1. #31021
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    They need to drop 1/3 of the party (progressives) in favor of trying to court "moderate Republicans", after Trump went from 90% of Republicans voting for him in 2016, to 93% of Republicans voting for him in 2020? Especially right after a bunch of progressive policies passed in red states like legal weed and minimum wage raises.

    Yeah seems like a winning strategy, go for it.
    I don’t know where you’re getting your stats. I can’t find any for this year since not all ballots have been counted. I do however doubt it’s 93% since many Republicans crossed over just to oust Trump.

  2. #31022
    Looks like we're gonna have a full Goldwater/Nixon 2.0 scenario when a bunch of GOP senators are gonna have to walk to the WH and tell the president it's over. looks likely later this week if Trump keeps this up. Unlike Nixon though Trump is completely insane due to his narcissistic personality disorder and doesn't live in reality, so it's not gonna work.

  3. #31023
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Yes. If Democrats want to win more they need to go back to being moderate and drop socialists like Tlaid and AOC who are both part of DSA.
    You know, I think the only thing more obnoxious than a Very Online socialist is a fervent Trump supporter trying to suggest how Democrats should run their party. You're both running a close race, though.

  4. #31024
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Why do you think I'm in favor of inviting them to the table? Lincoln Project is a bunch of grifters who accomplished what they set out to do - raise money to rebuild their party. Kasich is wholly incompatible with our party.

    The DSA can do whatever the fuck it wants as long as its quiet, but its not the blue print for winning elections nationwide.

    Reps and Senators need to run races that make sense for their district and state and not get attached to the divisive rhetoric that has been attached to DSA/Justice Dems/etc... candidates.

    Lurching to the fringe left is not the answer and neither is moving right. Fixing our goddamned messaging is the answer.
    This. You have to do something to make Cuban and Venezuelan (and to a lesser extent, Mexican) Latinos feel less threatened to the big commie guy. Even if it's totally false.

    But also, you need to do something to deprogram the sexism in said groups. It's massive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    Him pardoning himself for federal crimes isn't going to matter. We're already ass deep into the moronic "Lets come together and heal" messaging from Biden. Trump will never face any justice from the feds.

    New York state, on the other hand? They're ready to hand trump his ass. They don't give a fuck about Biden's dumb "lets make peace with insane Q-anons" thing.

    Not to mention his debt collectors, his taxes, and the rape case he's in the middle of where he's been refusing to give the court his DNA.

    Something is going to stick, and he'll be fucked. Luckily we don't need naive Biden to do it.
    1) Biden has said nothing of pardoning Trump. In fact if I recall correctly he said he had no interest in doing so

    2) I doubt Biden was referring to "letting them off the hook" when talking about bringing the nation together, and on that note

    3) "Bring the nation together" IS a good sentiment for the president to say to the American people. What, was he supposed to say "thanks everyone who voted for me, but all of you who voted against me you better watch your asses because the big swinging D of the Democratic party is about to wreck your shit" instead?
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    Words to live by.

  6. #31026
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump needs all of them. Remember, Biden was at 253 until recently. NV, PA, AZ and possibly GA are all looking to go against him.

    He needs to block every single state on that list, maybe not NV I guess, to stop the legal, honest election from declaring Biden the winner. He cannot allow Arizona to come to their honest, legal conclusion.

    And that is why Arizona. Trump's about to wipe, so he's blowing all his cooldowns.
    He's on track to losing GA. Arizona would not matter in that case.
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  7. #31027
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Today we celebrate.
    Fuck it, tomorrow we celebrate some more.
    Monday we focus on winning Georgia's senate run offs.
    That's exactly how i feel. We take this moment of victory and celebration and enjoy it for what it is, than in a day or two we get back to the fight.

  8. #31028
    Oh man... these all caps tweets from Trump. I'm going to have to turn my volume down to read these.

  9. #31029
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    He's on track to losing GA. Arizona would not matter in that case.
    I'm still confident Biden is going to win AZ by at least 10k votes.

  10. #31030
    Quote Originally Posted by dextersmith View Post
    Pardoning himself would be the prime example of conflict of interest and abusing your position of power for personal gain. I don't see how that wouldn't cause revolt. Though it would be great if he relinquished his power to Pence, who would then hang him out to dry as Trump's no longer useful.
    Well, if Pence is complicit, could see Trump pardon Pence, then resign and watch Pence return the favor. Would be dirty as all hell but they could attempt it and see how that plays. But I don't see how Pence could be that close and NOT be complicit in the stuff.

