crash and burn so they can say,"I told you so. Should have nominated Bernie." Obviously trolls (Russian and otherwise) along with Trump cultists are running with this because, duh.

i'm not sure who to believe about this matter at this point.

[beanman12345]

Send it to me as well, please.

Check your messages. Sent ya the script!

[Felya]

i'm not sure who to believe about this matter at this point.

You don’t have to choose... she doesn’t have to be lying on purpose. Even if it’s 100% clear that she is lying, you cannot shame her, because it harms other women. As I keep saying, this is a very sensitive topic, that can have negative ramifications, no matter how it ends.

[breadisfunny]

Again. VPs do fuck all. She voted for Obama with Biden getting to sit around and do nothing. Especially when the GOP controlled the senate.

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Will do. People vastly overestimate what Cheney actually did.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

all those connections with haliburton and them mysteriously benefitting while cheney was in power and all cheney's friends just SEEMING to get put in position's of power. yes all of these dozens of instances in which his friends benefitted are all just coincidence.

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OMG, you wrote an essay.

HEY EVERYONE, THIS GUY WROTE AN ESSAY. HE'S CLEARLY RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.

wow clearly such a rebuttal. i mean damn that sure shut down his arguments.

[Bdatik]

I'll put it here, too, in case anyone else would like it: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post51127791

Thank you, I originally held off on blocking new users, but it's been way out of control lately.

[breadisfunny]

If you can endure another cycle then stop pretending you care about any of those issues or like this is some kind of moral stand. This is the system we have you can't change it by doing this but you can make it worse by your choice which in your case is Trump.

saying you can't do anything to change the system......while refusing to do anything to change the system....

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This stupidity doesnt help women causes. Why the fuck do they do this?

/facepalm

fame and publicity.

[Felya]

saying you can't do anything to change the system......while refusing to do anything to change the system....

But, aren’t we in a catch 22? We know Trump support doesn’t care about assault. We also know that in March of 2019, the violence against women act lost funding. It is still currently not funded and there is no indication that GOP or Trump will be interested. If Trump wins, it pretty much ends a program providing women with 1.6 billion to persecute the rich and the powerful. I know Biden will push it and sign it, because he cosponsored and co-wrote the bill in 1993.

That’s part of the problem here. Biden was very involved in one of the most important legislations for victims who couldn’t afford to fight their abusers. While Trump is presiding over a GOP, that has blocked it for over a year. Even if you believe Biden did assault women, you are put in a bind where not voting Biden, will harm women seeking to persecute people like Trump and Biden. It’s partially why, even the neighbor backing Reade story, stated she will vote Biden.

[Draco-Onis]

saying you can't do anything to change the system......while refusing to do anything to change the system....

Read that again you don't change the system by doing nothing, you want to change the system you vote, get involved you don't sit on your ass and say fuck it.

[PACOX]

Read that again you don't change the system by doing nothing, you want to change the system you vote, get involved you don't sit on your ass and say fuck it.

Not voting and voting for a third party are ways people express their displeasure in the the system. Ultimately the beauty of the vote is that you do owe it to anyone, it's yours to do as you please with it.

I'll let that assumption slide.

[Draco-Onis]

Not voting and voting for a third party are ways people express their displeasure in the the system. Ultimately the beauty of the vote is that you do owe it to anyone, it's yours to do as you please with it.

I'll let that assumption slide.

And the system also says that doing so is giving Trump a free vote he has been pretty clear that it is his plan to win the presidency again. If your morals dictate that your reaction to Trump someone who puts neo Nazis (Sebastian Gorka) white nationalists (Stephen Miller) and other racists in power is not to stand up against him then they ain't worth much anyways.

if Trump wins hope you endure it in silence because when it counted you decided to be quiet as other people suffered and died for four years. Don't like it? well too bad the system makes it so you vote third party or not vote is pretty much the same thing as voting for him.

[Felya]

Not voting and voting for a third party are ways people express their displeasure in the the system. Ultimately the beauty of the vote is that you do owe it to anyone, it's yours to do as you please with it.

As the violence against women act has not been funded for over a year, the system you would be standing up against, is 1.6 billion to women accusing powerful men like Biden and Trump of sexual assault. Unlike Trump who will not sign it, I know Biden will... ask me how I know that... the punch line is the best part.

[PACOX]

And the system also says that doing so is giving Trump a free vote he has been pretty clear that it is his plan to win the presidency again. If your morals dictate that your reaction to Trump someone who puts neo Nazis (Sebastian Gorka) white nationalists (Stephen Miller) and other racists in power is not to stand up against him then they ain't worth much anyways.

if Trump wins hope you endure it in silence because when it counted you decided to be quiet as other people suffered and died for four years. Don't like it? well too bad the system makes it so you vote third party or not vote is pretty much the same thing as voting for him.

Appealing to morality is mute when the other guy sponsored the crime bill that destroyed many lives. The guy who was buddies with segregationists, the guy who more than ready to his hat in for the Iraq War, the guy who struck down same-sex marriage, he helped fuel the 80s War on Drugs that destroyed minority communities, the who signs a women protection act with one hand and gropes a woman with the other.

Theres no moral argument in this election. Its sleazy guy in the red hat vs sleazy guy with the blue tie.

[Felya]

Appealing to morality is mute when the other guy sponsored the crime bill that destroyed many lives.

