Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[JohnBrown1917]

Another progressive major group endorsed Biden today: 2020.indivisible.org.

We’re proud to announce that we’re endorsing
@Joebiden
for President. American Democracy cannot survive another Trump term, but this isn’t just about beating him. It’s about paving the way for a new vision for the future. Join us: http://2020.indivisible.org

Another fake progressive group*

[breadisfunny]

Yeah... True lefties (like, actual socialists, Red and black blocs and actual communists) know that even if revolution is not possible, incremental upgrades in QOL for the working class is an actual good thing.

except biden isn't even a incremental approach. he's just going back to the status quo. that's it.add to that the fact that u.s. politics tend to shift between republicans and democrats every 4-8 years and. at this rate the u.s. may have ACTUAL healthcare in about......300 yrs.yeah no thanks.

[Edge-]

Another fake progressive group*

How many "real" progressive groups still exist?

I mean, Justice Democrats just started their own PAC so I guess they're out now, too?

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/for...30665/1403994/

[breadisfunny]

I mean, if the election have a significant number of people like you (ie: political arsonists) then yes. That will happen. If the voters act like the adults they are, then no, Biden should trounce the dotard.

vote shaming and name calling to get people to vote for your candidate.....always a good sign.

[Machismo]

vote shaming and name calling to get people to vote for your candidate.....always a good sign.

Isn't that literally what you and the other anti-Biden people have been doing from the beginning?

[Paranoid Android]

Finally a hard hitting ad by the kitty-cat Dems.





Oh what? It is made by The Lincoln Project a group of anti-Trump conservatives. Oh well the Dems even need the Republicans to do their work.

[Edge-]

This one was specifically created to "fight Trump" in 2016.

I don't think they care about much or about any progressive values at all when their goal is so single-minded. Probably just another front group to white wash corrupt Democratic Party money.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...king-congress/

Sure, yeah, that's literally all. They had nothing to do with helping support candidates in the 2018 Blue Wave, including progressive candidates, and work closely with the CPC.

The problem, it appears, for you and your fellow "progressives" seems to be that Indivisible understands how to compromise to achieve common goals and get shit done, rather than burn everything to the ground because they don't get their way. And the difference between them and say, the Justice Democrats (who I guess we must hate now since they have a PAC) is that unlike the Justice Democrats, Indivisible can get shit done.

[breadisfunny]

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/for...30665/1403994/

Looks like the Justice Democrats are slowly learning how to play the game, and "giving up their morals" in the process.

They're forming a PAC.

like every other political group.....what exactly is different about this one?

[Edge-]

Oh what? It is made by The Lincoln Project a group of anti-Trump conservatives. Oh well the Dems even need the Republicans to do their work.

They do. Badly. Democrats suck at campaigning, especially negative/hard hitting campaigning, and they really need the boost from the conservative Never-Trump pollsters and politico's who know how to win elections and dish out brutal attack ads.

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like every other political group.....what exactly is different about this one?

To me? Nothing, really. Though I'm curious about the opinion of our resident "never compromise for any reason ever" progressives, as PAC's are distinctly out of favor with this group and indicative of being part of "the establishment".

[cubby]

They do. Badly. Democrats suck at campaigning, especially negative/hard hitting campaigning, and they really need the boost from the conservative Never-Trump pollsters and politico's who know how to win elections and dish out brutal attack ads.

That one that Trump tried to quash was from the same conservative group, wasn't it? The coronavirus one.

[JohnBrown1917]

All we have to do is do the same thing Republicans are doing: not give two fucks.

ALL the Trump kids are profiting massively off their father being President. And Republicans don't give two flying fucks. That's their answer, to just stuff their fingers in their ears. No matter how much we screech about Trump's kids, they just got LALALALALALAL!!!! As much as it horrifyingly sucks to have to do so, we need to do exactly the same when Republicans bring up Hunter.

The rules for this election are the same rules this board has: DONT FEED THE TROLLS.

Nah, fuck both the Trump kids and Hunter.

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How many "real" progressive groups still exist?

I mean, Justice Democrats just started their own PAC so I guess they're out now, too?

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/for...30665/1403994/

Anybody who endorses Biden is, yes.
If you don't care about rape victims or the victims of US war crimes, it just shows what side you're truly on.

[AntiFascistVoter]

That one that Trump tried to quash was from the same conservative group, wasn't it? The coronavirus one.

That was Priorities USA.

Can you name a good Trump ad that stuck out?
Can you name a good Bernie ad that stuck out?

The whole "Dems are bad at messaging" is just Beltway Punditry that is 40 years old. The same pundits that made a mountain of emails.

[Theodarzna]

Finally a hard hitting ad by the kitty-cat Dems.
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Oh what? It is made by The Lincoln Project a group of anti-Trump conservatives. Oh well the Dems even need the Republicans to do their work.

Nah, Jilted Free Traders and Free Marketeers have a nice home in the Democratic Party.

[JohnBrown1917]

This one was specifically created to "fight Trump" in 2016.

I don't think they care about much or about any progressive values at all when their goal is so single-minded. Probably just another front group to white wash corrupt Democratic Party money.

