Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[AntiFascistVoter]

Thanks for standing up for LGBT folk Joe.


The US’s biggest transgender activist group just endorsed Joe Biden for president: ‘He’s the advocate we need’
Keisling said Biden has a strong track record of “getting big ideas done” from his time as vice president serving under Barack Obama.
“Over the years he has consistently made clear that ‘Transgender equality is the civil rights issue of our time,'” Keisling added.
“With Joe Biden, we know we will be engaged, we will be seen, and we will not be erased.”
The organisation praised Biden for his strong support for transgender rights in the NCTE Action Fund’s Transform the White House candidate series.

HRC is proud to endorse Joe Biden for President.
On May 6, 2012, Vice President Joe Biden declared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he supported the legalization of same-sex marriage – getting out ahead of his boss, Barack Obama, on one of the most volatile political issues of the day.

The largest national LGBTQ rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign, told The Associated Press that it will be formally endorsing Biden for president on Wednesday, the eighth anniversary of that event.

[Thepersona]

Thanks for standing up for LGBT folk Joe.


The US’s biggest transgender activist group just endorsed Joe Biden for president: ‘He’s the advocate we need’
Keisling said Biden has a strong track record of “getting big ideas done” from his time as vice president serving under Barack Obama.
“Over the years he has consistently made clear that ‘Transgender equality is the civil rights issue of our time,'” Keisling added.
“With Joe Biden, we know we will be engaged, we will be seen, and we will not be erased.”
The organisation praised Biden for his strong support for transgender rights in the NCTE Action Fund’s Transform the White House candidate series.

HRC is proud to endorse Joe Biden for President.
On May 6, 2012, Vice President Joe Biden declared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he supported the legalization of same-sex marriage – getting out ahead of his boss, Barack Obama, on one of the most volatile political issues of the day.

The largest national LGBTQ rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign, told The Associated Press that it will be formally endorsing Biden for president on Wednesday, the eighth anniversary of that event.

He was always pro LGBT and pro choice, AFAIK... or i'm misremembering.

and please Joe, bring the AMTRAK shenanigans!

[Theodarzna]

Did...that even need to be said? I thought that it was such a painfully obvious fact that we didn't need to confirm this.

I don't think anyone is promising or alluding to this in the slightest in this thread. Nobody is arguing that Biden is going to deliver socialism, at least not on the left. The only ones making that argument are...*checks notes* ah yes, Republicans and conservatives.

And nobody is arguing for lawmaking or rule by judicial fiat, either.

What judges are being promised? None, currently. We've been over this Theo, and I feel like we've been over this a LOT recently so I'm not sure why you're still going on about it.

The "but the judges" is more to say, "Hey, see what's been happening the past 3 years? McConnell packing the courts with activist conservative judges? Holding open SCOTUS seats and others under Obama in the hopes that they could reshape the judiciary in a hard conservative lane? Let's maybe stop that." because I don't know about you, but the possibility of Roe being overturned and even more pro-corporate, anti-consumer, anti-worker, anti-environment rulings doesn't sound too hot to me.

Do we know who Biden will nominate? Nope. Do we have a fair idea of the kinds of judges he'll nominate? Yeah. They won't be activist conservative judges, and while they may be more "centrist" if you have to peg an ideology to them and may be more friendly to corporations than many of us would like, I'm infinitely less concerned with his potential picks than I am with the names that the Heritage Foundation and Federalist society will continue to put forth.

Let me see if I can parse your meaning here, basically surrender what you value for an ideology that isn't what you wanted and indeed there is no promise these judges will deliver anything, but its still worth basically betraying what you believe in and want for. Because in the end, I am unconvinced Neo-Liberalism is an ideology I want on the supreme court either. So your offer is to at least imply "Well don't you want this more than that?" But the issue is, ehhhh, not really. Socially and Culturally I'm more conservative anyway. So basically your appeal is "Sure you will get free marketeers and none of the things you could want and they will be hostile to your economic values, but they will make sure you can get an abortion in every state in the USA no problem." Which requires me to privilege abortion and such above all else. Also after advocating for the TPP/TTIP, and NAFTA and tapped Larry Summers to the Treasury (Obama) and has him as an economic advisor (Biden), the idea that the Democrats are a Pro-Worker party is flat out hilarious. You can't annihilate Sanders, and tap Larry Summers and claim to be a Workers Rights party. But before we parse everything, can we acknowledge that your basic point is contingent on me believing, despite all evidence, that your position is just a moderate form of what I want done. So essentially your appeal is "No policy, no judges that can use judicial voodoo to enact those policies, and be sated by cultural liberalism that you don't even believe in", in my case that appeal won't work.