    Off topic, you should change your name to "Shirou Emiya"
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    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  11. #31031
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I'm still confident Biden is going to win AZ by at least 10k votes.
    Last big batch was like... 10 hours ago or so lol

    But yea, i hope u're right. Also, if i remember correctly, there are some votes left from blue counties (a few 10s of thousands) and there are not that many votes left from Maricopa county (less than reported... i believe, correct me if i'm wrong).
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  12. #31032
    And now the blame game behind the scenes is brewing. A senior Trump campaign official is blaming the President’s son in law for commandeering the legal strategy unsuccessfully, telling @NicoleSganga
    , “Jared Kushner f***** it up.”

  13. #31033
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    I don’t know where you’re getting your stats. I can’t find any for this year since not all ballots have been counted. I do however doubt it’s 93% since many Republicans crossed over just to oust Trump.
    Which Republicans would that be? Trump got 63 million votes in 2016 and even more than 70 million votes in 2020.

  14. #31034
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Last big batch was like... 10 hours ago or so lol

    But yea, i hope u're right. Also, if i remember correctly, there are some votes left from blue counties (a few 10s of thousands) and there are not that many votes left from Maricopa county (less than reported... i believe, correct me if i'm wrong).
    Here are the remaining ballots.
    https://twitter.com/melroseee/status...71987224821762

  15. #31035
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Last big batch was like... 10 hours ago or so lol

    But yea, i hope u're right. Also, if i remember correctly, there are some votes left from blue counties (a few 10s of thousands) and there are not that many votes left from Maricopa county (less than reported... i believe, correct me if i'm wrong).
    I think there is one more big patch tonight from maricopa. If its about the same I think it was like 38k trump vs. 31k biden last time. Then its nothing smaller blue counties I believe.

  16. #31036
    Measures that Biden can implement without Congress.

    Rejoin the Paris accord.

    Reverse every single one of Trump's 186 EOs.

    Reverse the Fed hiring freeze.

    Rebuild the devastated Fed government bureaucracy.

    As far as ACA is concerned here is a non-exhaustive list.

    Extend the open enrollment period back to 90 days;
    Undo many other changes in the “market stabilization” rule;
    Revise the premium adjustment percentage methodology;
    Roll back prior guidance on Section 1332 waivers;
    Eliminate the “double billing” rule for abortion services;
    Revise rules on Section 1557 and provider conscience protections;
    Address broad exemptions to the contraceptive mandate;
    Curb state options for selecting a new essential health benefits package;
    Promote access to nonprofit navigators; and
    Curb proliferation of short-term plans, and limit the sale or deceptive marketing practices of other limited benefit plans.

    Stop issuing drilling leases on Federal land.

    Tighten flaring regulations which is supported by every single oil majors. A bunch of small to medium oil companies will probably cry crocodile tears. Screw them.

    Tighten permitting and review process for new drilling, pipeline and petrochemical projects.

    Outright ban on all new offshore drilling programs in Federal water. However, exclude offshore wind farms.

    Congress never stopped funding low-interest loans for renewable energy. However, DoE under Trump's administration has been slow-walking loan issuance. Time to accelerate those.

    Cancel student loans for those that met PSLF requirement. Or just cancel Federally funded loans outright.

    Strengthen worker's right. Not sure that he can increase Fed's minimum wage without Congress.

    Cut emission and increase mileage. Easiest way is to let California implement it's EV, emission and mileage policy, and expand it's Cap and Trade program. Where California goes the rest of the country will follow.

    Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passingthrew View Post
    And now the blame game behind the scenes is brewing. A senior Trump campaign official is blaming the President’s son in law for commandeering the legal strategy unsuccessfully, telling @NicoleSganga
    , “Jared Kushner f***** it up.”
    Well I mean they're not wrong that Kushner was a terrible choice, but... so was every other person on Trump's campaign, including Trump, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  18. #31038
    Quote Originally Posted by passingthrew View Post
    I think there is one more big patch tonight from maricopa. If its about the same I think it was like 38k trump vs. 31k biden last time. Then its nothing smaller blue counties I believe.
    kk, thanks!

    EDIT: Last batch was one that left biden with +2k votes lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Putin had just made himself able to be president of russia for life back in June, no way he'd just agree to bow out in under a year of that
    No but he can put his puppet in charge for life, which effectively puts him in charge for life without the spotlight on him.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

  20. #31040
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Well I mean they're not wrong that Kushner was a terrible choice, but... so was every other person on Trump's campaign, including Trump, so...
    Yep. Its every man/women for themselves at this point.

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