Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Egomaniac]

You'd be surprised by how many Bernie supporters became Trump supporters because Clinton/Biden won the nominations. Trump supporters aren't quite a monolith, and they aren't necessarily invested in the Republican party the way they are invested in Trump personally. Many of his supporters are newly politically activated and voted for the first time in this election. That's why his turnout was so much higher this year.

The difference is that the Bernie bros feel like Bernie got screwed by the establishment...so they said "fuck you" to the establishment.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump really is such a piece of shit. Thanks for undermining our democracy. Again, we really are a shit nation with him getting 70 million votes.

[Edge-]

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...-bomb-threats/

Bomb threat in Philly now, in the Fashion District for some reason?

Sounds like it was a hoax thankfully, but this kind of shit needs to get squashed. Hard.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Seeing Georgia go blue is trippy. But well, it seems to be happening folks, and it seems like it'll stick. Screw PA and NV. Biden winning off of GEORGIA is going to be goddamn hilarious.

[Nurasu]

The difference is that the Bernie bros feel like Bernie got screwed by the establishment...so they said "fuck you" to the establishment.

I like how the establishment is simultaneously a bunch of bumbling idiots that can't win elections, but also a mastermind at rigging elections.

[Blur4stuff]

If someone wants to see Bernie Sander's ideas become reality then voting republican, especially Trump, makes that impossible. Voting for dems doesn't guarantee it will happen immediately, but it does get you closer.

I don't see it as a hard choice. Either you want to move closer to what Sander's pushed for or you don't.

[Felya]

Trump really is such a piece of shit. Thanks for undermining our democracy. Again, we really are a shit nation with him getting 70 million votes.

Interesting number... GOP is pushing 60 million for Trump legal fights over the vote... almost a buck per vote...

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If someone wants to see Bernie Sander's ideas become reality then voting republican, especially Trump, makes that impossible. Voting for dems doesn't guarantee it will happen immediately, but it does get you closer.

I don't see it as a hard choice. Either you want to move closer to what Sander's pushed for or you don't.

Start talking to centrist, using centrist language. The one issue that Trump exposed, is that we have two different vernacular. Half the country disagrees what socialism means and it scares centrist. Now replace socialism with, Americans for America, you can swing the right... not just centrist...

[gondrin]

Interesting number... GOP is pushing 60 million for Trump legal fights over the vote... almost a buck per vote...

I can see it now. "For only the cost of a cup of coffee at McDonalds, you too can help Trump fight this terrible outcome." with sad music in the background.

[Edge-]

GA going blue is nuts to me. I've harshed on Stacey Abrams before because I didn't get the hype given her loss, but the work she's done getting Democrats registered and engaged is unimpeachable. Even if it stays red by a slim margin, GA is now firmly in play. Which is pretty damned huge.

[Felya]

I can see it now. "For only the cost of a cup of coffee at McDonalds, you too can help Trump fight this terrible outcome." with sad music in the background.

Here is the song that will play in background, instead of Sarah MacLachlen...

[Adhominem]

Ah, ok!

Anyone else found the videoclip of someone burning Trumpvotes? Trump voters were quick to spam the video on Twitter and cry foul, without checking the name of the videomaker - who said 'f*ck Trump'. But when you look up his insta, you see that he supports Trump.

Confirmation bias aside, it's daunting to see people being so blinded by faith. Sure, having a strong conviction is fine, but at the cost of objectivity? Or is objectivity merely a luxury? Especially if you can't afford it. And why do I have the feeling that far right-winged succumb to this fallacy more? Disclaimer: Merely a fairly objective observation, I don't have any numbers to back this up.

Also, is it wrong to assume that far right believers are, in general, less intelligent in both IQ and EQ sense? Don't want to upset far-right people. Just posing something that crossed my mind.

[kaid]

GA going blue is nuts to me. I've harshed on Stacey Abrams before because I didn't get the hype given her loss, but the work she's done getting Democrats registered and engaged is unimpeachable. Even if it stays red by a slim margin, GA is now firmly in play. Which is pretty damned huge.

Yup I had her kinda pegged in the beto category but she clearly took her loss organized and then hiked the state onto her shoulder and carried it to the finish line. I am not sure what position joe can her that she would want but she deserves some major accolades.

[Bodakane]

What if.....and hear me out......what if Trump and the GOP pushing voter & election fraud....is a GREAT thing.

Since none of it is true, all it is going to do is potentially disenfranchise the MAGAs from participating in the process in the future.

It is very possible, in the end, by trump being the petulant fuckstain he always was, he will inadvertently remove his followers from the process and....make America great again.

[kaelleria]

GA going blue is nuts to me. I've harshed on Stacey Abrams before because I didn't get the hype given her loss, but the work she's done getting Democrats registered and engaged is unimpeachable. Even if it stays red by a slim margin, GA is now firmly in play. Which is pretty damned huge.