[Omega10]

Yeah. If comey maintained his mouth shut, or if he said that announcement a month before, we'd had a clinton presidency, and thousands of americans would be alive this day.

I never thought of it that way, but yeah. That is true.

[Felya]

I never thought of it that way, but yeah. That is true.

The best part is that Trump fired Comey over mistreatment of Hillary... or so he claimed.

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Let me see if I can parse your meaning here, basically surrender what you value for an ideology that isn't what you wanted and indeed there is no promise these judges will deliver anything, but its still worth basically betraying what you believe in and want for.

After being called out for projecting, this is how you start?

the idea that the Democrats are a Pro-Worker party is flat out hilarious.

Yo boy Trump, just called for protecting corporations from employees. Your fake concern is hilarious... You are demanding a vote, that would cause American workers lose a shit ton of workers rights, while bitching about democrats? Fake... fake... fake... fake...

Tulsi Gabbard is so far the only running Democrat worth considering. I do love how some of the MSM is presenting Kamala Harris as another "History in the making" candidate while ignoring that Tulsi is equally not-white but never mention that for her.

Enjoy the receipts:

Tulsi Gabbard ends presidential run, endorses Biden
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...biden-n1163851

It’s just pure division... put Harris against Gabbert... that didn’t work out? We switch to Bernie vs Biden... am I right? Did I figure out the pattern?

[Edge-]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...e-primary-vote

So NY's primary is back on because Yang and some other sued to get the NY primary back on after it was canceled.

I can't necessarily argue against the ruling on it, which was that they must happen, as the law is pretty clear on the matter.

But man, Yang and Sanders leaving their names on the ballots despite ending their campaigns sure seems kinda scummy in hindsight.

“We’re glad Judge Torres has restored basic democracy in New York,” Sanders’s Campaign Manager Faiz Shakir said in a statement. “People in every state should have the right to express their preference in the 2020 Democratic primary. We have confidence that New York can hold elections in June in a safe manner that preserves New Yorkers’ right to vote.”

Cool, so I guess Sanders former campaign manager (or does he still have a job?) is pretty down to ask folks to go out and risk their health to vote if it means Sanders gets a few more delegates. Sorry y'all, there must be some sacrifices for the revolution.

Because guess what? New York can't move to a mail in primary and has strict rules on who can vote by mail because...the law! The same law (not the literal law, but the theory of law) that is requiring that NY hold primaries as they cannot cancel them.

[Masark]

So NY's primary is back on because Yang and some other sued to get the NY primary back on after it was canceled.

Even if the presidential candidate is decided, there are other offices that need candidates decided, so primary elections are needed anyway.

Particularly, the reps for NY's 2nd and 15th congressional districts are retiring and the rep for the 27th resigned last year. And that's not considering any intra-party challengers who want to be the next AOC.

[beanman12345]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...e-primary-vote

So NY's primary is back on because Yang and some other sued to get the NY primary back on after it was canceled.

I can't necessarily argue against the ruling on it, which was that they must happen, as the law is pretty clear on the matter.

But man, Yang and Sanders leaving their names on the ballots despite ending their campaigns sure seems kinda scummy in hindsight.



Cool, so I guess Sanders former campaign manager (or does he still have a job?) is pretty down to ask folks to go out and risk their health to vote if it means Sanders gets a few more delegates. Sorry y'all, there must be some sacrifices for the revolution.

Because guess what? New York can't move to a mail in primary and has strict rules on who can vote by mail because...the law! The same law (not the literal law, but the theory of law) that is requiring that NY hold primaries as they cannot cancel them.

I sort of understand your sentiment, but them being on the ticket isn't so much for their gain, but for down ticket gain, to keep enthusiasm for people to come out to vote to actually come out and vote. And not just on the democrat side but the republican side. Last thing I want is someone like Laura Loomer to squeek on by because of low turnout. This is her last chance at relevance, and the quicker her and her ilk is off this ballot, the quicker she falls off the face of he planet, because after this primary, if she loses, she's done. Will be so happy if that happens. If i lived in NY and could, i'd take a republican ballot just to vote against her in the primary.

[Zaktar]

It depends. She was a favorite, until Comey wrote that letter.

First, you're talking about something that happened very late in the process, compared to where we are now in this election. Second, it still caught most oddsmakers off guard that Trump won. Just saying that there aren't reliable ways to predict the future. Polls generally give us a good picture of what is likely, so long as we pay attention to margin for error.

Edit: on this same subject, it makes me wonder what kind of surprise team Trump will try to push out of their justice department at the same time. He isn't very disciplined so it's hard to see him holding onto a card that late, but he's also reckless and unscrupulous so it wouldn't be surprising to see him pull something out of his hat in October.