The crime bill that included 1.6 billion to help women of assault persecute people like Biden and Trump? Was it the anti child abuse statutes?

Theres no moral argument in this election. Its sleazy guy in the red hat vs sleazy guy with the blue tie.

Biden’s violence against women act, had not been funded since March of 2019. Explain to me how Trump ending that, gives you moral ambiguities right now?

[Draco-Onis]

Theres no moral argument in this election. Its sleazy guy in the red hat vs sleazy guy with the blue tie.

That only works if you have been in a coma for the last 4 years Trump isn't a regular sleazy red guy and you know it, just endure it in silence. When people ask you what you stood up for say you enjoy lying down in a corner instead. Do you think Lincoln was the prefect president for black people to stand up and die for? here all you got to do is vote but that's too darn hard you want to endure.

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The crime bill that included 1.6 billion to help women of assault persecute people like Biden and Trump? Was it the anti child abuse statutes?



Biden’s violence against women act, had not been funded since March of 2019. Explain to me how Trump ending that, gives you moral ambiguities right now?

Saying Trump and Biden are just the same thing is just mind boggingly dumb you have to be an extremely privilege person immune to all the shit he has done the last 4 years to make that type of statement. It also means you are also so full of yourself to think it will never get to a point where it will affect you, I am sure people in Nazi Germany thought the same thing until it was their turn.

[Felya]

That only works if you have been in a coma for the last 4 years Trump isn't a regular sleazy red guy and you know it, just endure it in silence. When people ask you what you stood up for say you enjoy lying down in a corner instead. Do you think Lincoln was the prefect president for black people to stand up and die for? here all you got to do is vote but that's too darn hard you want to endure.

I don’t think people get the full grasp... If Hillary or Biden won in 2016, ACA would have been expanded to closer meet Hillarycare. There would be no wall, no child cages, no muslim ban, no fighting over DACA. There wouldn’t be the largest tax cut for corporations in history, with us losing deductibles, pandemic response. There would be no DeVos selling education to the top bidder. We would have completed our end if Paris accord ahead of schedule. There would be no nazis marching in the streets nor would ANTIFA exist.

To claim that Trump is more of the same, is absurd. We need to work to get to where we were in 2016, for the same reason people are bitching now. It’s just worse now, because we know how this ends...

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Saying Trump and Biden are just the same thing is just mind boggingly dumb you have to be an extremely privilege person immune to all the shit he has done the last 4 years to make that type of statement. It also means you are also so full of yourself to think it will never get to a point where it will affect you, I am sure people in Nazi Germany thought the same thing until it was their turn.

They did it to Kerry. We really needed Bush to finish what he started... I do fucking love that. Bush had 70% approval for the war in Iraq. Was voted back into office, because Kerry was too against the war. All the while Trump is feeding muslim conspiracy theory, complaining that we need to bomb more. Fast forward 16 years... now Trump is the same as Biden, because he voted to grant Bush war powers... while Trump was too far from hitting the ‘nuke them all’ button to get his way.

Oh and guess what... Just today Trump started bitching about Bush’s behavior towards the greatest crime ever committed in American history. Yeah, Trump bitches that Bush didn’t help him during impeachment.

Edit: Can you even imagine if Trump was President on 9/11? Unlike Bush, Trump would listen to UN inspectors and not believe a recanted story that fits his narrative perfectly? The guy pushing China conspiracy theories now?

[Elenos]

I don’t think people get the full grasp... If Hillary or Biden won in 2016, ACA would have been expanded to closer meet Hillarycare. There would be no wall, no child cages, no muslim ban, no fighting over DACA. There wouldn’t be the largest tax cut for corporations in history, with us losing deductibles, pandemic response. There would be no DeVos selling education to the top bidder. We would have completed our end if Paris accord ahead of schedule. There would be no nazis marching in the streets nor would ANTIFA exist.

That's a very nice fantasy on what would have happened had Hillary been elected, you have some real points but here's a reality check for you if Hillary, a widely despised politician herself, would have won.

Republicans would have held the House in both 2016 and 2018 and held the Senate or lost it to a very narrow democratic majority until 2018. That means every bill, every presidential political appointee and every judicial appointee that Hillary would have tried to pass would be blocked by Mitch McConnell. You talk about expanding ACA when Hillary would not even have the people to turn the lights on for US government, let alone passing a budget without a government shutdown or another debt ceiling crisis.

As for DACA? DACA might been ruled unconstitutional by a lower conservative judge or appeals court in the same way Obamacare and DAPA were, and the Supreme Court might have let that decision stand purely on the fact they'd deadlock 4-4. Let's not even talk about Paris and how that would have gone down.

Democrats said this lie in 2016 over what Hillary would do, thinking that they could reverse over half a decade of some of the worst local, gubernatorial and congressional losses in just one election. Yeah sure and I'm riding a unicorn. At best she could protect Obama's legacy, whatever that means, and at worst she would have had to reverse some of it to even get the government running.

I tell you what your precious Hillary would have done, because she told us herself: Instituted a No-Fly Zone over Syria and restart a push for a full blown regime change war against Assad. Great stuff.

You want to get your domestic agenda done then there's only one path: Get democrats elected to Congress, otherwise even someone like Biden who plenty of republicans would work with will accomplish very little of what you want.