She laid out a plan 6 years ago to flip Georgia. It nearly worked in 2018 and would have if not for voter suppression.

There were still around 250k disenfranchised black Georgians that were unable to vote this year and they still did it.

[Zan15]

This three dimensional population map also gives you a good idea of how the country is split up. Most of the USA (where the red is) is vast open nothingness with a couple of people living on every few hundred acres.



If you want to hear a (not so) funny story, we have legitimately had Republicans come in here, look at those red/blue county maps, and say without a hint of irony that the US should go back to land owners being the only ones allowed to vote.

So Bezos could just get angry and buy up 22% of the land mass in the US and basically be a one man voting machine

:P

$33,000 49,299.441 Acres
LOT 2 W Latoka Ln SW, Alexandria, MN 56308

$.67 an acre.


Granted that is cheap but lets look at reality

The United States pasture value averaged $1,400 per acre, up $30 (2.2 percent) from 2018.
The United States farm real estate value, a measurement of the value of all land and buildings on farms, averaged $3,160 per acre for 2019

2.27 billion acres of land in the United States.
The federal government owns roughly 640 million acres
State and fed combined 786 million ish.

Because of separation of church and state you have to discount another 100-200 million ish acers for all non profits.

So we are left with 1.4 billion acers.

So even if you double the open land price to 2,500 it would take 3.5 trillion to buy it all up. Now that is unrealistic since no one is going to sell it all especially at that price.

But wait you don't have 100% participation in elections. 60%?

So then basic math would mean you'd have to discount 40% of the land. Of course you could have families that had one voted, so lets say another 20% off the top

Now you are down to 1 billion acers

But a few billionaires or families could get together and own a good % of the land to basically swing every presidential election going forward.

they only need say 2-5% to swing the last couple elections their way. So 50,000,000 acers @ 2500 = 125 billion. Low end 50 billion

hmmmm.

Don't even get me into the fact of how much land is owed by entities that can't vote, corporations.

If you factor that in you could basically drop another 20% and lower that # to 25-75 billion to effectivly be the guy who decides the election.


LOL LAND MASS > POPULATION GG.

[xmirrors]

GA going blue is nuts to me. I've harshed on Stacey Abrams before because I didn't get the hype given her loss, but the work she's done getting Democrats registered and engaged is unimpeachable. Even if it stays red by a slim margin, GA is now firmly in play. Which is pretty damned huge.

It was an overwhelming feeling to know that my vote counted so much. I've always voted, but this is the first time I've felt really, really, really, really good about it.

[Endus]

I'm not talking about votes. Look at how narrow the counts are everywhere except maybe die hard Democrat territories like cities.

I mean, it's a pretty poor result if you are running against someone like Trump, and are not able to convince a large portion of the people about how shitty he is. I saw parts of the Obama speach in Georgia a few days ago. He just stood there, smug, praising Biden, condemning Trump. I don't thinks that's how you flip someone away from Trump.

Imagine you were a salesman for BMW and were to flip a die hard Audi fan and all you were saying would be: well AUDI is shit, and everyone who buys it is stupid. Wanna buy a BMW?

Yeah, this argument is a steaming pile of garbage.

You're trying to argue that Trump voters were somehow forced, by the Democrats, to vote for Trump. That they are not thinking beings who can make their own choices. That they cannot be blamed for making the choices that they do.

And that's all wrong. They weren't turned off by the Democrats. They saw the Democratic platform put up against a non-platform of rampant dishonesty, fearmongering, bigotry, and abusive vindictiveness. And they preferred the latter. That's on their personal lack of character, not on the Democrats and their platform or candidates.

They weren't open to being "convinced". They had closed their minds to that possibility before the campaigning ever began. You can't make someone change their mind; they have to be open to doing so. And Trump supporters, simply, are not.

We'll blame Trump supporters for voting for Trump, thanks. Because blaming Democrats for not being racist and fascist enough to appeal to those racists and fascists is . . . not a fucking argument.

[Felya]

Also, is it wrong to assume that far right believers are, in general, less intelligent in both IQ and EQ sense? Don't want to upset far-right people. Just posing something that crossed my mind.

IQ is bullshit, regardless...

They seem less intelligent, because they think differently... it doesn’t actually mean they are less intelligent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...al_orientation

[For_The_Horde]

Here is the song that will play in background, instead of Sarah MacLachlen...

Nah, gotta be this.

[Edge-]

It was an overwhelming feeling to know that my vote counted so much. I've always voted, but this is the first time I've felt really, really, really, really good about it.

One day I'll understand that felling on a national level (I'm here in CA where that shit don't matter), but it's a good feeling at least when there's a state race/measure that's close and my vote contributed towards it winning/losing.

Thanks for gettin out there and helping (likely) flip GA!