They'd be more believable as an anti-fascist or GoP organization. But only fighting the symptom and not the disease...

[Edge-]

Anybody who endorses Biden is, yes.
If you don't care about rape victims or the victims of US war crimes, it just shows what side you're truly on.

Shit, I guess Sanders pulled a fast one on all of you then. What a fucking sneaky authoritarian he is, and no wonder he used to write about rape!

[JohnBrown1917]

That was Priorities USA.

Can you name a good Trump ad that stuck out?
Can you name a good Bernie ad that stuck out?

The whole "Dems are bad at messaging" is just Beltway Punditry that is 40 years old. The same pundits that made a mountain of emails.

Plenty to his voting base.
And yeah, the dems are terrible at messaging towards the lower classes and anybody who is not right-wing. Not that you would understand, with still using anarchist/socialist symbolism in your avatar while spouting right-wing talking points and all.,

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Shit, I guess Sanders pulled a fast one on all of you then. What a fucking sneaky authoritarian he is, and no wonder he used to write about rape!

Yeah, fuck Sanders for doing that. And we where not talking about authoritarianism, what butthole did you pull that from?

[Theodarzna]

They'd be more believable as an anti-fascist or GoP organization. But only fighting the symptom and not the disease...

At a time like this I do wish Antifa groups were out harassing landlords; that and management at Amazon warehouses. I think now if anything is a good time for Antifa to really take the initiative.

[PACOX]

This is why, as a Sanders supporter that spent months advocating for a Progressive candidate, this election is not about the next four years. Sanders didn't win...so...Medicare for All? Tackling concentrated corporate power? That other progressive stuff that Bernie stands for? Yeah, not going to happen within the next four years. It sucks. And I think the country will be worse off for it. But there is one candidate in 2020 that could make real Progressive systemic change practically impossible within our lifetimes. The other, while he won't do it himself, won't be nearly so hostile to it. Every time McConnell confirms one of "Trump's" judicial picks (as though he picks them himself lol), just imagine that it adds another four months until Medicare for All becomes possible. Or until Citizens United can be overturned. The next four years for Progressives don't matter in terms of achieving policy goals within that time span- but they absolutely do matter in terms of actually achieving them in the future. Biden might be crap. But Trump will destroy the federal governmental structures and the chance for a decent future in the way that Biden won't. And Biden won't veto the voting rights or campaign finance or minimum wage or other "step in the right direction" bills that Trump would if given the chance. Don't think about the next four years; think about the next twenty. Or more. Sure, Biden won't bring the broad systemic change that is needed, but if we can get anything in terms of (for example) voting rights, worker's rights, or campaign finance, that only makes a Progressive future more possible, even if the next four years won't be much to write home about.

That said, there are reasons to think about the next four years. I don't consider this election "Trump versus Biden," but rather "Trump's maladministration of cronies, corruption, and incompetence" versus "Biden's administration of reasonably competent governance and unfortunately probably also some Wall Street goons." People are policy, and chances are that Biden can be pressured to put some reasonably Progressive people in his cabinet, and throughout his administration. Biden won't have an EPA director that denies climate science. He won't nominate a Labor Secretary that opposes the concept of a minimum wage and can't wait to replace his employees with robots. Or a batshit crazy neurosurgeon for HUD. His people will be materially better for the American people than Trump's cabinet, most of whom are corrupt and/or utterly opposed to the very mission of their agency. The "moral argument" for Biden has Jack. Fucking. Shit. To do with Biden himself, and everything to do with the ways that his administration wouldn't actively screw the American people and undercut science, the federal government, and democracy, and may occasionally actually help people.

Also: remember why Trump is president. Mitch McConnell held a SCOTUS seat open and a bunch of Conservatives held their nose and voted for a narcissistic immoral moron because he would appoint a conservative judge. And be hostile to immigrants. The right wing threw away their values: that doesn't mean we have to, but we do have to win. Hold your nose, vote for (ugh) Joe Biden, and then hold him to a higher standard than Trump supporters hold Trump. And if you don't like Biden the man, keep in mind all of the real people that aren't going to be thrown off of SNAP or Medicaid, or the people that won't die during a pandemic because Biden will pay more attention to the experts, the immigrant children that won't be separated from their parents, the people that won't lose their voting rights, or the workers that will have an easier time unionizing, etc. etc. etc.

And keep in mind that since Trump has done absolutely nothing to expand his base of support, his only play in 2020 is to depress Democratic turnout. Yeah, Biden sucks. The Democratic Establishment isn't great either. But they- even if for cynical reasons- support expanding voting rights. And reducing money in politics. And other reforms that will actually lead to a better future, even if that future isn't in the next four years. The way Trump wins again is by convincing people like me and you not to vote.

This is one of the better posts in this discussion.

Some other people who are fully in on Biden are going out of their way to see 2016 repeat itself.

[cubby]

This is one of the better posts in this discussion.

Some other people who are fully in on Biden are going out of their way to see 2016 repeat itself.

I'm glad you're finally on board to vote for Biden in November.

[Felya]

This is one of the better posts in this discussion.

Some other people who are fully in on Biden are going out of their way to see 2016 repeat itself.

This is what people, my self included, have been telling you for 2 weeks.