[Zaktar]

I had a lot of money on Trump to win. The polls were on a razor edge in the first place, and it was clear you had at least 2-3% of the population that weren't talking to pollsters, or any authority figures, because they belonged to the Alex Jones crowd, but were definitely going to vote Trump. Exactly the same thing happened with Brexit and several European elections.

It was incredibly obvious, I don't know why people keep blathering on about that election like it was some kind of amazing surprise. Maybe if you are one of those very insular Americans who can't past their own borders, but not to the intelligent. It is extremely likely the same thing will happen this time.

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That's why he voted against gays in the military.

You talk about it as if it were a foregone conclusion, yet the election was determined by a veritable handful of votes. At the time I was pretty sure Trump would win as well, and was basically right for the wrong reasons - wouldn't have guessed how thoroughly he would be trounced in the admittedly irrelevant popular vote.

Looking at the electoral map and state of polling right now, a lot of things would have to go wrong for Biden to lose this. Depending on your margin of error as things stand Biden needs between 22 and 46 tossup electoral votes, and more than enough tossup states lean blue. Not to say it's a lock, it's never a lock, but subtracting desire from the calculation, I would put my money on Blue right now if that kind of gambling interested me. Though it is disappointing and irksome, Biden was the most viable candidate for beating Trump this year. The battle of the grandpas is on.

Oh and people change. It's the most we can ask for, no one is born or dies perfect.

[Lenonis]

He was always pro LGBT

To be fair almost no politician of his age/tenure was always pro LGBT, but he certainly has been for a while and was part of an administration that saw some of the largest gains in LGBT rights. No one is going to be able to get him on this one but you'll see some people try really hard by bringing up his position 20 years ago.

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Except for that whole DOMA thing.. Not really Pro-lgbtq.

Actually DOMA was the pro-LGBT move at the time as the alternative was going to be much much worse. At this time there was no real "pro LGBT" option on the table with the way the political winds were blowing. But don't let context stop you from your narrative!

[JohnBrown1917]

He was always pro LGBT and pro choice, AFAIK... or i'm misremembering.

and please Joe, bring the AMTRAK shenanigans!

You're confusing him with Bernie.

[Machismo]

You're confusing him with Bernie.

As has been pointed out by another poster, Bernie is a Biden supporter.

[JohnBrown1917]

Actually DOMA was the pro-LGBT move at the time as the alternative was going to be much much worse. At this time there was no real "pro LGBT" option on the table with the way the political winds were blowing. But don't let context stop you from your narrative!

Is that the spin the right is pushing on this now? Supporting rapists was not enough, I suppose.

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As has been pointed out by another poster, Bernie is a Biden supporter.

Ye, and? Bernie being a dickhead was not my point.

[Machismo]

Is that the spin the right is pushing on this now? Supporting rapists was not enough, I suppose.

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Ye, and? Bernie being a dickhead was not my point.

Man, you foreigners hate all America politicians, don't you? It's a good thing you don't have to vote for any of them (and cannot).

[JohnBrown1917]

Man, you foreigners hate all America politicians, don't you? It's a good thing you don't have to vote for any of them (and cannot).

Yeah, as it turns out the US has a big effect on the world with its foreign policy, who knew!


And you're not going to vote for either of them too, so what is your deal anyway?

[AntiFascistVoter]

Enjoy the receipts:

Tulsi Gabbard ends presidential run, endorses Biden
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...biden-n1163851

It’s just pure division... put Harris against Gabbert... that didn’t work out? We switch to Bernie vs Biden... am I right? Did I figure out the pattern?

The most obvious unmasking since Pence at the Mayo clinic

[Machismo]

Yeah, as it turns out the US has a big effect on the world with its foreign policy, who knew!


And you're not going to vote for either of them too, so what is your deal anyway?

I hate to break it to you, but most countries don't like communism... so you are going to have a rough go of things.

I clearly have a much higher opinion of Bernie than you do., It's sad that you think he's a right-wing dickhead.

[JohnBrown1917]

I'm still not sure what certain politicians endorsing Biden has to do with the criticism against him now meaning nothing?


Then again, we got right wing liberals in this thread using far left symbolism in their avatars without a hint of irony, so I doubt ill ever understand it.

[Machismo]

I'm still not sure what certain politicians endorsing Biden has to do with the criticism against him now meaning nothing?


Then again, we got right wing liberals in this thread using far left symbolism in their avatars without a hint of irony, so I doubt ill ever understand it.

Except... to a communist, everyone is right wing. I think this is more a matter of perspective, and not one based on actual reality.

If you want to think Bernie is a far-right dickhead, be my guest.